If the deflategate concludes without the Patriots returning the trophy

[Rogah]

However, letting Brady have an advantage of knowing every defense he was going to face, play after play, gave him the confidence he lacked,

Yeah. Sure. Because there's one thing Brady has shown is a complete lack of confidence in his own abilities. I mean, for Pete's sake, it took him 4 full years as a starter to win his first 3 Super Bowls..!!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

There is a shred of what you say that is worthy of discussion, the bulk of what you are trying to say is, of course, nonsense. I've wondered for a while why the Patriots didn't have a worse record after their cheating was brought to light. They are smart in the draft, Belicheck is a good motivator, etc. However, letting Brady have an advantage of knowing every defense he was going to face, play after play, gave him the confidence he lacked, and was the best training a young quarterback could have.
After the crutch of repulsive cheating was taken away, he retained his experience, and was able to benefit from his cheating. Some might say that he could have done it without cheating, but because he chose to cheat, that "could have" will FOREVER BE HYPOTHETICAL. *

Can you imagine if all young quarterbacks got their first few years of knowing in game defensive calls well before the snap? They would have paid well for that privilege.

But, for a young quarterback, that was a DECIDED COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. or else the P*tri*ts would have never risked the cheating. Motive does matter in determining cheating. They thought, at the time, that it would help them. Whether or not it helped, has NOTHING to do with right and wrong. Comparing performance after cheating leads only to wi****l hypotheticals about not cheating, put proves nothing.

It certainly explains why a 6th round pick, longshot, would have the early success he had. What you posted is something Ive thot for years. Nobody is willing to acknowledge it tho.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah. Sure. Because there's one thing Brady has shown is a complete lack of confidence in his own abilities. I mean, for Pete's sake, it took him 4 full years as a starter to win his first 3 Super Bowls..!!

Winning Super Bowls certainly is the norm for a 6th round pick early in his carer. The cheating is not only the most plausible explanation for his early success, but almost a given for anyone willing to be honest and objective.

 

[Rogah]

I gotta say you have a bigger imagination than a 4 yr old kid. And you can spin better than Pelosi, Reid, Biden and that whole bunch combined.

Why would the league suspect that balls that had been checked and certified by a league official, prior to the game, were tampered with?

Child, if you want to discuss this issue with adults, it would help if you were actually, you know, like, you know, actually following the latest news on the story that the rest of us are discussing.

Newsflash: Yesterday, the Colts GM Ryan Grigson announced that he informed the League during the week prior to the CCG of his suspicions that the Patriots were tampering with footballs. Unless he's lying, some people (person?) in the league office knew about these allegations PRIOR to the game itself and allowed the game to proceed as normal with the plan to check the balls at halftime. By an amazing coincidence, a high ranking NFL executive who hates Belichick and the Patriots was on the Colts sideline prior to halftime of that same game.

So the league essentially allowed 30 minutes of a Conference Championship Game to be played with equipment they suspected was tampered with.

 

[Rogah]

Winning Super Bowls certainly is the norm for a 6th round pick early in his carer. The cheating is not only the most plausible explanation for his early success, but almost a given for anyone willing to be honest and objective.

The guy is arguably the greatest QB of all time (certainly in the top 5) playing with arguably the greatest coach of all time (certainly in the top 5). No, what he did was not normal. Winning championships at a faster rate than other players is not evidence of cheating and only a complete moron would honestly believe so.

Your jealousy is very unbecoming a Cowboys fan. Please go hang out with Iggles fans; you'll fit in much better there. You're just an embarrassment here.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

So the league essentially allowed 30 minutes of a Conference Championship Game to be played with equipment they suspected was tampered with.

With footballs that had been checked and certified before the game - which, ya know, meant the balls had been checked and were w/in the guidelines. So why would the league think that balls they had just checked would be tampered with?

You make absolutely no sense with this foolishness. You act as if the league never checked the balls prior to the game. You know a Conference Championship Game.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

The guy is arguably the greatest QB of all time (certainly in the top 5) playing with arguably the greatest coach of all time (certainly in the top 5). No, what he did was not normal. Winning championships at a faster rate than other players is not evidence of cheating and only a complete moron would honestly believe so.

Your jealousy is very unbecoming a Cowboys fan. Please go hang out with Iggles fans; you'll fit in much better there. You're just an embarrassment here.

