If Dak struggles like he did in 2019, how long before Dalton steps in?

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I mean am I supposed to link the response of 7 and 2 won loss record against losing teams with a 22 to 3 td to int ratio but 1-6 against playoff teams with a 8 td to 8 int ratio?

I mean if your garbage time analytics stats somehow disprove his on field lack of wins based off these numbers against playoff teams...

I mean I'm not a stats expert but 22/3 td/int ratio compared to 8/8 is quite a drop off.

I probably just don't understand
 

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I mean am I supposed to link the response of 7 and 2 won loss record against losing teams with a 22 to 3 td to int ratio but 1-6 against playoff teams with a 8 td to 8 int ratio?

I mean if your garbage time analytics stats somehow disprove his on field lack of wins based off these numbers against playoff teams...

I mean I'm not a stats expert but 22/3 td/int ratio compared to 8/8 is quite a drop off.

I probably just don't understand
You dont understand, obviously he had top 5 qb play against playoff teams last year. This is what we call a fact. Now other than dribbling off td to int ratios like its the end all be all. In 2020 we like to use advanced analytics that tell the whole story. Pff uses those analytics. Also dak was 16th in passing attempts in garbage time. So go find some real statistics and make me work a little harder. Its too easy to dump on you romosexuals
 

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You dont understand, obviously he had top 5 qb play against playoff teams last year. This is what we call a fact. Now other than dribbling off td to int ratios like its the end all be all. In 2020 we like to use advanced analytics that tell the whole story. Pff uses those analytics. Also dak was 16th in passing attempts in garbage time. So go find some real statistics and make me work a little harder. Its too easy to dump on you romosexuals

Got it.
Damarcus Lawrence is a personal fave of yours too based off his impressive analytics right and all too deserving of his contract too?

I already know the answer. Sarcasm is your friend.

They're one and the same to me. One was just given an un deserved contract and one is about to.

I think there is some advanced analytic about how often Lawrence was so often double teamed and how HE personally was responsible for all of Quinn's sacks yet I notice from previous posts you are not the biggest Lawrence fan.

Why all the love for Dak's advanced analytics and no love for Lawrences 5 sack season?

Maybe analytics are more confusing than I thought...
 

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Got it.
Damarcus Lawrence is a personal fave of yours too based off his impressive analytics right and all too deserving of his contract too?

I already know the answer. Sarcasm is your friend.

They're one and the same to me. One was just given an un deserved contract and one is about to.

I think there is some advanced analytic about how often Lawrence was so often double teamed and how HE personally was responsible for all of Quinn's sacks yet I notice from previous posts you are not the biggest Lawrence fan.

Why all the love for Dak's advanced analytics and no love for Lawrences 5 sack season?

Maybe analytics are more confusing than I thought...
Demarcus Lawrence is overpaid. Hes a run stuffing LDE with pass rush ability. The fact he didnt play more % of snaps is what concerned me. And the coaches i blame for that. Jj watt played a higher % of snaps coming back from a peck tear. Dak is a top 10 qb at 26 years old. Its not daks fault the defense and special teams were bad last year. Offense was 4th best in the league in efficiency
 

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Demarcus Lawrence is overpaid. Hes a run stuffing LDE with pass rush ability. The fact he didnt play more % of snaps is what concerned me. And the coaches i blame for that. Jj watt played a higher % of snaps coming back from a peck tear. Dak is a top 10 qb at 26 years old. Its not daks fault the defense and special teams were bad last year. Offense was 4th best in the league in efficiency

But PFF placed a grade of 88.9 and 6th overall with regards to NFL coverage defense last year.

They were 3rd best in forced incompletion rate at 12.2%, 5th best in yards per reception at 10.5 yds per play and 2nd best in the whole NFL in missed secondary tackles at 42.

I mean you already said the offense was efficient.
PFF says the defense was too.

How did they end up "just" 8-8 with BOTH of these PFF advanced offense and defense analytics efficiency numbers?

I mean...
Blame it ALL on the kicker?
 

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Dalton had some weapons, so lets not make it as if he had nothing, but he still had awful, awful awful performances in the playoffs. Dalton is a very average to now below average QB. the bengals weren't horrible, they had good defense, and some offensive weapons....Dalton is just not that good.

