If Dak has a year like last year, this will be his final year with the team

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Yeah it costs more and you owe 2 mil more on a straight outright release. But you save 28.5 on a june cut. Which can be used on deals for lamb and Diggs. You still have almost 50mil in cap room before June. Dallas really did a great job with this contract. And again 30mil in dead money for 2 yrs is big. But it's less of a burden when you've drafted the way they have. So you can take it and still do what you need to.
I understand the perspective, but this only really works when you have that parachute player already in the building. Hurts for Wentz, Geno for Russell, Purdy+Lance for Garoppolo. Look at what happened to Washington when they moved on from Cousins with no real backup plan.

Do you gamble with a top 8 team on another day 3 rookie QB? Are you fishing for scraps on the FA market?
 

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I'm not sure the OP is wrong, but it is in everyones best interest that Dak steps it up another notch this season. No matter your opinion on Dak's play up to this point the best solution is for Dak to have a great year, and the Cowboys sign him to an extension that provides the Cowboys with significant cap relief for 2024, and hopefully a reasonable enough deal that it doesn't hurt the Cowboys past that.

That said though I think anyone who is under the impression that Dak isn't cuttable after this season is fooling themselves. As a June 1st cut the Cowboys save nearly $35M against the cap next offseason. If the Cowboys end up with a 2nd/3rd round QB like a Hendon Hooker for example it feels like Dak is being put on notice. Even without I think the cap savings from cutting him would be plenty to bring in a 1 year stop gap QB and look at the draft for a developmental player in 2024.
I think Dak is going to tear it up because he's going to be doing some of the things he did his rookie yr. When everybody was on him about dink n dak. But nobody could stop them.

Truth be told this team should've won atleast 1 SB with dak and Elliot, no question. Just haven't had the coaching.
 

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….and replaced with whom?

Last we heard an extension would be like a mob hit, wouldn’t see it coming.

I’d expect that much more than a parting of the ways.

Amazes me how many fans want to dump Dak with no replacement in house and become a six win team for until you get lucky again.

It very much stands to reason that he can limit the picks, as he has done it earlier in his career. Moore being gone should help.
Draft Will Levis if he falls. Dallas must start searching for the next QB so why not start now.
 

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I understand the perspective, but this only really works when you have that parachute player already in the building. Hurts for Wentz, Geno for Russell, Purdy+Lance for Garoppolo.

Do you gamble on a top 8 teams with a 3rd round rookie QB? Are you fishing for scraps on the FA market?
I didn't see it talked about here but this team seems to be on Aidan O'Connell. Even had him in for a private workout. Think this team is operating differently now. They seem to be making moves under the radar. Where before they telegraphed everything they did.

I say it every yr, they tell you hat they're doing. Not this yr.
 

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Only in Dallas, the fans want to get rid of the qb that led them to back to back 12 wins season. He didn't fare well in the SF game, but he didn't have much help after Pollard went down. The week before he annihilated the Tom Brady led team.
Respectfully disagree. Rams made the Super Bowl with Goff.. saw an upgrade. Traded the big contract and won a Super Bowl with Stafford. SF made multiple SB runs with Jimmy G. They tried to get Brady, Rodgers moved up in the draft to get Lance. Lance can’t stay healthy but at least they recognized a problem. Dallas sticks too long with players that just don’t move the needle.
 

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Who you gonna replace him with? Serious question. What would you do? The team is good enough to go to the playoffs every year with Dak now. Who are they going to plug and play? You can't just say ANYONE... I guess you could and some absolutely will. That's why they are on a fan forum chat room and not working in professional sports but I digress...
A few years ago I would have been the first in line to make this argument. In 2023 though I think it's significantly easier to find starter level quarterbacks. I mean this year alone you have Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rogers sitting out there for the taking, along with Derek Carr who got cut, Trey Lance on the trade block, etc. Who knows what next offseason may end up providing as far as QBs on the market. You might get a Jared Goff available, Kirk Cousins is set up to be a free agent. Not to mention we could very well end up taking a flier on a QB in this years draft. I know that some of that talk has been put on the back burner ever since Rush got resigned, but the Cowboys have been mentioned to like multiple QBs in this class including Hooker who could be a reasonable round 2 pick.

Do I think all of these guys are on Daks level? absolutely not, but pretty much everyone on this list surrounded by a quality team is capable of making a run and being a legitimate 1-2 year QB for the Cowboys to fill the gap.
 

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Agreed, but I think he rebounds this season. Statistically speaking, he's posted two seasons with a QB rating under 95. 2017 with a declining Dez Bryant as the #1 receiver, and last season with CeeDee, Brown, and a M.A.S.H. unit. 2018 started out rough, but the addition of Cooper supercharged the offense, and the passing game was excellent until the 2022 season.

