If Taylor for Ellis really happened...

[Hostile]

But why wouldn't you upgrade to a better pass rusher if you had the opportunity?

Jason Taylor has always been a better player than Greg Ellis.

Sometimes it's about time to adjust. Ellis is here, knows the system and is comfortable on the left side of the Field as an OLB.

Taylor is a DE, not an OLB and has played the right side. So you think a guy unfamiliar with the system here could change positions and side of the field and be better than what we have?

I agree with you that Taylor is better, but under the right circumstances. Dallas does not fit those circumstances.

 

[wileedog]

I just don't see how Taylor would be much of an upgrade? He's older, has a more restricting contract, and he hasn't played a single snap in our system. Why would we deal with all this?

Are you kidding me?

Taylor is a consistent year in and year out double digit sack machine.

Ellis did it once his entire career, and needed to have a dominant Ware on the other side to do it.

Taylor is a better athlete in every way. Its not a huge upgrade, but there is no argument that it absolutely is one.

 

[dcfanatic]

I think Taylor winds up in WAS, NO or TAMPA.

 

[wileedog]

Sometimes it's about time to adjust. Ellis is here, knows the system and is comfortable on the left side of the Field as an OLB.

Taylor is a DE, not an OLB and has played the right side. So you think a guy unfamiliar with the system here could change positions and side of the field and be better than what we have?

I agree with you that Taylor is better, but under the right circumstances. Dallas does not fit those circumstances.

Taylor has played 3-4 OLB before, and in fact Ellis has only been doing that a few years himself, one in Wade's system. Add in that Taylor is a far better athlete, particularly in space, and I don't see the problem.

Rushing the passer is not rocket science, and Taylor is better in every way at it than Ellis.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Taylor doesn't fit here. It's not going to happen no matter how many speculate it will. I could see Ellis traded, but not for Taylor.

So true.

Also, true, and -- this was brought up earlier in this most excellent thread-- why would Man Boobs, who hates Taylor, give him to a Super Bowl-contending team? Mein gott! Man Moobs will demand great compensation. And to use the Farmers Branch reasoning: That ain't happening, son.

Too, my boy Jerra has his plate full with the rest of the stars' salaries already.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Are you kidding me?

Taylor is a consistent year in and year out double digit sack machine.

Ellis did it once his entire career, and needed to have a dominant Ware on the other side to do it.

Taylor is a better athlete in every way. Its not a huge upgrade, but there is no argument that it absolutely is one.

Eh, I'll agree that's he's a better athlete but my words take into account the fact that Ellis knows this system, his teammates, and that he is cheaper and already in training camp for us. To turn all of that around, bring in Taylor, train him, and pay the expensive price of doing it, while knowing that he will be retiring in the next couple seasons just does not seem worth it to me still.

Plus, you're right that Taylor is a freak athlete who has the ability to learn the system and be productive, but is he hungry enough to do it? He doesn't seem like one of those veterans desperately seeking a championship and willing to do anything to get it. If he cared so much about football, he wouldn't be on the outs in Miami right now. He'd be productive, but I still don't see reason to forecast a huge gain over Ellis.

 

[Hostile]

Taylor has played 3-4 OLB before, and in fact Ellis has only been doing that a few years himself, one in Wade's system. Add in that Taylor is a far better athlete, particularly in space, and I don't see the problem.

Rushing the passer is not rocket science, and Taylor is better in every way at it than Ellis.

Does Taylor know our plays better than Ellis? That's the bottom line. It usually takes 2 years for a player to get acclimate to a new system. We don't have 2 years.

 

[AbeBeta]

I didn't say we couldn't figure out how to use him. I said he doesn't fit what we have as needs. There's a huge chasm of difference there.

I think your perception of our needs -- although I agree with it -- is far off from Jerry's.

Jerry sees our needs as a) big names and b) guys that fit on the field needs.

 

[Little Jr]

Does Taylor know our plays better than Ellis? That's the bottom line. It usually takes 2 years for a player to get acclimate to a new system. We don't have 2 years.

It would be going from a 3-4 to a 3-4. Ran different? Sure. But Ellis and Ware had no problems picking it up. They both had career years in the 1st year in the system.

As far as him being a DE not a OLB. He won Defensive Player of the year as a OLB.


I'd take Taylor over Ellis any day. Doesnt really matter though because I agree with you that it will not happen.

 

[Seven]

Could we talk about Roy now?

 

[Q_the_man]

Sometimes it's about time to adjust. Ellis is here, knows the system and is comfortable on the left side of the Field as an OLB.

Taylor is a DE, not an OLB and has played the right side. So you think a guy unfamiliar with the system here could change positions and side of the field and be better than what we have?

I agree with you that Taylor is better, but under the right circumstances. Dallas does not fit those circumstances.

Ellis was a DE, then made the Pro bowl as a LB.

I think if we were to trade for Taylor, Qbs would be scare to death having Taylor and Ware come at them... Shoot I say keep Ellis too. Then on 3rd down have Ellis, Taylor and Ware come after the QB....