Dak took the great Aaron Rodgers to the brink, needing one of his greatest magic moments to make a come back. stupid coaching cost us that game.....and he did that as a rookie. He won a playoff game, unquestionably one of his better performances coming through in critical times. the team was ill prepared against the Rams, giving up 208 rushing yards and being defensively crushed.

and everyone keeps referring to 2019 as if that's the only year to measure everything...and I find it curious on the one hand you say coaching cost us games and on the other hand you say Dak went 1-6 …...and he didn't fold badly against Saints....was it his fault that Witten fumbled a crucial catch in the middle of the field in a game that was within 2 points? was it his fault zeke fumbled on 4th down? against the patriots, the coaching cost us the game, crucial coaching mistakes, putting the defense in a bad position. in the NFL you win high scoring games and you win low scoring games and that's where coaching really matters. we bungled the game against the patriots, but then again its Garrett vs. Bilicheck…..hmmmm

Dak had one of his better performances against the Vikings, defense played really bad. on crucial drive in the end, he was 6 for 7 passing and the coaches decided to run the ball at a crucial time in the game, when we had 45 total yards of rushing all game!!! and then call a stupid pass play to zeke!!!! against the jets, our defense sucked absolutely horrible giving up all those points against one of the worst offenses in the league at the time and the coaches were horrid horrid horrid.

we had a bad game against the eagles.....across the board...players, offense, defense, special teams, coaches....horrible

most NFL games are going to be within 10 points going into the 4th, coaching at crucial times make all the difference in the games and we bungled time after time, not just in the past 4 years, but for the past 10 years...

and lets not forget our craapy special teams, with the kicker missing 10 straight field goals between 30-40 yards...what took so long to replace him!!!! he cost us some games as well....

and when a player is given resources, expectations are that he performs. in 2016, 2017, and part of 2018 he had average weapons in Dez, Williams and Witten. but once we got copper a WR probably in the 10-15 range in the NFL, he has been one of the best performing QBs in the league...as I have always argued, its about what you do with the weapons you are given. since mid 2018 when we got cooper he is one of the best passers in the league....and the same is true for all of the top QBs. lets not act as if they are playing with marshmellows. Brees has Thomas and Kamara, Brady has had gronk and edleman…...

but I find it interesting the Dak detractors keep pointing to 2019 to measure Dak, yet want to ignore all other years and give credit to the team, the OL, the RB, etc. for the success, yet all losses are Dak's fault!!!

in my opinion, coach, GM are responsible for wins and losses because its special teams, offense and defense. as the QB you are responsible for the offense and what you can do and in that you are limited by your coaches and what they do.....

you make some good points and it is a collective responsibility when a team wins or loses , not only Dak’s .
But I remind you Dak has no game that I can recall where he engineered a comeback or overcame bad coaching or bad calls . There are many instances pointed out in previous threads showing Dak made the wrong choice or was unable to read the defenses .
In addition , dak’s doubters don’t only mention 2019 , but also 2018 , when Dak has notable meltdowns ( remember Dak’s debacle at home vs Tennessee and others ?? Dak was booed repeatedly and his weaknesses and limitations were obvious, the same against the colts with zero points , etc etc ) and was bailed out by Jerry who had to trade for Cooper .
Bottom line is that Dak will have 2020 to break through and take the team to the SB or the conference championship game at least to be worthy of the 31.4 mil he will be paid (28 mil more than dalton ) . Cap money that could have solidified our leaky D .
We shall find out soon and time will tell . I hope you are completely right about Dak .
 

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Facts are facts but what factor did scheme and coaching play in those losses? I do know even top 5 QB records against winning teams hover around 50/50 which would be considered very good. Dak is around 43% though has been trending down the last 2 year's. I'm not opposed to Dak playing the year under the tag, but we lost a lot of close games that perhaps better coaching can fix.
A player who touches the ball at every Offensive snap , and can audible , the QB , should be mightily responsible for losses and wins . Now he is the top paid player in cowboys history And has a new SB winning team . I think the excuses are coming to an end ...?
 