 

[Rogah]

With footballs that had been checked and certified before the game - which, ya know, meant the balls had been checked and were w/in the guidelines. So why would the league think that balls they had just checked would be tampered with?

You make absolutely no sense with this foolishness. You act as if the league never checked the balls prior to the game. You know a Conference Championship Game.

You obviously don't have the first clue what this whole thing is about so I guess I have to take you to school:

1) Everyone know the referees check the footballs prior to the game. Any balls not in range simply get inflated (or deflated) to proper levels by the referees. They do this all year long, not just in the playoffs (only the Super Bowl has spearate procedures). Believe it or not, if a ball is not properly inflated when the referees check them, they don't start a federal investigation. The refs simply fill the ball up to proper levels.

2) The accusation is that somewhere between the referees checking/fixing the balls and the start of the game, the Patriots are secretly letting air out of them. Of course, there is absolutely zero evidence to support any of this other than a 70 year old man who had to take a leak.... but since when does lack of evidence matter to people like you with obsessive jealously of another team's success?

3) The reason why the league thought the Patriots were tampering with the game balls (after them being approved by the refs) is because the General Manager of the Indianapolis Colts called up the league offices and told him of his suspicions. (It is absolutely possible that Grigson was lying, but that was the claim he made just yesterday and he sure sounds like a man trying to get out his explanation because he knows what the investigators already found out.)

4) So what was the league's response? Well, they decided to let 30 minutes of a Conference Championship Game be played out so they could check the balls at halftime.

5) Your jealousy is very unbecoming a Cowboys fan. Please go hang out with Iggles fans; you'll fit in much better there. You're just an embarrassment here.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You obviously don't have the first clue what this whole thing is about so I guess I have to take you to school:

1) Everyone know the referees check the footballs prior to the game. Any balls not in range simply get inflated (or deflated) to proper levels by the referees. They do this all year long, not just in the playoffs (only the Super Bowl has spearate procedures). Believe it or not, if a ball is not properly inflated when the referees check them, they don't start a federal investigation. The refs simply fill the ball up to proper levels.

2) The accusation is that somewhere between the referees checking/fixing the balls and the start of the game, the Patriots are secretly letting air out of them. Of course, there is absolutely zero evidence to support any of this other than a 70 year old man who had to take a leak.... but since when does lack of evidence matter to people like you with obsessive jealously of another team's success?

3) The reason why the league thought the Patriots were tampering with the game balls (after them being approved by the refs) is because the General Manager of the Indianapolis Colts called up the league offices and told him of his suspicions. (It is absolutely possible that Grigson was lying, but that was the claim he made just yesterday and he sure sounds like a man trying to get out his explanation because he knows what the investigators already found out.)

4) So what was the league's response? Well, they decided to let 30 minutes of a Conference Championship Game be played out so they could check the balls at halftime.

5) Your jealousy is very unbecoming a Cowboys fan. Please go hang out with Iggles fans; you'll fit in much better there. You're just an embarrassment here.

Ive never met any fans more delusional than Commanders fans. Eagles fans are right there as well, but not in the top spot with Skins fans.

Since this whole deflategate thing started you have shown yourself to be more delusional than ANY football fan I have ever met or interacted with. You have created your own reality on all of this and are desperately hoping that somebody, anybody, will go along with your nonsense. When the rest of the world says the sky is blue, you say no its green. When the rest of the world says that grass is green you say no its purple. When the rest of the world says water is wet you say no its dry. When the rest of the world says snow and ice are cold, you say no its warm.

Previously I thot there is no way that any sane person would believe half of the stuff you have been making up so I didnt think you actually believed most of what you had been posting. Now, . . . . . . .Im inclined to think that you are just extremely delusional. There is no other explanation that a sane person could come up with.

 

[Rogah]

Ive never met any fans more delusional than Commanders fans. Eagles fans are right there as well, but not in the top spot with Skins fans.

Since this whole deflategate thing started you have shown yourself to be more delusional than ANY football fan I have ever met or interacted with. You have created your own reality on all of this and are desperately hoping that somebody, anybody, will go along with your nonsense. When the rest of the world says the sky is blue, you say no its green. When the rest of the world says that grass is green you say no its purple. When the rest of the world says water is wet you say no its dry. When the rest of the world says snow and ice are cold, you say no its warm.