Bringing in Cooks changed the game. CeeDee really came into his own over the second half of the season, and Gallup is a year removed from that ACL tear. Cooks is a legit mid-tier #1 receiver with some tread left on his tires, and a game-breaker over the top. With the emergence of the two young tight ends and the likelihood of adding a young running back with some juice to replace an aging Pollard, chances are that this is the best offensive cast Dak has had since entering the league.

Dak has proven that he can put up elite numbers, given the right weapons and I have no doubt that he comes back strong this season and leads one of the strongest offenses in the NFL. Time will tell, but I'm definitely excited to see how it plays out!
I think he had too much freedom under Moore. He's not good enough to have that amount of control. I think if MM can go back to 2016s philosophy with the defense they got now, I think that's your winner.
 

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I think Dak is going to tear it up because he's going to be doing some of the things he did his rookie yr. When everybody was on him about dink n dak. But nobody could stop them.

Truth be told this team should've won atleast 1 SB with dak and Elliot, no question. Just haven't had the coaching.
Agree...sort of. I think Dak is in for a big year as well. Bringing in Cooks was a big move to solidify this WR group. I also have a feeling this team ends up with an offensive heavy draft.
 

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Enjoy Dak's last season as sure as the sun will rise he will follow Zeke as a pre-June 1st 2024 cut.
Talent is lacking and the facade is almost over!
P.S. After 8 years of Mr.Goodwill and sauce it will be a pleasure having him not even find a starting job after the Boys release him.
Dang.....that's a lot of hatred. Hope he didn't hurt you too bad.
 

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A few years ago I would have been the first in line to make this argument. In 2023 though I think it's significantly easier to find starter level quarterbacks. I mean this year alone you have Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rogers sitting out there for the taking, along with Derek Carr who got cut, Trey Lance on the trade block, etc. Who knows what next offseason may end up providing as far as QBs on the market. You might get a Jared Goff available, Kirk Cousins is set up to be a free agent. Not to mention we could very well end up taking a flier on a QB in this years draft. I know that some of that talk has been put on the back burner ever since Rush got resigned, but the Cowboys have been mentioned to like multiple QBs in this class including Hooker who could be a reasonable round 2 pick.

Do I think all of these guys are on Daks level? absolutely not, but pretty much everyone on this list surrounded by a quality team is capable of making a run and being a legitimate 1-2 year QB for the Cowboys to fill the gap.
Unless they go into rebuild mode (which they are not), they are not going to replace Dak with a rookie or someone unproven. All the starters you mention either suck or would cost too much over the long term. It's NOT easy to find a starting QB. Ask Washington, ask Cleveland, ask Jerry until he lucked into Romo. It can get a lot worse and people seem to be ok with taking that chance. I am not one to forget the years after Aikman. It was absolutely abhorrent, NO THANKS on going back to that.
 

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Dak could put up another clunker of a season but he's not going anywhere. Jerry n Co won't own up to it and replace him with?

Dak will remain a top 10-15 or so QB imo as long as the talent is still there or replaced around him
 

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Unless they go into rebuild mode (which they are not), they are not going to replace Dak with a rookie or someone unproven. All the starters you mention either suck or would cost too much over the long term. It's NOT easy to find a starting QB. Ask Washington, ask Cleveland, ask Jerry until he lucked into Romo. It can get a lot worse and people seem to be ok with taking that chance. I am not one to forget the years after Aikman. It was absolutely abhorrent, NO THANKS on going back to that.

When you have a foundation in place like we do you can win games like we did with Cooper Rush.

The Eagles have a similar foundation and took Hurts in the 2nd round and he’s outplaying players more talented then him.

Keep the foundation in place and replacing Dak will be simple.

Worst case scenario is we are an awful team and picking high enough to draft players like Caleb Williams who are in the upcoming draft.

What you can’t do is overpay for a player like Dak and ever expect to win anything.

Good regular seasons and failure after failure in the post season is not the goal.

Dak is going into year 8. Most of these guys win their trophy on their rookie deal. Dak just isn’t that guy.
 

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The probability is microscopic in nature of Jerry Jones separating himself from Dak Prescott regardless of this season's final result UNLESS Jones acquires Prescott's successor between now and the end of training camp.

I do not customarily bet either on this site or in real life. I will gladly endorse a one-month avatar (one that does not conflict with site rules) bet that Jones will not part with Prescott after the 2023 season. Only one month mind you. I like changing my avatar and will not get stuck with one I do not choose for a long period of time, lol.