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But PFF placed a grade of 88.9 and 6th overall with regards to NFL coverage defense last year.

They were 3rd best in forced incompletion rate at 12.2%, 5th best in yards per reception at 10.5 yds per play and 2nd best in the whole NFL in missed secondary tackles at 42.

I mean you already said the offense was efficient.
PFF says the defense was too.

How did they end up "just" 8-8 with BOTH of these PFF advanced offense and defense analytics efficiency numbers?

I mean...
Blame it ALL on the kicker?
Wrong football outsider does the efficiency. Defense was ranked 19th. Also in per drive stats the defense was below average in a number of categories. Go do some research and come holla at me.
 

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you make some good points and it is a collective responsibility when a team wins or loses , not only Dak’s .
But I remind you Dak has no game that I can recall where he engineered a comeback or overcame bad coaching or bad calls . There are many instances pointed out in previous threads showing Dak made the wrong choice or was unable to read the defenses .
In addition , dak’s doubters don’t only mention 2019 , but also 2018 , when Dak has notable meltdowns ( remember Dak’s debacle at home vs Tennessee and others ?? Dak was booed repeatedly and his weaknesses and limitations were obvious, the same against the colts with zero points , etc etc ) and was bailed out by Jerry who had to trade for Cooper .
Bottom line is that Dak will have 2020 to break through and take the team to the SB or the conference championship game at least to be worthy of the 31.4 mil he will be paid (28 mil more than dalton ) . Cap money that could have solidified our leaky D .
We shall find out soon and time will tell . I hope you are completely right about Dak .
Are all 857 of your messages this trash?
 

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A player who touches the ball at every Offensive snap , and can audible , the QB , should be mightily responsible for losses and wins . Now he is the top paid player in cowboys history And has a new SB winning team . I think the excuses are coming to an end ...?
I was wrong a message actually got worse Lol
 

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Wrong football outsider does the efficiency. Defense was ranked 19th. Also in per drive stats the defense was below average in a number of categories. Go do some research and come holla at me.

Hmmmm...

Did the research and that same PFF analytics of Total Coverage Defense came up.

But now. I am kinda confused because earlier you told me it was 2020 and that I was to use PFF advanced analytics as proper stats.

Now I'm being told no, Football Outsiders is what is to be used.

All of the above numbers are exactly as reported concerning the 2019 Dallas Cowboy Total Coverage Defense numbers according to PFF. I mean, I didn't just randomly make these numbers up.

But now your opinion of which analytics site to go by has changed.

I will leave these totally accurate stats of yours to you as the subject matter expert.

It's almost as if there is a difference of opinion and your opinion must be righter than mine.

Weird how that works around here.
Whether stats or accountability, something seems to be missing in and around the current Cowboy culture to include it's fan base.

Nah,
Just my opinion.

Go Cowboys.
 

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Hmmmm...

Did the research and that same PFF analytics of Total Coverage Defense came up.

But now. I am kinda confused because earlier you told me it was 2020 and that I was to use PFF advanced analytics as proper stats.

Now I'm being told no, Football Outsiders is what is to be used.

All of the above numbers are exactly as reported concerning the 2019 Dallas Cowboy Total Coverage Defense numbers according to PFF. I mean, I didn't just randomly make these numbers up.

But now your opinion of which analytics site to go by has changed.

I will leave these totally accurate stats of yours to you as the subject matter expert.

It's almost as if there is a difference of opinion and your opinion must be righter than mine.

Weird how that works around here.
Whether stats or accountability, something seems to be missing in and around the current Cowboy culture to include it's fan base.

Nah,
Just my opinion.

Go Cowboys.
Total coverage defense isnt the whole defense. You said dak was bad against playoff teams proved that wrong. You stated dak got all his stats in garbage time tore that down. The fact is as a whole the offense was better than the defense and special teams last year. If you can prove any different i would be more than willing to listen.
 

