If Dak has a year like last year, this will be his final year with the team

[Gator88]

Bobby carpenter loved him

Best I can give that reply is 1/10. Add literally anything relevant if you want to increase your score.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Some of them are that way, sure. Cousins is probably the most obvious one on that list. No one claims that Dak needs to be flawless against the good teams, but at his level he isn't the guy who is going to be the difference maker against good teams. When that is the case he at the minimum needs to be the guy who doesn't hurt his team consistently against the better teams. Those other QB's might not be lighting up the good teams but they are not hurting their own team.

again, that's the case for all the ones not Elite....you picked one player. the list is longer. much longer. Even the great Aaron Rodgers. a sure bet HOFer, is 41-44 record against eams with a winning record.

this doesn't mean I don't expect or want better QB play. by far. I do. but you can't measure these in a silo or against one single QB....

and yes, these other QBs are hurting their own team as well. its not just about lighting it up, otherwise they are doing nothing....

https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Some people are better at picking quarterbacks than others. some people fit a system to that quarterbacks strengths not vice versa.
Dak was a great example of this.
his rookie offense fit him to a tee and he looked like a world beater. as soon as they began putting him in the pocket flaws began to show. Now defenses have realized and amplified those flaws.
That along with limited mobility trouble ensues.

Give me a accurate, above average arm with a brain attached and he'll get you to the dance.

my response was about trading parsons to get to the top pick and pick a QB. not about system QBs... the top pick bette be good, whatever system you put them in. Baker Mayfield sucked. Turbiskey, the 2nd over all pick sucked. Burrow was good.

it is a bit of lottery. you have to get there to have a chance. 80% fail. so what do you do? trade your best player and perhaps the best defender in the league to get to the top pick. only to have a 20% chance. not sure that's a good move

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Some people are better at picking quarterbacks than others. some people fit a system to that quarterbacks strengths not vice versa.
Dak was a great example of this.
his rookie offense fit him to a tee and he looked like a world beater. as soon as they began putting him in the pocket flaws began to show. Now defenses have realized and amplified those flaws.
That along with limited mobility trouble ensues.

Give me a accurate, above average arm with a brain attached and he'll get you to the dance.

That first season I was sounding the alarm that he was benefitting from the other team's lack of knowledge about him. Eventually teams start taking things away from you and forcing you to either improve on your weak points or falter. To his credit, Dak's ceiling allows him to beat the third tier teams consistently but that's where it ends. Where Jerry and company fail is that they keep building and operating this team as if Dak's arm could carry them all the way, they should have been building and and operating more like San Fran or Kansas City (before Mahomes), don't put everything on the QB for now and keep looking for a better QB.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

again, that's the case for all the ones not Elite

No, not all the ones who are not Elite are out there consistently hurting their team with their play. At best they run neutral and hope the rest of the team can make the difference. With Dak it's play that hurts the team and has it playing behind consistently. Put it this way - there is a difference between a QB who turns the ball over in a teams own half and a QB who eats the sack and settles for a punt.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No, not all the ones who are not Elite are out there consistently hurting their team with their play. At best they run neutral and hope the rest of the team can make the difference. With Dak it's play that hurts the team and has it playing behind consistently. Put it this way - there is a difference between a QB who turns the ball over in a teams own half and a QB who eats the sack and settles for a punt.

so none of those guys hurt their team with their play, yet they lose. so what you are saying, when the other teams win, its because of their QB, but when they lose its because of other. in the case of dak when we win its because of others, but when we lose its becuse of Dak....right?

 

[jazzcat22]

No, not all the ones who are not Elite are out there consistently hurting their team with their play. At best they run neutral and hope the rest of the team can make the difference. With Dak it's play that hurts the team and has it playing behind consistently. Put it this way - there is a difference between a QB who turns the ball over in a teams own half and a QB who eats the sack and settles for a punt.

Tony Romo - That was as good as a punt.

 

[starfan1]

Best I can give that reply is 1/10. Add literally anything relevant if you want to increase your score.

Thanks for the 1. I’m a golfer lower score is better

 

[khiladi]

None of the Dak fanboys were ever saying Garrett was the problem, but they were saying Tony Romo was the problem. As Dak proceeded to suck, they suddenly became anti-Garrett, as if Garrett actually had play-calling duties when Dak was QB. That never happened. Now they like to put Romo and Garrett in the same equation.

Don't let facts get in the way of a pro-Dak narrative though.

 

[shabazz]

no lombardi's for 28 years and counting...there is deeper rooted causes.