Edit: ROWDY IS NOT NEGOTIABLE! I will lose and put up with a STEELERS logo as an avatar for a month before I would ever change to that nonsense. And anyone who has ever read my opinion of Pittsburgh knows how much I detest that franchise.
 

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You won't find a bigger Dak fan anywhere then me. But even I can see the writing on he wall. He's not Jerrys choice. I've said this since his rookie yr. Jerry wouldn't even entertain the idea of having him starter over Romo even with him t taking the league by storm that first yr. AND it's not like Jerry doesn't throw a sunrise jab at da fk every chance he gets. I think that contract negotiation and his agent hoping the price every time they talk he was the last straw for Jerry.

If he has a yr anywhere like last yr, this will ge his final yr with the team IMO. He has 61 mil still guaranteed, and a 59mil cap hit next yr. So they can make him a June cut and save 28.5mil. Get 28.5 mil in june to sign guys like Ceedee and Diggs. Of course you have a huge hole but it is and eat it is.

https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/01/tennessee-titans-salary-cap-space-2024
Overthecap is projecting 256mil cap in 2024 and Dallas has 46 players under contract. Which means Dallas has the 51 cap number basically set. As of right now Dallas has 6.4mil in caproom another 6 in June. Dallas will need around 3mil to pay their rookies. So take 9mil in rollover for 2024. With OTC projections Dallas could walk into 2024 with a 265 mil adjected cap with 212mil already allocated. So they can have 43mil in cap space.

Now say Dak is just not getting it done, moving on from him wouldn't kill the team because they've drafted so good. The majority of the team is on rookie deals. This forum has hated this deal since it was signed because they saw 40mil AAV, but he's had 21Mil AAV since signing his deal and we're in yr 3 of 4. This shows you this team knows what they're doing with their contracts. Yeah 30mil is a big chunk, but it's alot better than 59mil. And that's 30mil for nothing just dead money if he's gone. But it doesn't kill you because you have 46 players already signed. And the core is already under contract.
You’re so full of it. You’ve been hating on Dak since his second year. I quit reading after that blatant lie.
 

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When you have a foundation in place like we do you can win games like we did with Cooper Rush.

The Eagles have a similar foundation and took Hurts in the 2nd round and he’s outplaying players more talented then him.

Keep the foundation in place and replacing Dak will be simple.

Worst case scenario is we are an awful team and picking high enough to draft players like Caleb Williams who are in the upcoming draft.

What you can’t do is overpay for a player like Dak and ever expect to win anything.

Good regular seasons and failure after failure in the post season is not the goal.

Dak is going into year 8. Most of these guys win their trophy on their rookie deal. Dak just isn’t that guy.
Jerry/Stephen don't operate like that anymore. They believed they could do that when Parcells came to town. They had the #1 defense with Zimmer but went with plug-in QB's for years and it was a disaster. What they should be doing is drafting and developing Dak's replacement over a period of years. They aren't doing that either, so that should tell you they are ALL IN on Dak and I expect an extension to work the cap before I expect a cut. It's probably what will happen.
 

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Unless they go into rebuild mode (which they are not), they are not going to replace Dak with a rookie or someone unproven. All the starters you mention either suck or would cost too much over the long term. It's NOT easy to find a starting QB. Ask Washington, ask Cleveland, ask Jerry until he lucked into Romo. It can get a lot worse and people seem to be ok with taking that chance. I am not one to forget the years after Aikman. It was absolutely abhorrent, NO THANKS on going back to that.
Player A - 66 comp %, 238 YPG, 7.3 Y/A, 5.8 TD%, 3.8 INT%
Player B - 65 comp %, 261 YPG, 7.6 Y/A, 4.9 TD%, 1.2 INT%
Player C - 65 comp %, 267 YPG, 7.1 Y/A, 4.5 TD%, 2.2 INT%

I get that Rogers or Jackson are probably unrealistic due to salary however Goff, Cousins, and Dak are the three players listed. Statistically, I'm not sure we see much difference, and while they are all in different offenses and situations I'm not sure there is a drastic difference on the surrounding talent of each team.

I'd probably take Dak over Goff/Cousins, but I struggle to see an argument where the gap is very wide at all. For the level of production the Cowboys have gotten recently out of Dak I'm not sure it would be that difficult to replace, at least in the short term. Finding a long term solution is still incredibly difficult, I agree with you there.
 

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You’re so full of it. You’ve been hating on Dak since his second year. I quit reading after that blatant lilie.
Lol clearly you've never read anything fromme. Because nobody in this forum would say I've typed any kind of hate towards dak. Most call me a homer. But go about your business.
 
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