If JJ gets traded, who is out there?

[cowboyed]

I am for snagging Bush but have no problem giving Barber a chance to prove he is not a featured back.

 

[Crown Royal]

As in he's injured All Day?

Twice on Sunday.

Which probably isn't good for an NFL career.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Our pass rush will be improved due to scheme alone. W/o Zimmer here, our pass rush is already better.

couldn't the same be said for the running game because Leonard Davis at RG improves our Oline so much?

Again, so we should settle for average just cuz your scared of losing depth?

and again, the only thing I'm scared of is losing a 1,000 yard rusher and MBIII not being a capable starter, afterall, I'm replying to you saying if MBIII doesn't win the starter's role, no big deal

His last name is Peterson, not Deterson.

AD is his real nickname pal

And eventhough I think he has a lot of talent, I wouldn't trade up for him cuz of his injury problems.

then you don't get an elite back, not that I'm proposing trading up for him

 

[Doomsday101]

I know many will say Barber can't handle the load but at 6'00" 220 running he has the size and as far as speed he did put up a 4.48 40. I don't see any reason he can't handle a bigger role than what he has seen thus far.

 

[Crown Royal]

I know many will say Barber can't handle the load but at 6'00" 220 running he has the size and as far as speed he did put up a 4.48 40. I don't see any reason he can't handle a bigger role than what he has seen thus far.

The only issue I see with Barber is that 1) he has never really carried a full load. He was a split timer with Maroney and with Jones. It's kinda been his deal throughout his career to not be a featured back. 2) He doesn't really glance of off people or avoid tackles like Emmitt used to. He will put his head down every play rather than step left or right and go down easy.

 

[Rack]

couldn't the same be said for the running game because Leonard Davis at RG improves our Oline so much?

1. No, it doesn't. What has LD done to make you think he's great, or even good?

2. Even if it were to improve due to LD, who is to say JuJo won't continue to run into piles?

3. Even if it does improve and JuJo doesn't run into piles, who's to say MB3 or a rookie wouldn't STILL do better?

and again, the only thing I'm scared of is losing a 1,000 yard rusher and MBIII not being a capable starter, afterall, I'm replying to you saying if MBIII doesn't win the starter's role, no big deal

Don't even give me that 1000 yard rusher crap. It's not a big deal to get 1k nowadays. If he were a 1500 yard back I'd agree with you. If he were a 1500 yard back this thread wouldn't exist.

AD is his real nickname pal

1. I'm not your pal.

2. AD is not his nickname. All Day is his nickname. People usually refer to someone using the initials of their REAL NAME, not their NICKNAME.

then you don't get an elite back, not that I'm proposing trading up for him

I shouldn't of used the word "Elite". Just a "Good" back would be an improvement. Let's be honest here, JuJo is NOT a good runningback. He's average. That's not a bad thing, but as I made it clear earlier, I don't want to settle for "Average".

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1. No, it doesn't. What has LD done to make you think he's great, or even good?

he was good at LG

2. Even if it were to improve due to LD, who is to say JuJo won't continue to run into piles?

who knows?

3. Even if it does improve and JuJo doesn't run into piles, who's to say MB3 or a rookie wouldn't STILL do better?

who's to say they will?

Don't even give me that 1000 yard rusher crap. It's not a big deal to get 1k nowadays. If he were a 1500 yard back I'd agree with you. If he were a 1500 yard back this thread wouldn't exist.

if it's no big deal, how come only 22/23 runners reach 1,000 yards? it's not like everyone is getting 1,000 yards, and Julius did it in a rotation, the only players to rush for more yards w/ less carries were Ladell Betts and Fred Taylor, and only Fred Taylor was in a rotation

1. I'm not your pal.

WAAHHHH

2. AD is not his nickname. All Day is his nickname. People usually refer to someone using the initials of their REAL NAME, not their NICKNAME.