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you make some good points and it is a collective responsibility when a team wins or loses , not only Dak’s .
But I remind you Dak has no game that I can recall where he engineered a comeback or overcame bad coaching or bad calls . There are many instances pointed out in previous threads showing Dak made the wrong choice or was unable to read the defenses .
In addition , dak’s doubters don’t only mention 2019 , but also 2018 , when Dak has notable meltdowns ( remember Dak’s debacle at home vs Tennessee and others ?? Dak was booed repeatedly and his weaknesses and limitations were obvious, the same against the colts with zero points , etc etc ) and was bailed out by Jerry who had to trade for Cooper .
Bottom line is that Dak will have 2020 to break through and take the team to the SB or the conference championship game at least to be worthy of the 31.4 mil he will be paid (28 mil more than dalton ) . Cap money that could have solidified our leaky D .
We shall find out soon and time will tell . I hope you are completely right about Dak .
:facepalm: I have to shake my head on that comment regarding Dak making comebacks....he has had the highest number of comeback wins in the NFL over the past 4 years....I can enumerate but I won't, given it will take too long and cover this whole page....but lets not forget the come back win against eagles in 2018 at home, where he and cooper changed the play that led to a TD by cooper because they didn't like Linehan's call. or the playoff game against seattle.....so that statement is either out of ignorance because you weren't watching the game or on purpose misleading because you don't want to admit you were wrong (which there is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong, since its a sign of leadership).

most dak doubters mention 2019. all they post is 8-8 and 1-6 against playoff teams.....and you are measuring a QB's bad games/good games in a bubble. has brees, rodgers, brady, wilson never had a meltdown game? is expectations that no QB ever has a meltdown or bad game? we read the article on break down of Dak over 4 years and the FACTs are that good, great QBs do more good, make more good play and have more good games than bad ones........

and I find it funny you remember one game in 2018, again another badly coached game, but claim I don't ever remember he has had any good games. this, and this alone shows you are biased, since you are ignoring any good games and then one bad game sticks to your memory....

btw, I had been a Dak critic. I was labeled as a Dak hater. I had wanted to see improvements in his game and saw flaws. I advocated and argued last summer that we shouldn't extend until end of the year, since I wanted to see more of certain improvements in his game, as we started to see second half of 2018....at the time I argued, that if he does well, then he will cost a few more Million/year, but then we are sure he is the QB and we won't handicap the cap... I am now convinced that Dak is our long term answer and a few more million doesn't matter, instead of going and chasing a QB and wasting all the good year for lawrence, zeke, martin, etc. with the likes of Dalton, Keenum (omg who suggested that) and bunch of other people who will fail year after year, but hey we saved a few million on the cap and the dak detractors will be happy!!!!!

and we are talking about perhaps $5M per year. $5 million per year is not going to make a great defense. lets not forget that the QB is the most important player on the offensive side, where as to build a great defense you need to have several stars and they all will cost money. and to build a top notch D, to compensate for craapy QBs you would spend way more than the 5M per year....you would need several stars.......

am I opposed to going the D route, ala ravens did with dilfer and flacco? no, but they had several super stars on their defense.......so this notion of lets not pay $35 and save $5M and build a defense is just an argument from Dak detractors that hasn't been thought through by them...
 

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:facepalm: I have to shake my head on that comment regarding Dak making comebacks....he has had the highest number of comeback wins in the NFL over the past 4 years....I can enumerate but I won't, given it will take too long and cover this whole page....but lets not forget the come back win against eagles in 2018 at home, where he and cooper changed the play that led to a TD by cooper because they didn't like Linehan's call. or the playoff game against seattle.....so that statement is either out of ignorance because you weren't watching the game or on purpose misleading because you don't want to admit you were wrong (which there is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong, since its a sign of leadership).

most dak doubters mention 2019. all they post is 8-8 and 1-6 against playoff teams.....and you are measuring a QB's bad games/good games in a bubble. has brees, rodgers, brady, wilson never had a meltdown game? is expectations that no QB ever has a meltdown or bad game? we read the article on break down of Dak over 4 years and the FACTs are that good, great QBs do more good, make more good play and have more good games than bad ones........

and I find it funny you remember one game in 2018, again another badly coached game, but claim I don't ever remember he has had any good games. this, and this alone shows you are biased, since you are ignoring any good games and then one bad game sticks to your memory....

