If Taylor for Ellis really happened...

[TXCowboyVol]

Would Spencer be the starter on 1st and 2nd downs and could he be as effective as Ellis' run-stopping ability? Taylor would definitely be an upgrade over Ellis on rushing the passer but I am not sure how we replace the underated part of Greg's game and that's stopping the run.

 

[dcfanatic]

How in the world anyone thinks Greg Ellis will sit by and let a trade happen where he winds up in Miami is beyond me.

He will start crying to the media in about 3 seconds that he will not report to the Dolphins. Why would he want to play for a rebuilding team when he's on a team that has SB aspirations?

Then when the Dolphins hear he is going to be a problem the 'trade idea' will be done.

Now getting Taylor for something else I could see, but it won't be for Ellis.

 

[Hostile]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

 

[Future]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

Taylor would fit here as a nickel pass rusher...but Ellis can do that just fine already. I don't think that I would be very surprised if the two were traded

 

[Sarge]

Taylor would fit here as a nickel pass rusher...but Ellis can do that just fine already. I don't think that I would be very surprised if the two were traded

Why would you wanna pay that kinda money for a nickel pass rusher???

Hos is right IMO, he doesn't fit ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if Ellis for Taylor is completed

I'll look forward to a more manly offseason next year lol

 

[dcfanatic]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

I would have agreed a while ago, but with Wade going after Zach I now think Wade just wants play makers on this defense and Taylor is definitely a playmaker.

I think Taylor is twice the player Ellis is too.

 

[Future]

Why would you wanna pay that kinda money for a nickel pass rusher???

Hos is right IMO, he doesn't fit ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

Well I'm assuming that contracts would have to be restructured if a trade happens...

 

[Hostile]

I would have agreed a while ago, but with Wade going after Zach I now think Wade just wants play makers on this defense and Taylor is definitely a playmaker.

I think Taylor is twice the player Ellis is too.

Okay, I'll re-word it.

I don't think we are looking for another pass rusher. If we are looking for anything it is a WR and Taylor can't play WR.

It wouldn't matter if the player were Jared Allen. I still don't think we'd be in the market.

On Defense if we were going to be looking for a player it would probably be Safety. Why? Because there are legit questions as to whether Pat Watkins can play in this league as a starter, whether we can sign Hamlin for the long haul, and whether Williams can return to enforcer form. I don't think Taylor can play Safety either.

What it boils down to is that WR and Safety are the only positions I could see us having enough interest in to go fishing. Therefore Taylor just doesn't fit. Forget the fact he's a 4-3 DE and we run a 3-4. Forget the fact he's used to the right side and would not supplant Ware there if he was moved to OLB. He's 34, only wanting to play one more year, and has a high salary.

I can read the tea leaves on how Jerry has handled acquisitions this year. Taylor isn't in the tea leaves.

 

[UVAwahoos]

I just don't see how Taylor would be much of an upgrade? He's older, has a more restricting contract, and he hasn't played a single snap in our system. Why would we deal with all this?

Ellis whines a lot, but the fact is, he brings it on the field every Sunday. He had great stats last season despite all of his issues. Plus, there's no way he can be much of a locker room distraction. He is just far overshadowed by TO, Romo-Simpson and Pacman. Even Tank kinda just disappeared (media-wise) after a couple weeks on the team.

I'm for keeping Ellis, even if the whining continues. If a trade were to happen, it should be for a young promising player. Not some guy entering the twilight of his career. We don't need to get older at key positions.

 

[AbeBeta]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

Fit, shmit.

If a defensive coordinator can't figure out how to use one of the best pass rushers of the generation, then he's not a very good DC.

 

[AbeBeta]

He's older

I'm sick of hearing this argument. These are their b-days. That's not a huge difference.

Taylor 09/01/1974

Ellis 08/14/1975

 

[UVAwahoos]

I'm sick of hearing this argument. These are their b-days. That's not a huge difference.

Taylor 09/01/1974

Ellis 08/14/1975

Whoa. Take it easy. :laugh2:


I'll compromise with you and say they're both old. Still, Ellis isn't bad enough to take on the expensive contract of a player entering the twilight of his career. If we were in desperate need of a pass rusher, this would be a different story because Taylor can still play great football, but Ellis is NOT far inferior. Plus, no matter how you cut it, we'd still be getting older at a key position. That's the opposite of what we need to be doing.

 

[2much2soon]

I have been rubbing my eyes at several posts stating Ellis isn't that much different, talent-wise, than Jason Taylor.
Concerned that my memory is really slipping, I had to go back and compare their stats.
Taylor has nearly 50 more sacks? Over the twice the interceptions? Only playing one season longer, or a season and a half if you take into account the time Ellis has missed with injuries?
Wasn't Taylor the Defensive Player of the Year once? Ellis has never sniffed that level of play, except for maybe a streak of a few games before he broke his leg early in his career.
There may be extenuating circumstances that negate bringing Taylor in, but its not because he and Ellis are similar talents.

 

[Hostile]

Fit, shmit.

If a defensive coordinator can't figure out how to use one of the best pass rushers of the generation, then he's not a very good DC.

I didn't say we couldn't figure out how to use him. I said he doesn't fit what we have as needs. There's a huge chasm of difference there.

 

[PosterChild]

Okay, I'll re-word it.

I don't think we are looking for another pass rusher. If we are looking for anything it is a WR and Taylor can't play WR.

It wouldn't matter if the player were Jared Allen. I still don't think we'd be in the market.

On Defense if we were going to be looking for a player it would probably be Safety. Why? Because there are legit questions as to whether Pat Watkins can play in this league as a starter, whether we can sign Hamlin for the long haul, and whether Williams can return to enforcer form. I don't think Taylor can play Safety either.

What it boils down to is that WR and Safety are the only positions I could see us having enough interest in to go fishing. Therefore Taylor just doesn't fit. Forget the fact he's a 4-3 DE and we run a 3-4. Forget the fact he's used to the right side and would not supplant Ware there if he was moved to OLB. He's 34, only wanting to play one more year, and has a high salary.

I can read the tea leaves on how Jerry has handled acquisitions this year. Taylor isn't in the tea leaves.

Any OC worth his salt could make that happen. C'mon people, let's think outside the box.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Any OC worth his salt could make that happen. C'mon people, let's think outside the box.

:laugh2:

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

Heck ya lets trade for Taylor then they can just cut Ware when they cannot afford to sign him. :bang2:

 

[jobberone]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

Exactly. On more than one level.

 

[wileedog]

I don't think we are looking for another pass rusher. If we are looking for anything it is a WR and Taylor can't play WR.

But why wouldn't you upgrade to a better pass rusher if you had the opportunity?

Jason Taylor has always been a better player than Greg Ellis.