If Ireland leaves before the Draft, what compensation

[Woods]

Dude, wake up, you're dreaming!! Try a 5th or 6th, MAX!

I was feeling very bullish in the morning for some reason . . . . :

 

[Hostile]

While I agree with this...missing on a 1st has an impact on Salary cap dollars that could mean signing a needed FA or keeping the players on the team now... So it hurts a heck of a lot more to miss on a first than on any other pick... but yeah if you can pull out 3 10 year guys in any giving draft that is a successful draft...I think

I would agree with this if we didn't have cap room. We have not only had cap room, we've had an abundance of it. Stephen Jones does a great job managing the cap. Maybe among the best in the NFL.

2003 we got Terence Newman in the first. Even if he had ended up a bust I would call that Draft class a success because of Witten, Bradie James, and an undrafted QB named Tony Romo. Newman doesn't make that class a success by himself. It is getting multiple guys who contribute that makes it a success.

Guys bust. I'm not saying Carpenter is, because I think his future here is bright. To me it is more indicative of a scouting department's abilities when they can find a Jay Ratliff than when they can pass on a Carpenter and instead select a ___________ who turns out to be okay.

 

[iceberg]

I don't agree with this. No Offense meant. If Hatcher, Watkins, and McQuistan all play here for 10 years it's a good Draft regardless of what Carpenter does.

i fully agree it's the amount of overall players we get from the draft, not he position of which they were picked. that said, carpenter was a bust-a-rola and may never be more than special teams. but that has no bearing on the overall success of the draft really.

 

[big dog cowboy]

While I'm not calling Carpenter a complete bust yet, he is now on the doorstep of bust. Next year in my opinion is his last chance to start making real progress playing time wise.

Carp will be entering the "3 year rule" next year. We all know what that means.

 

[CowboyJeff]

The short term compensation for Ireland's departure really wont matter. The long term effect of his departure, coupled with the revolving door of those who follow him, and the influence of Lacewell will be far more devastating to the future of this team than any slew of 1st round draft picks they'd pray to get in return from the Dolphins.

 

[Hostile]

The short term compensation for Ireland's departure really wont matter. The long term effect of his departure, coupled with the revolving door of those who follow him, and the influence of Lacewell will be far more devastating to the future of this team than any slew of 1st round draft picks they'd pray to get in return from the Dolphins.

Can you pull some strings and get me an interview? I'll be the Little Dutch Boy and plug the hole in the dyke.

 

[iceberg]

The short term compensation for Ireland's departure really wont matter. The long term effect of his departure, coupled with the revolving door of those who follow him, and the influence of Lacewell will be far more devastating to the future of this team than any slew of 1st round draft picks they'd pray to get in return from the Dolphins.

i'd have to agree. odd the value of the person making those picks isn't as much as who he picks here.

 

[AbeBeta]

I certainly think if he left before the draft compensation would be in order...but anybody thinking we would receive anything above a 4th will be disappointed I think...

I doubt it -- guys take jobs all the time.

What folks fail to recognize is that there is a distinction between Ireland and the work he was paid for. I expect that he's got detailed scouting records that the team will keep. It isn't like he's got it all in his head.

 

[CowboyJeff]

I doubt it -- guys take jobs all the time.

What folks fail to recognize is that there is a distinction between Ireland and the work he was paid for. I expect that he's got detailed scouting records that the team will keep. It isn't like he's got it all in his head.

I'll bet he's made copies of those files. He'll have copies and the Cowboys will have copies. They will be accurate for a year or two. Then you'll see how hands-on Lacewell will be going forward. I can see us drafting Isaiah Stanbacks in the first round. :bang2:

 

[khiladi]

Carp will be entering the "3 year rule" next year. We all know what that means.

Bill will want him. Trade-bait...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

People are going way overboard on this Lacewell thing. Just because he was in charge back in the day doesn't mean he will be now. Jerry *has* shown the capacity to learn and change... Just look at his coaching hire this year.

I don't know why some want to ignore that -- I guess Jerry bashing is more fun.

 

[Doomsday101]

People are going way overboard on this Lacewell thing. Just because he was in charge back in the day doesn't mean he will be now. Jerry *has* shown the capacity to learn and change... Just look at his coaching hire this year.

I don't know why some want to ignore that -- I guess Jerry bashing is more fun.

I agree. I think it you have a good scouting staff in place and you listen to then you have a good chance of hitting on players.

Here is part of an artical from earlier this year:

Having scouts running things isn't such a big deal, Brandt and Jerry Jones said.