EVERYONE calls Peterson AD, don't get mad cuz you're the only person who didn't know that

 

[Doomsday101]

The only issue I see with Barber is that 1) he has never really carried a full load. He was a split timer with Maroney and with Jones. It's kinda been his deal throughout his career to not be a featured back. 2) He doesn't really glance of off people or avoid tackles like Emmitt used to. He will put his head down every play rather than step left or right and go down easy.

Yes he played with some good backs and shared the running duties in college. I don't think many felt Priest Holmes could carry the load given the fact he played with guys like Ricky Williams but when given the chance he showed he could. I'm not saying hand the job to Barber but yes I feel Barber has earned the right to compete for the starting role based on performance. It seems people are willing to just give it too Jones but thus far he has not shown himself as a consistent RB, all too often he has vanished in games

 

[Rack]

The only issue I see with Barber is that 1) he has never really carried a full load. He was a split timer with Maroney and with Jones. It's kinda been his deal throughout his career to not be a featured back. 2) He doesn't really glance of off people or avoid tackles like Emmitt used to. He will put his head down every play rather than step left or right and go down easy.

The most carries (I'm pretty sure) that JuJo ever had in college was 229 (couldn't find any college stats from before that, but I'm pretty sure he got more carries that year then in his previous seasons).

The most carries MB3 ever got in college was 231 (2004 was the only season it showed for him, he may have got more carries in his previous seasons).


I don't get how people say MB3 can't carry the load, but they feel JuJo can. MB3 got just as many carries in college as JuJo (maybe even more), yet he's not used to carrying the load? If that's so, then why didn't they feel that way about JuJo when we drafted him? If JuJo got the chance to show he can carry the load, then why isn't it ok for MB3 to show he can carry the load?

 

[Crown Royal]

The most carries (I'm pretty sure) that JuJo ever had in college was 229 (couldn't find any college stats from before that, but I'm pretty sure he got more carries that year then in his previous seasons).

The most carries MB3 ever got in college was 231 (2004 was the only season it showed for him, he may have got more carries in his previous seasons).


I don't get how people say MB3 can't carry the load, but they feel JuJo can. MB3 got just as many carries in college as JuJo (maybe even more), yet he's not used to carrying the load? If that's so, then why didn't they feel that way about JuJo when we drafted him? If JuJo got the chance to show he can carry the load, then why isn't it ok for MB3 to show he can carry the load?

1) I just said it was something that concerned me, I didn't say he couldn't do it.

2) I never said I have ever felt that Jones was a full time back. I agree with Parcells. RB by committee is FTW.

3) I have never said that Barber doesn't deserve the chance to compete. I still feel we have 2 quality RBs on the roster that play well together.

4) I personally don't care who starts. I do hope the new OC does a better job of spelling them in and out.

 

[Rack]

he was good at LG

Davis has never been "Good" in his professional career. Just cuz he was BETTER at guard then he was at tackle doesn't mean he was GOOD at it.

who knows?

Considering JuJo ran into piles last season even when he had a hole to run through, I'd say there's a good chance he'll do it in the future.

who's to say they will?

No one knows. But again, why settle on average? We're in position to make 1 or 2 of our average starting spots even BETTER then average. Why not do it?

if it's no big deal, how come only 22/23 runners reach 1,000 yards? it's not like everyone is getting 1,000 yards, and Julius did it as a part-time player

22 runners going over 1K is A LOT. It's a simple fact that a lot more runners go over 1k nowadays then they did 10-15 years ago.

WAAHHHH

EVERYONE calls Peterson AD, don't get mad cuz you're the only person who didn't know that

I don't. Don't get all mad cuz I prefer to call him by his true initials. IMO he has to earn the nickname "All Day". Just cuz his g'ma gave it to him doesn't make it true.

 

[Rack]

1) I just said it was something that concerned me, I didn't say he couldn't do it.

Wasn't referring to you specifically. Just in general. Hell, I have doubts myself whether he can do it or not, but no more then I have for JuJo.

