If the Cowboys don't go heavy in FA, why not re-sign Dak?

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We have $40M in cap for Dak next year, even though he has already been paid that money. So even if we signed Dak to an 4 year $55M contract, with the $40M in cap still owed it would still average $65M.
That's if he stays at 55M this year. What's the point of paying all that money if the Cowboys have to keep restructuring his contract to compete? As you can see, he's 21% against the cap this year.
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
Extending Dak is going to be a colossal mistake. Wait and see.
 

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Probably yes. In 2021 the Lions did 3 things. They hired a new GM, head coach, and traded Stafford. The two first rounders probably helped them build. But new management helped them turn that around quick. Stafford spent a lifetime under crap management in Detroit.
Yeah and that’s kind of my point. Goff is getting credit for this Lions turn around and it seems to be unwarranted.
 

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Goff was traded from the Super Bowl team, what does that tell you? Solely blaming 1 position for the failure of the team is super short sighted. Why did Goff not reach the super bowl last season? That was a huge choke job in San Fran by him but yet he's getting a pass and not Solely receiving criticism like Dak would've, even from our own fans.
That argument would gave merit if he hadn't just taken the Detroit Lions to the NFCCG.
 

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Are the Lions not contenders if they kept Stafford?
Honestly probably not. Not saying Goff is some savior, but they received 6 draft picks coming back to Detroit in that deal, none of them lower than a 3rd rounder. I think Detroit had the right idea in moving Stafford, and had the best buy low candidate they could have gotten in Goff. I also think it's a mistake to pay him now though. That team is a legit contender because of the depth of that roster, not because of the QB. IMO Jared Goff is a perfect example of how we overrate QBs in the modern era. Moving on from a QB helped them get to the next level, and Jared Goff has shown that he's pretty good when surrounded by talent at every position group, but pretty flawed when he doesn't have a great supporting cast.
 

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It blows me away to hear another man say what another man should get on his paycheck. I mean...think about this...if someone who has not had step foot in any man's role, shoes, or has his skillset to say what he should be making....is somewhat disturbing. Let another man determine what you should be making and it's a different ballgame. Stay out of that man's pockets.
If that man is deciding whether I should be making $45MM or $60MM I'm OK with that. It's ridiculous to compare this to the average american worker IMO. Dak can make more money in one year that 99% of the fans will make in their lifetimes, yet these same fans are the reason Dak is given the opportunity to make generational wealth for playing a game. Fans should be more than welcome to have an opinion on player salaries.
 

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Yeah, based on what Goff got and his playoff success, I don't think Dak deserves more than 53 mil. He'll probably get more because of the market, but Goff has been to two championship games and a Super Bowl. Dak has two playoff wins in 9 seasons. That's unacceptable. If it's me, Dak deserves somewhere in the 45-50 mil range.
Mods...please please please clean this stuff up
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
I've begun to come to that conclusion as well. I would hope they'd actually spend if they didn't have that franchise qb money to worry about, BUT let's be honest..it's a long shot.

My preference is still the unlikely event Lance balls out this pre-season and we give him a shot.
 

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It blows me away to hear another man say what another man should get on his paycheck. I mean...think about this...if someone who has not had step foot in any man's role, shoes, or has his skillset to say what he should be making....is somewhat disturbing. Let another man determine what you should be making and it's a different ballgame. Stay out of that man's pockets.
Kind of par for the course. My whole career politicians (other men, who COULDN'T walk in my shoes) have decided my salary.
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
Looks like a set up and then have money for the New coach to play with next year
 

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Would this team go out and get the top DT, RB or LB on the free agent market if we had a QB on a rookie deal or even between 20-30 mil a year? Probably not.

I'm not on the Dak bandwagon, but the best bet is probably extending Dak and shoring up the run offense AND defense.
Why not re-sign Dak . . . that's a good question -- possibly a good one for Jerry and Stephen to answer. So far, what Jerry has indicated, it seems because he's finally become disgusted with the amounts of money he's overspending on Dak (and his teammates) to win more in the playoffs and perhaps even a SB, as well. Jerry is nearing the end of the line for himself and getting desperate to solidify his legacy.

Of course, that's to say the FO might be eventually inclined to extend Dak long enough to either win more, or otherwise, acquire a QB to replace him for less money and secure more "bang for the bucks." It's ever so much about the dough-re-mi.
Apparently, that's just how this FO and its management rolls. :grin:
 
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BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SALARY CAP ROOM.

Geeez, are you guys just dense, or just don't want to see the obvious?
 

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It blows me away to hear another man say what another man should get on his paycheck. I mean...think about this...if someone who has not had step foot in any man's role, shoes, or has his skillset to say what he should be making....is somewhat disturbing. Let another man determine what you should be making and it's a different ballgame. Stay out of that man's pockets.
Very strange post. You do understand that fans only care what a player makes as it concerns the salary cap, right?

Maybe you're the only one concerned about what another man makes?
 

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You’re right they won’t spend the money somewhere else. They don’t want to extend Dak because he’s had long enough to win a superbowl and it didn’t happen. Plus a new coach coming in will want his type of QB.
 

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BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SALARY CAP ROOM.

Geeez, are you guys just dense, or just don't want to see the obvious?
That's just not true though. The Cowboys have one of the lowest cap numbers in the league over the next 3 seasons, including the 8th lowest cap number in football for 2025. The Cowboys have complete cap flexibility to make whatever moves they want, they simply are choosing not to use it this year. That's not completely a bad thing as they don't continue to kick the can down the road as they've done time and time again, but don't for one second think that they don't have the ability to. The 2024 cap situation is a total choice by the Jones clan.
 

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Jerry and Stephen would have the rest of the world thinking it's not them to blame at all -- it's everyone else creating their problems! ;)
 

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That's just not true though. The Cowboys have one of the lowest cap numbers in the league over the next 3 seasons, including the 8th lowest cap number in football for 2025. The Cowboys have complete cap flexibility to make whatever moves they want, they simply are choosing not to use it this year. That's not completely a bad thing as they don't continue to kick the can down the road as they've done time and time again, but don't for one second think that they don't have the ability to. The 2024 cap situation is a total choice by the Jones clan.
Everyone has the ability to push stuff into future years, doesn't mean they have salary cap room.
 

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Everyone has the ability to push stuff into future years, doesn't mean they have salary cap room.
Sure it does. Paying bonus money now allows teams to move that cap number around. I’m going off estimates here but as of right now the cowboys have roughly $62M in cap space for 2025, $170M in 2026, and $250M in 2027.

They have some of the most cap flex in football right now and by a large margin. To compare a team like Philly is roughly $120M under the cap for those three years where the cowboys are just under $500M.
 

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That's if he stays at 55M this year. What's the point of paying all that money if the Cowboys have to keep restructuring his contract to compete? As you can see, he's 21% against the cap this year.
He is not. GM Jethro made it that way by choice. Huge difference. His contract this year was for $29M + his prorated signing bonus. Total I believe was $42M.
 

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Why are we mentioning signing free agents like it's the start of free agency, it's the end, the bottom barrel portion and we're still not looking at anyone
 
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