"I don't think it makes any difference, because they have a good system in place," Brandt said. "Jeff knows what the system is, and he's got experienced scouts that know what the system is."

Said Jerry Jones: "Theoretically, it's not supposed to be any different. It's that potential lobbying that you might have gotten [from the coaches] that might have influenced the draft board that you really shouldn't do. The guys that spend 100 percent of their time [scouting], that's what should be on the board."

And as far as FA go Jerry brought in guys like TO, Davis and Hamlin

 

[CowboyJeff]

I agree. I think it you have a good scouting staff in place and you listen to then you have a good chance of hitting on players.

Here is part of an artical from earlier this year:

Having scouts running things isn't such a big deal, Brandt and Jerry Jones said.

"I don't think it makes any difference, because they have a good system in place," Brandt said. "Jeff knows what the system is, and he's got experienced scouts that know what the system is."

Said Jerry Jones: "Theoretically, it's not supposed to be any different. It's that potential lobbying that you might have gotten [from the coaches] that might have influenced the draft board that you really shouldn't do. The guys that spend 100 percent of their time [scouting], that's what should be on the board."

And as far as FA go Jerry brought in guys like TO, Davis and Hamlin

As long as Jerry is the G.M. he will have final say on all draft picks. He is the one who will get lobbied by Lacewell and the coaches. The next Ireland, the one ofter that, and the one after that will have no "skins on the wall" to have the same impact on Jerry's ear as Lacewell does. But we will sit back and wait and see. History does tend to repeat itself......

 

[Chief]

People are going way overboard on this Lacewell thing. Just because he was in charge back in the day doesn't mean he will be now. Jerry *has* shown the capacity to learn and change... Just look at his coaching hire this year.

I don't know why some want to ignore that -- I guess Jerry bashing is more fun.

I agree.

Jerry has grown up right before our eyes. I'll never forget the draft day war room scene of him, Switzer and Lacewell doing the "see no evil, hear no evil" pose for the cameras.

When I picture Jerry and Lacewell together, it's like Harvey Corman and Tim Conway in some Carol Burnett Show skit. It's just funny. Jerry just cracks me up.

But seriously, Jerry has evolved and gotten so much better. I appreciate his passion and his dedication.

 

[Doomsday101]

As long as Jerry is the G.M. he will have final say on all draft picks. He is the one who will get lobbied by Lacewell and the coaches. The next Ireland, the one ofter that, and the one after that will have no "skins on the wall" to have the same impact on Jerry's ear as Lacewell does. But we will sit back and wait and see. History does tend to repeat itself......

And I don't think Jerry has become the successful man he has in life by repeating the same mistakes. Jerry chose to make changes in how we would conduct the draft and the input of the scouting department and did so this past year as well after BP was gone. No doubt Jerry will have the final say but I do think he will listen to the people who have been spending their time scouting these players. Ireland assistant has been Tom Ciskowski who also has a good relationship with Jones. I think the scouting department goes deeper than Ireland alone and if Jerry continues to listen to the people he is paying to give him the information to make the correct choices then I don't think we will have a problem. Let me also say the 1st part of this artical had to do with BP wanting Kevin Williams while the scouting department (including Lacewell) wanted Newman.

 

[Verdict]

I'm betting Ireland will be announced as the new Miami GM today. I feel good for the guy. He does deserve this.

I believe Tom Ciskowski will do a very good job here. He might even be better. IMO it is the Jay Ratliffs and Nick Folks and Deon Andersons you get on Day 2 that make a Draft a good one or a great one. The extra pick could be a gem.

Who is he?

 

[Chief]

Who is he?

He's just under Ireland on the scouting hierarchy at Valley Ranch.

 

[Doomsday101]

Who is he?

He is the assistant to Ireland.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And I don't think Jerry has become the successful man he has in life by repeating the same mistakes. Jerry chose to make changes in how we would conduct the draft and the input of the scouting department and did so this past year as well after BP was gone. No doubt Jerry will have the final say but I do think he will listen to the people who have been spending their time scouting these players. Ireland assistant has been Tom Ciskowski who also has a good relationship with Jones. I think the scouting department goes deeper than Ireland alone and if Jerry continues to listen to the people he is paying to give him the information to make the correct choices then I don't think we will have a problem. Let me also say the 1st part of this artical had to do with BP wanting Kevin Williams while the scouting department (including Lacewell) wanted Newman.

Whole lotta truth right there. Nice post.

 

[TVMan]

Who is he?

He was the scout who convinced JJ to draft Larry Allen.