btw, I had been a Dak critic. I was labeled as a Dak hater. I had wanted to see improvements in his game and saw flaws. I advocated and argued last summer that we shouldn't extend until end of the year, since I wanted to see more of certain improvements in his game, as we started to see second half of 2018....at the time I argued, that if he does well, then he will cost a few more Million/year, but then we are sure he is the QB and we won't handicap the cap... I am now convinced that Dak is our long term answer and a few more million doesn't matter, instead of going and chasing a QB and wasting all the good year for lawrence, zeke, martin, etc. with the likes of Dalton, Keenum (omg who suggested that) and bunch of other people who will fail year after year, but hey we saved a few million on the cap and the dak detractors will be happy!!!!!

and we are talking about perhaps $5M per year. $5 million per year is not going to make a great defense. lets not forget that the QB is the most important player on the offensive side, where as to build a great defense you need to have several stars and they all will cost money. and to build a top notch D, to compensate for craapy QBs you would spend way more than the 5M per year....you would need several stars.......

am I opposed to going the D route, ala ravens did with dilfer and flacco? no, but they had several super stars on their defense.......so this notion of lets not pay $35 and save $5M and build a defense is just an argument from Dak detractors that hasn't been thought through by them...

:facepalm: Shaking my head at your obsession with Dak’s accomplishment ( which are mere padded yards ) and one or 2 comebacks etc etc which no one really remembers . All this is immaterial against the fact that he has lost many Important games or could not make a difference when the running game struggled or the defense applied a pressure scheme on Dak . The result : 1-6 last year against decent teams and similar record in 2018 .
You just simply want to ignore his horrible games and focus on some games . Mind you , most of his wins are against the weakest division in the NFL. But you call me biased ??

Another fact you need to understand, if You’re open to facts , Defense wins championships. Go read the record of super bowl champs and come back .
It is almost comical that you think Dak and a mediocre defense can win a SB . You must really love Dak that much . :facepalm:
 

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:facepalm: Shaking my head at your obsession with Dak’s accomplishment ( which are mere padded yards ) and one or 2 comebacks etc etc which no one really remembers . All this is immaterial against the fact that he has lost many Important games or could not make a difference when the running game struggled or the defense applied a pressure scheme on Dak . The result : 1-6 last year against decent teams and similar record in 2018 .
You just simply want to ignore his horrible games and focus on some games . Mind you , most of his wins are against the weakest division in the NFL. But you call me biased ??

Another fact you need to understand, if You’re open to facts , Defense wins championships. Go read the record of super bowl champs and come back .
It is almost comical that you think Dak and a mediocre defense can win a SB . You must really love Dak that much . :facepalm:
I haven't said anything about his accomplishment but a couple of quick mentions because it was just too easy...I just debunked the fabricated made up stuff you keep throwing out.....you are just mad at me for that.....at least try to make up stuff that are a little more realistic...you have a flare for the dramatic...LOL and I quote "Dak has no game that I can recall where he engineered a comeback or overcame bad coaching or bad calls "

.....again, you have the opportunity to put fort any stats, FACTS from games such as him having never done anything ever in big games...which is an obviously totally made up drama by you....now you just said he has padded yards...yet haven't said what's padded yards, and any games he has padded yards.....and now you say one or two come backs...where FACTS, state he has the highest number of comeback wins in the NFL in the past 4 years..... and you may have memory issues, cognitive problems...but football people in the NFL don't.....

and all of what you just made up, in your mind (probably drunk and passed out half way in the middle of 1st quarter)…..and what games did he struggle when running game and defense applied pressure? again the flare for being a drama queen........, another vague attempt to generalization...….and you are trying to measure Dak's performance based even on your own made up standards in a vaccum….interesting.....where anyone with slightest football understanding...would do the measure in comparison to other QBs....so how did other "great" QBs do in same situations? and I find it funny....you mention 2019 as if its the only year that counts...you made sure you mention 1-6 (which you again spoke from both sides of your mouth given you said wins/losses are collective responbsibility but here we go again Dak is 1-6!) and then just like all your other attempts tried to generalize into 2018 which is far from the facts...