2) I never said I have ever felt that Jones was a full time back. I agree with Parcells. RB by committee is FTW.

I have no problem with RB by committee, I just want the head of the committee to be better then it was last year.

3) I have never said that Barber doesn't deserve the chance to compete. I still feel we have 2 quality RBs on the roster that play well together.

I never said you said Barber didn't deserve a chance to compete.

4) I personally don't care who starts. I do hope the new OC does a better job of spelling them in and out.

My preference would be for MB3 to remain in the role he was in last year, but to improve the starter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Davis has never been "Good" in his professional career. Just cuz he was BETTER at guard then he was at tackle doesn't mean he was GOOD at it.

he was good at it

Considering JuJo ran into piles last season even when he had a hole to run through, I'd say there's a good chance he'll do it in the future.

so everytime he got the ball, he ran into piles? how on Earth did he average 4.1 yards a carry on the year? or do you seriously overvalue our line from last year?

No one knows. But again, why settle on average? We're in position to make 1 or 2 of our average starting spots even BETTER then average. Why not do it?

because only AD is capable of being a better runner in this draft

22 runners going over 1K is A LOT. It's a simple fact that a lot more runners go over 1k nowadays then they did 10-15 years ago.

I edited my post to show you that only 2 players rushed for more yards than Julius w/ less carries, Ladell Betts and Fred Taylor, and Betts got most of his team's carries, unlike Julius

I don't. Don't get all mad cuz I prefer to call him by his true initials. IMO he has to earn the nickname "All Day". Just cuz his g'ma gave it to him doesn't make it true.

yeah, since he adopted it, and everyone in the known world calls him by it, except for your slow arse

 

[DasTex]

No one. We don't have to have someone "waiting in the wings" in order to take a chance at improving our running game.



Wow. Looks like your brain is just as numb as your nuts.

http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/rb/bush.htm

Strengths:
Michael Bush is a powerful back that is built to wear down an opposing defense and run over would be tacklers. He is a workhouse back and has unbelievable speed for a 250 pound RB. Bush has good moves for a player his size.
Weaknesses:
The knee injury is the biggest concern entering the draft. How much damage was done to that knee and has it had a significant effect on Bush's speed and ability to make cuts? His ability to pass catch also has to be something looked at, as well as missing an entire season of football could add some "rust" to Michael Bush's game.
Overall:
A possible late 1st round selection for the right team. Bush would be perfect for a team with a bruising, running mentality or a team that has a speedy back, but need someone for short yardage and a "thunder" to go with their "lightning". Bush will go down as one of the prospects somewhat under the radar, but will pay large dividends as we proceed.


http://www.draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=PlayerProfile2&id=412

BIO:
Although Bush was knocked out for the season he will still be one of the top backs off the board. His huge frame puts opposing defenders on there backsides. It's rare to find such a bruising back that has great speed like Bush.


I don't know...maybe my brain is as numb as my whatever.

I didn't say the man is all world fast, but he can break away a big run at anytime.

Surely you could come up with something other than using the screen name that I chose on here, to make fun of someone about.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Rack, just be quiet

Also on the FSN show, Bush said to Adrian Peterson: ''Hey, Adrian, they call me 'the President.' What's your nickname?''

Said Adrian Peterson: ''A.D. It stands for all day. … My daddy gave it to me when I was younger. … Whatever I did, I did it all day.''

 

[VACowboy]

To me, the fact that MB3 hasn't been a feature back in the past makes him more attractive as a 20 carry guy. He's much less beat up and has more in the tank than a RB who shouldered the full load in college.

 

[Spectre]

Marion Barber the Third.

And the best thing? He's already on the team.


Now queue in the "He's not an every down back" crew... and I happen to agree with them to an extent, but I think he's earned the right to show us whether or not he can carry the load. If he can, great, we're all wrong about him. If he can't, then we get a better starter and move him back to his 3rd down/goalline role.