True , but it's the current root section of which I speak

 

[noshame]

my response was about trading parsons to get to the top pick and pick a QB. not about system QBs... the top pick bette be good, whatever system you put them in. Baker Mayfield sucked. Turbiskey, the 2nd over all pick sucked. Burrow was good.

it is a bit of lottery. you have to get there to have a chance. 80% fail. so what do you do? trade your best player and perhaps the best defender in the league to get to the top pick. only to have a 20% chance. not sure that's a good move

Look if a quarterback has the three traits he needs I don't give a dog what draft pick we use for him, he's capable of getting you to a super bowl.
The best defensive player in the NFL isn't getting you anywhere and paying him will kill the rest of your defense.
You can trade him for 2 #1s and have enough draft capital to find your QB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Look if a quarterback has the three traits he needs I don't give a dog what draft pick we use for him, he's capable of getting you to a super bowl.
The best defensive player in the NFL isn't getting you anywhere and paying him will kill the rest of your defense.
You can trade him for 2 #1s and have enough draft capital to find your QB.

if you find your QB. right? its a 20% chance. he is going to get the market rate for probably the best or second best NFL defender.

imagine if we had the top pick this year. what a disaster. imagine a team with CJ Stroud and no parsons.....imagine if Ravens traded Ray Lewis.....

well, then maybe we suck so bad and end up with the top pick again!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

True , but it's the current root section of which I speak

current is being short sighted. 28 years is the key. because the current will end soon. but will the trend continue....you don't like Dak? great, insert the next name and is it going to be much of the same?

 

[charron]

There is a 95% chance Dak is extended. They are working on his extension now. They do not have the stones to let him walk and even test free agency. They have no power over Dak at seasons end, can't trade or tag him so they'll extend him now to avoid dealing with it later. The only question now is how bad of a contract do they hand out? He wants another max deal which is why he negotiated so hard last time.

 

[starfan1]

Romo's rep for turnovers in crucial moments is kind of silly for a guy that threw 2 career interceptions in 6 playoff games, one of which was a 4th and long with less than 20 seconds left and no timeouts where he had no choice but to throw to the endzone.

since were cherry picking

http://www.numericsports.com/2013/12/17/its-time-to-stop-apologizing-for-tony-romo/

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Dak will be here for the next 2 to 5 years regardless of what type of season he has. It is they way they wrote and caved on his contract.
Dak is in cruise control now. So we will see how much he really cares about winning, or just all money driven.
If he truly cares he will renegotiate and give cap relief on the $59 million hit in 2024.

I will wait and see how he rebounds this season, if they surround him with better OL protection and a few skill players. Make the defense a top 3 as well. He will need all the help he can get. He can't Carry the team, but he can be a very good navigator / bus driver. That is if calm water, no turbulence, and a well paved road with no pot holes. Whatever analogy one wants to use.

Of all the ridiculous things people say about Dak, this is by far the worst.

The idea that Dak doesn't care about winning is totally ridiculous.

 

[jazzcat22]

Of all the ridiculous things people say about Dak, this is by far the worst.

The idea that Dak doesn't care about winning is totally ridiculous.

Can’t take the truth? It is always about the money.
Of course he cares about winning, but to what degree does he take less, like Brady.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Can’t take the truth? It is always about the money.
Of course he cares about winning, but to what degree does he take less, like Brady.

Like I said, ridiculous. You said he's on cruise control, he's not and never has been. I guess Mahomes doesn't care about winning enough either? Hurts? Burrow, Herbert and Lamar when they get paid? What about Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins? By your logic, no quarterback cares about winning enough, because they all get as much as they can on their contract. The idea that money has ever influenced how hard Dak works, prepares or plays is silly.

TB12 didn't really take less, they opened an athletic training facility at Foxborough with his name on it lol. They just circumvened the cap.

 

[jazzcat22]

Like I said, ridiculous. You said he's on cruise control, he's not and never has been. I guess Mahomes doesn't care about winning enough either? Hurts? Burrow, Herbert and Lamar when they get paid? What about Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins? By your logic, no quarterback cares about winning enough, because they all get as much as they can on their contract. The idea that money has ever influenced how hard Dak works, prepares or plays is silly.

TB12 didn't really take less, they opened an athletic training facility at Foxborough with his name on it lol. They just circumvened the cap.

Whatever, take off the rose glasses for Dak. It has been proven time and time again Brady took less money. If Dak was as talented and actually getting to SB”s it would be different.
Hurts took the money as well after the SB, we will see how it affects the team going forward.
oh wait they already let 9 players get away in FA then signed Hurts.

Burrow and Herbert are on rookie contracts still so you have now argument there. Lamar is holding out for a super huge deal also. We will see about him as well.

Calling my post ridiculous is ridiculous when many others have stated the same thing in various threads.

 

[Rockport]

When you ....wait.... for the perfect moment to strike.....you will always be waiting.
You think those teams KNEW mahommes, brady, Rodgers.....would for sure be who they were\are?

Stupid talk.