Previously I thot there is no way that any sane person would believe half of the stuff you have been making up so I didnt think you actually believed most of what you had been posting. Now, . . . . . . .Im inclined to think that you are just extremely delusional. There is no other explanation that a sane person could come up with.

You can always tell someone is full of **** when they call someone else delusional without specifying what, precisely, that person is delusional about. BTW, if you want to talk about "the rest of the world" then you should be aware that most football fans are coming around to siding with the Patriots. Sure there are still angry, bitter holdouts such as yourself clinging desperately to the notion that they are guilty until proven innocent, but their numbers are dwindling.

So tell us all... What is it that I have said that has your panties so in a bunch?

You know just about everything I have said is spot on, but your jealousy prevents you from admitting it. So you just fall back on the last resort of the defeated: personal attacks.

Congratulations on sounding like an Eagles fan.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Winning Super Bowls certainly is the norm for a 6th round pick early in his carer. The cheating is not only the most plausible explanation for his early success, but almost a given for anyone willing to be honest and objective.

Yeah that's a really objective observation about the career leader in almost every meaningful stat and 4-time champ.

I've seen Brady play in person dozens of times and he's almost always the best player on the field.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Cheating is cheating. The intent to cheat is the problem. Carrying out the cheating is the issue. Not the record.

That wasn't he question. The question is why you guys care so much about an 8 year old infraction which history has clearly shown gave NE no competitive advantage on the field. A team you hardly ever compete against.

Where are the threads about SF or Denver blatantly circumventing the salary cap, directly contributing to their championships? Or more recently, the Saints and bounty gate? Atlanta pumping noise into the stadium? It's clearly only about NE with you, and I frankly don't get it. I recall we blew your doors in during the 2007 season and kept the pedal to the medal to the very end - did that scar you this bad? That's all I can think of.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

You guys are priceless!



Meeting here daily. On a Dallas Cowboys forum.

One cannot make this stuff up.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Ive never met any fans more delusional than Commanders fans. Eagles fans are right there as well, but not in the top spot with Skins fans.

Since this whole deflategate thing started you have shown yourself to be more delusional than ANY football fan I have ever met or interacted with. You have created your own reality on all of this and are desperately hoping that somebody, anybody, will go along with your nonsense. When the rest of the world says the sky is blue, you say no its green. When the rest of the world says that grass is green you say no its purple. When the rest of the world says water is wet you say no its dry. When the rest of the world says snow and ice are cold, you say no its warm.

Previously I thot there is no way that any sane person would believe half of the stuff you have been making up so I didnt think you actually believed most of what you had been posting. Now, . . . . . . .Im inclined to think that you are just extremely delusional. There is no other explanation that a sane person could come up with.

#HOMERUNPOST!

 

[jimmy40]

That wasn't he question. The question is why you guys care so much about an 8 year old infraction which history has clearly shown gave NE no competitive advantage on the field. A team you hardly ever compete against.

Where are the threads about SF or Denver blatantly circumventing the salary cap, directly contributing to their championships? Or more recently, the Saints and bounty gate? Atlanta pumping noise into the stadium? It's clearly only about NE with you, and I frankly don't get it. I recall we blew your doors in during the 2007 season and kept the pedal to the medal to the very end - did that scar you this bad? That's all I can think of.

because you guys won 3 out of 4 just like us and that makes thin skinned Cowboys fan's head explode.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

That wasn't he question. The question is why you guys care so much about an 8 year old infraction which history has clearly shown gave NE no competitive advantage on the field. A team you hardly ever compete against.

Where are the threads about SF or Denver blatantly circumventing the salary cap, directly contributing to their championships? Or more recently, the Saints and bounty gate? Atlanta pumping noise into the stadium? It's clearly only about NE with you, and I frankly don't get it. I recall we blew your doors in during the 2007 season and kept the pedal to the medal to the very end - did that scar you this bad? That's all I can think of.

Clearly, you miss the point. It doesnt mater if the cheating actually works out favorably or not. In other words whether or not the results show there was an actual advantage to the cheating. The ISSUE is the actual act of CHEATING. Cheaters lack integrity. Cheaters are breaking the rules put in place to keep the playing field fair and level.