I agree entirely.

Or get me Bo Jack... I mean, Adrian Peterson.

 

[Rack]

he was good at it

No, he wasn't.

so everytime he got the ball, he ran into piles? how on Earth did he average 4.1 yards a carry on the year? or do you seriously overvalue our line from last year?

.

Are you mentally challenged? Seriously, before I go off on you, I want to make sure I'm not picking on a ******.

Now... where did I post that "EVERYTIME" he got the ball, he ran into piles? Please, search every post I've ever made and find me that quote.

because only AD is capable of being a better runner in this draft

That's only your opinion, and from what I've seen so far, that opinion isn't worth much.

I edited my post to show you that only 2 players rushed for more yards than Julius w/ less carries, Ladell Betts and Fred Taylor, and Betts got most of his team's carries, unlike Julius

Are you saying JuJo didn't get most of the team's carries last season?

yeah, since he adopted it, and everyone in the known world calls him by it, except for your slow arse

Careful with the insults, Chico, that'll get your arse banned here rather quickly.

And you're the last person in this thread that should be calling someone "Slow".

http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/rb/bush.htm

Strengths:
Michael Bush is a powerful back that is built to wear down an opposing defense and run over would be tacklers. He is a workhouse back and has unbelievable speed for a 250 pound RB. Bush has good moves for a player his size.
Weaknesses:
The knee injury is the biggest concern entering the draft. How much damage was done to that knee and has it had a significant effect on Bush's speed and ability to make cuts? His ability to pass catch also has to be something looked at, as well as missing an entire season of football could add some "rust" to Michael Bush's game.
Overall:
A possible late 1st round selection for the right team. Bush would be perfect for a team with a bruising, running mentality or a team that has a speedy back, but need someone for short yardage and a "thunder" to go with their "lightning". Bush will go down as one of the prospects somewhat under the radar, but will pay large dividends as we proceed.


http://www.draftseason.com/index2.php?Page_Name=PlayerProfile2&id=412

BIO:
Although Bush was knocked out for the season he will still be one of the top backs off the board. His huge frame puts opposing defenders on there backsides. It's rare to find such a bruising back that has great speed like Bush.


I don't know...maybe my brain is as numb as my whatever.

I didn't say the man is all world fast, but he can break away a big run at anytime.

Surely you could come up with something other than using the screen name that I chose on here, to make fun of someone about.

I see you ignored the part I bolded (and increased in size so you'd see it this time).

FOR HIS SIZE. It doesn't mean he's fast, it means he's fast for people comparable to HIS SIZE.

Surely you understand the difference?

Again, if you think Bush is faster then JuJo, then your brain is just as numb as your nuts.

 

[ZeroClub]

I like MBIII, but I don't want a guy who doesn't have the break-away dimension to get the lion's share of the team's carries.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, he wasn't.

yeah, he was

Now... where did I post that "EVERYTIME" he got the ball, he ran into piles? Please, search every post I've ever made and find me that quote.

then why say he ran into piles? all backs do it, esp. when the line doesn't open very many holes, and you can't average 4.1 yards per carry if that's a big problem, dont' even bring it up unless you think it's a serious issue, you'd be more accurate bringing up Julius not eluding the S in the open field, but then again, you rarely are accurate

Are you saying JuJo didn't get most of the team's carries last season?

no, I'm saying Betts wasn't in a rotation system, and that wasn't even my main point, which I see you're conveniently side-stepping

Ladell Betts, last 6 games, all starts: 156 of his 245 carries

while TJ Duckett had a whopping 26 carries

Julius: 65 of his 267 carries came in that time-span

while Marion Barber had 58 carries

Careful with the insults, Chico, that'll get your arse banned here rather quickly.

And you're the last person in this thread that should be calling someone "Slow".

you would know about getting banned wouldn't you?

fact is, you were the only person who didn't know that Peterson's nickname was AD, you were wrong, man up