you suck at trying to be logical, because you have a tough time keeping up with your own logic (or lack there of)..much less follow any other thread of logic....you have several times contradicted yourself......at least read your own responses before responding to any other thread

and I don't disagree, defense helps win championships but
...KC defense was ranked 17th last year.....SF was 2nd.
NE was 21st when they beat the rams

and what will it take to build a championship defense? which players do you have in mind? how much will they cost? and is $10M additional dollars enough to do that? again another drama queen generalization attempt because you heard it somewhere, but have no clue what it means....

you really don't understand football do you? :huh: it seems obvious you just want to argue.....
 

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Total coverage defense isnt the whole defense. You said dak was bad against playoff teams proved that wrong. You stated dak got all his stats in garbage time tore that down. The fact is as a whole the offense was better than the defense and special teams last year. If you can prove any different i would be more than willing to listen.

No. You're moving goal posts. My original post was Dak's comparative td to int ratio in games won and lost.

Your follow on was that it was 2020 and that it doesn't matter about tds to int ratio and further babble about advanced analytics. My original statement supported by stats was that in games won against non playoff teams that he threw 22 tds to 3 ints as compared to 8 tds to 8 ints against playoff teams still stands and is indisputable.

These stats prove that he threw far less tds and far greater ints when facing playoff teams.
FACT.

Now if you can somehow go back and show me just as many or more tds and less ints were thrown in losses against playoff teams I'm all ears but you can't cuz the stats speak for themselves.

Your juvenile misdirection doesn't work here.
 

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No. You're moving goal posts. My original post was Dak's comparative td to int ratio in games won and lost.

Your follow on was that it was 2020 and that it doesn't matter about tds to int ratio and further babble about advanced analytics. My original statement supported by stats was that in games won against non playoff teams that he threw 22 tds to 3 ints as compared to 8 tds to 8 ints against playoff teams still stands and is indisputable.

These stats prove that he threw far less tds and far greater ints when facing playoff teams.
FACT.

Now if you can somehow go back and show me just as many or more tds and less ints were thrown in losses against playoff teams I'm all ears but you can't cuz the stats speak for themselves.

Your juvenile misdirection doesn't work here.
But td to int ratio is a single stat but doesn't tell the whole story. PFF's grading system goes by individual play and grades every play. Dak was in fact a top 5 qb against playoff teams. I'm sorry this goes against your narrative but it is what it is.
 

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I haven't said anything about his accomplishment but a couple of quick mentions because it was just too easy...I just debunked the fabricated made up stuff you keep throwing out.....you are just mad at me for that.....at least try to make up stuff that are a little more realistic...you have a flare for the dramatic...LOL and I quote "Dak has no game that I can recall where he engineered a comeback or overcame bad coaching or bad calls "

.....again, you have the opportunity to put fort any stats, FACTS from games such as him having never done anything ever in big games...which is an obviously totally made up drama by you....now you just said he has padded yards...yet haven't said what's padded yards, and any games he has padded yards.....and now you say one or two come backs...where FACTS, state he has the highest number of comeback wins in the NFL in the past 4 years..... and you may have memory issues, cognitive problems...but football people in the NFL don't.....

and all of what you just made up, in your mind (probably drunk and passed out half way in the middle of 1st quarter)…..and what games did he struggle when running game and defense applied pressure? again the flare for being a drama queen........, another vague attempt to generalization...….and you are trying to measure Dak's performance based even on your own made up standards in a vaccum….interesting.....where anyone with slightest football understanding...would do the measure in comparison to other QBs....so how did other "great" QBs do in same situations? and I find it funny....you mention 2019 as if its the only year that counts...you made sure you mention 1-6 (which you again spoke from both sides of your mouth given you said wins/losses are collective responbsibility but here we go again Dak is 1-6!) and then just like all your other attempts tried to generalize into 2018 which is far from the facts...