Its fans like you that make people hate the Patsies. Rather than admit your team cheated and was rightfully punished for it you pull out the victim card and try to justify the lack of integrity and justify it.

Oh and BTW, are you talking about the 2007 season, the 18-1 season where your team choked in the Big Game?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah that's a really objective observation about the career leader in almost every meaningful stat and 4-time champ.

I've seen Brady play in person dozens of times and he's almost always the best player on the field.

It certainly is a very reasonable explanation of why a young 6th round draft pick could have the early success he had. It makes perfect sense, and yes it is not only objective and honest, but most likely the truth.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You can always tell someone is full of **** when they call someone else delusional without specifying what, precisely, that person is delusional about. BTW, if you want to talk about "the rest of the world" then you should be aware that most football fans are coming around to siding with the Patriots. Sure there are still angry, bitter holdouts such as yourself clinging desperately to the notion that they are guilty until proven innocent, but their numbers are dwindling.

So tell us all... What is it that I have said that has your panties so in a bunch?

You know just about everything I have said is spot on, but your jealousy prevents you from admitting it. So you just fall back on the last resort of the defeated: personal attacks.

Congratulations on sounding like an Eagles fan.

Ive been very polite in my posts replying to your nonsense.

Here's what we know:

-The Pats are a team that has been caught red handed and punished for cheating in the past.
-Belicheat has a reputation for pushing the envelope
-Indy is not the only team that suspected there was something funny about the psi of the balls used by the Patsies this year
-The initial report was that 11 of the 12 Pats balls were 2 psi below regulation and all 12 balls were below the league standard
-The Pats received a slap on the wrist penalty for SpyGate and the NFL couldnt get the evidence to the incinerator fast enough
-Goodell is rather chummy with Krafty - moreso than other owners with the possible exception being Mara, another POS
-The league seems to pander to Krafty and his team
-Now as this has been drug out by the league (something that could have been wrapped up in 24 hrs) the story keeps changing
-We have another independent faux investigation going on, started weeks after the incident took place
-EVERYTHING about this entire mess says COVERUP by the league

This is what we know. Yet you have twisted and spun for days now and have now not only suggested but proclaimed that the league was not only incompetent but intentionally tried to "catch" the Patsies by allowing them to use underinflated balls for a whole 30 mins of a Conference Championship Game in an attempt to "get them." Those would be the same balls that the league checked and certified as being regulation before the game. You've pulled the victim card, and now you've gone beyond that and have now proclaimed that the very league that has a reputation for pandering to Krafty and his boys was acting in a way to catch them doing something. Your whole take, your whole imaginary reality you have created in your own little mind is what is delusional. If anybody is an embarrassment to the family of Cowboys fans, it is you.

 

[Rogah]

Ive been very polite in my posts replying to your nonsense.

Here's what we know:

-The Pats are a team that has been caught red handed and punished for cheating in the past.

True. They got caught filming a man standing in clear view of 80,000 people (not to mention a live TV audience).

-Belicheat has a reputation for pushing the envelope

This statement is too ridiculously vague to label as true or false. What you call "pushing the envelope" other people call "good coaching."

-Indy is not the only team that suspected there was something funny about the psi of the balls used by the Patsies this year

False. The only other complaint came from the Ravens and their complaint made no sense because they were complaining about the kicking balls, which the home team does not handle and those do not count as "balls used by the Patsies." Sorry.

-The initial report was that 11 of the 12 Pats balls were 2 psi below regulation and all 12 balls were below the league standard

It's true that that was the initial report, but that initial report has been contradicted multiple times by multiple media outlets. Even ESPN has given up on that initial report. Anyone being honest about this whole thing would acknowledge that that initial report is out the window. Anyone remaining desparately married to this report is clearly someone not interested in the truth but rather consumed by an obsessive hatred of the Patriots' success.

-The Pats received a slap on the wrist penalty for SpyGate and the NFL couldnt get the evidence to the incinerator fast enough

False. They received what was at the time the strictest team penalty ever levied. It arguably remains the strictest team penalty to this day, but that depends on whether we consider bountygate "team" punishments or "individual" punishments.

-Goodell is rather chummy with Krafty - moreso than other owners with the possible exception being Mara, another POS

False. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest Goodell is "chummy" with Kraft any more than any other long-time owner.