 

[CrazyCowboy]

We would have a ton of options available with Taylor

 

[Hostile]

It would be going from a 3-4 to a 3-4. Ran different? Sure. But Ellis and Ware had no problems picking it up. They both had career years in the 1st year in the system.

As far as him being a DE not a OLB. He won Defensive Player of the year as a OLB.


I'd take Taylor over Ellis any day. Doesnt really matter though because I agree with you that it will not happen.

Ellis was a DE, then made the Pro bowl as a LB.

I think if we were to trade for Taylor, Qbs would be scare to death having Taylor and Ware come at them... Shoot I say keep Ellis too. Then on 3rd down have Ellis, Taylor and Ware come after the QB....

You guys go right on dreaming about this. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but by all means continue to delude yourselves.

 

[Sarge]

You guys go right on dreaming about this. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but by all means continue to delude yourselves.

Exactly.............. :horse:

 

[Hostile]

I think your perception of our needs -- although I agree with it -- is far off from Jerry's.

Jerry sees our needs as a) big names and b) guys that fit on the field needs.

I don't agree with this. Some fans wish he would, but he doesn't. You make him out to be someone who basically says "Oooh, pretty," and can't help himself. I can probably name a dozen "pretty names" he has passed on in the last 2 years.

I agree Taylor is a better player. He's not going to trade a Pro Bowl OLB who knows the system and fits to roll the dice that Taylor would fit even better. I'm sorry, but that's just "ooh pretty" thinking.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You guys go right on dreaming about this. It doesn't make a lick of sense, but by all means continue to delude yourselves.

As is often the case, I agree with you 100% on this one.

Personally I think Ellis that if Spencer was hurt, that Ellis would play the SSOLB position at a higher level than Taylor. Taylor isn't built to play on the strong-side.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't agree with this. Some fans wish he would, but he doesn't. You make him out to be someone who basically says "Oooh, pretty," and can't help himself. I can probably name a dozen "pretty names" he has passed on in the last 2 years.

I agree Taylor is a better player. He's not going to trade a Pro Bowl OLB who knows the system and fits to roll the dice that Taylor would fit even better. I'm sorry, but that's just "ooh pretty" thinking.

Ooh pretty... Adam Jones.

Ooh pretty... Terrell Owens.

Hell, we might even be looking at ooh pretty.... Felix Jones.

Are these guys who fill a need? Sure. But they would do so with pretty much any team as they are top 10 talents at their positions. As is Taylor.

Of course, your "ooh pretty" claim is exaggeration. Jerry has passed up tons of big names as has every owner. But what Taylor brings is serious star power that cuts across many areas - he's a very marketable commodity and that sparks the businessman in Jerry.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ooh pretty... Adam Jones.

Ooh pretty... Terrell Owens.

Hell, we might even be looking at ooh pretty.... Felix Jones.

Are these guys who fill a need? Sure. But they would do so with pretty much any team as they are top 10 talents at their positions. As is Taylor.

Of course, your "ooh pretty" claim is exaggeration. Jerry has passed up tons of big names as has every owner. But what Taylor brings is serious star power that cuts across many areas - he's a very marketable commodity and that sparks the businessman in Jerry.

He also brings a huge paycheck (almost twice the cost of Ellis), a lack of experience playing the strong-side LB position in the 3-4 and it's not really a position of need at this point. Go back to 1992, when we had no pass rushers, then it was a great move picking up Charles Haley.

On top of everything else I don't think Taylor has the drive. He's gone "Hollywood".

At twice the cost, Taylor isn't twice the player Ellis is. Not too mention that Ellis is probably better against the run at this point, and he's no slouch rushing the passer either.

 

[khiladi]

He also brings a huge paycheck (almost twice the cost of Ellis), a lack of experience playing the strong-side LB position in the 3-4 and it's not really a position of need at this point.

Actually, I believe Mickey already pointed out that Taylor's contract would be less of an impact on Dallas than Greg Ellis this year...

 

[Hostile]

Ooh pretty... Adam Jones.

Ooh pretty... Terrell Owens.

Hell, we might even be looking at ooh pretty.... Felix Jones.

Are these guys who fill a need? Sure. But they would do so with pretty much any team as they are top 10 talents at their positions. As is Taylor.

Of course, your "ooh pretty" claim is exaggeration. Jerry has passed up tons of big names as has every owner. But what Taylor brings is serious star power that cuts across many areas - he's a very marketable commodity and that sparks the businessman in Jerry.

Two players at obvious need positions. A bit different than the "swap up" you're advocating.

Sean Alexander
Chris Henry (despite a need)
Daunte Culpepper
Adam Archuleta
Jevon Kearse
Isaac Bruce (despite a need)
DeAngelo Hall
Dan Morgan
Koren Robinson
Kalimba Edwards
Kevin Jones
Odell Thurman

Not to mention didn't trade up for McFadden despite 8 million rumors and guarantees he would.

That's just the 2008 off season.