you suck at trying to be logical, because you have a tough time keeping up with your own logic (or lack there of)..much less follow any other thread of logic....you have several times contradicted yourself......at least read your own responses before responding to any other thread

and I don't disagree, defense helps win championships but
...KC defense was ranked 17th last year.....SF was 2nd.
NE was 21st when they beat the rams

and what will it take to build a championship defense? which players do you have in mind? how much will they cost? and is $10M additional dollars enough to do that? again another drama queen generalization attempt because you heard it somewhere, but have no clue what it means....

you really don't understand football do you? :huh: it seems obvious you just want to argue.....

you have fundamentally contradicted yourself .
1- defense wins championships , overpaying a mediocre QB hurts the cap needed to fix a porous defense .
2- QBs who won with mediocre Defenses such as Mahoney and Brady , are out of Dak’s league , he is not anywhere close to these QBs.
3- you keep mentioning comebacks by Dak . What about his playoff record ? Or his record against winning teams ?
4- I will give you esamples and facts where Dak struggled when the running game stalled ; Tennesse and Rams playoff loss 2018 , saints loss , Jets , bears and NE lossEs 2019 and many more .
 

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you have fundamentally contradicted yourself .
1- defense wins championships , overpaying a mediocre QB hurts the cap needed to fix a porous defense .
2- QBs who won with mediocre Defenses such as Mahoney and Brady , are out of Dak’s league , he is not anywhere close to these QBs.
3- you keep mentioning comebacks by Dak . What about his playoff record ? Or his record against winning teams ?
4- I will give you esamples and facts where Dak struggled when the running game stalled ; Tennesse and Rams playoff loss 2018 , saints loss , Jets , bears and NE lossEs 2019 and many more .
you have to be drunk when you respond to these... Mahoney!!! LOL :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

and trying to now switch to another logical debate, which you will lose your shorts in that one too.

be on your way child. you are way over matched mentally. go hangout with your other drunk buddy leeblair...two alcoholics should hang together and support each other.

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:facepalm: I have to shake my head on that comment regarding Dak making comebacks....he has had the highest number of comeback wins in the NFL over the past 4 years....I can enumerate but I won't, given it will take too long and cover this whole page....but lets not forget the come back win against eagles in 2018 at home, where he and cooper changed the play that led to a TD by cooper because they didn't like Linehan's call. or the playoff game against seattle.....so that statement is either out of ignorance because you weren't watching the game or on purpose misleading because you don't want to admit you were wrong (which there is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong, since its a sign of leadership).

most dak doubters mention 2019. all they post is 8-8 and 1-6 against playoff teams.....and you are measuring a QB's bad games/good games in a bubble. has brees, rodgers, brady, wilson never had a meltdown game? is expectations that no QB ever has a meltdown or bad game? we read the article on break down of Dak over 4 years and the FACTs are that good, great QBs do more good, make more good play and have more good games than bad ones........

and I find it funny you remember one game in 2018, again another badly coached game, but claim I don't ever remember he has had any good games. this, and this alone shows you are biased, since you are ignoring any good games and then one bad game sticks to your memory....

btw, I had been a Dak critic. I was labeled as a Dak hater. I had wanted to see improvements in his game and saw flaws. I advocated and argued last summer that we shouldn't extend until end of the year, since I wanted to see more of certain improvements in his game, as we started to see second half of 2018....at the time I argued, that if he does well, then he will cost a few more Million/year, but then we are sure he is the QB and we won't handicap the cap... I am now convinced that Dak is our long term answer and a few more million doesn't matter, instead of going and chasing a QB and wasting all the good year for lawrence, zeke, martin, etc. with the likes of Dalton, Keenum (omg who suggested that) and bunch of other people who will fail year after year, but hey we saved a few million on the cap and the dak detractors will be happy!!!!!

and we are talking about perhaps $5M per year. $5 million per year is not going to make a great defense. lets not forget that the QB is the most important player on the offensive side, where as to build a great defense you need to have several stars and they all will cost money. and to build a top notch D, to compensate for craapy QBs you would spend way more than the 5M per year....you would need several stars.......

am I opposed to going the D route, ala ravens did with dilfer and flacco? no, but they had several super stars on their defense.......so this notion of lets not pay $35 and save $5M and build a defense is just an argument from Dak detractors that hasn't been thought through by them...
:hammer:Thorough Post!
 
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