-The league seems to pander to Krafty and his team

False, and I notice you haven't given a single example of such pandering.

-Now as this has been drug out by the league (something that could have been wrapped up in 24 hrs) the story keeps changing

False. Just about everything we know is an unofficial leak. The league itself has said next to nothing, so you cannot accuse the league of "changing the story".

While I feel the league has done a lot wrong, you look silly to criticize them for "changing the story" when they've said virtually nothing and based sole on the fact that mediots make inaccurate reports based on unofficial sources.

-We have another independent faux investigation going on, started weeks after the incident took place

False. There is nothing "faux" about hiring an independent attorney to conduct an independent investigation. He did a good job with the Incognito investigation and there is no reason to believe he won't do a good job here.

Furthermore, Wells was hired 6 days after the AFCCG. Newsflash: 6 days after the game does not count as "weeks after the incident took place" like you say. But that's just more of your dishonest spin at work. Sorry I keep catching you in your lies.

-EVERYTHING about this entire mess says COVERUP by the league

False. Hiring the aforementioned well-known attorney to conduct a thorough and independent investigation says nothing about the league trying to cover anything up.

This is what we know. Yet you have twisted and spun for days now and have now not only suggested but proclaimed that the league was not only incompetent but intentionally tried to "catch" the Patsies by allowing them to use underinflated balls for a whole 30 mins of a Conference Championship Game in an attempt to "get them." Those would be the same balls that the league checked and certified as being regulation before the game. You've pulled the victim card, and now you've gone beyond that and have now proclaimed that the very league that has a reputation for pandering to Krafty and his boys was acting in a way to catch them doing something. Your whole take, your whole imaginary reality you have created in your own little mind is what is delusional. If anybody is an embarrassment to the family of Cowboys fans, it is you.

The only one spinning is you. The undeniable facts are as follows:

1) Everyone know the referees check the footballs prior to the game. Any balls not in range simply get inflated (or deflated) to proper levels by the referees. They do this all year long, not just in the playoffs (only the Super Bowl has spearate procedures). Believe it or not, if a ball is not properly inflated when the referees check them, they don't start a federal investigation. The refs simply fill the ball up to proper levels.

2) The accusation is that somewhere between the referees checking/fixing the balls and the start of the game, the Patriots are secretly letting air out of them. Of course, there is absolutely zero evidence to support any of this other than a 70 year old man who had to take a leak (pardon the pun).... but since when does lack of evidence matter to people like you with obsessive jealously of another team's success?

3) The reason why the league (or an individual league executive) thought the Patriots were tampering with the game balls (after them being approved by the refs) is because the General Manager of the Indianapolis Colts, Ryan Grigson, called up the league offices during the week prior to the AFCCG and told him of his suspicions. (It is absolutely possible that Grigson was lying, but that was the claim he made Thursday and he sure sounds like a man trying to get out his explanation because he knows what the investigators already found out.)

4) So what was the league's representative's response? Well, they decided to let 30 minutes of a Conference Championship Game be played out so they could check the balls at halftime.

5) Your jealousy is very unbecoming a Cowboys fan. Please go hang out with Iggles fans; you'll fit in much better there. You're just an embarrassment here.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Here's what we know:

-The Pats are a team that has been caught red handed and punished for cheating in the past.
-Belicheat has a reputation for pushing the envelope
-Indy is not the only team that suspected there was something funny about the psi of the balls used by the Patsies this year
-The initial report was that 11 of the 12 Pats balls were 2 psi below regulation and all 12 balls were below the league standard
-The Pats received a slap on the wrist penalty for SpyGate and the NFL couldnt get the evidence to the incinerator fast enough
-Goodell is rather chummy with Krafty - moreso than other owners with the possible exception being Mara, another POS
-The league seems to pander to Krafty and his team
-Now as this has been drug out by the league (something that could have been wrapped up in 24 hrs) the story keeps changing
-We have another independent faux investigation going on, started weeks after the incident took place
-EVERYTHING about this entire mess says COVERUP by the league

What you have so far is Spygate and possibly Deflategate (ongoing)

You talk as if since 2000 players, coaches, management have a couple of dozen points of Patriot systematic cheating - list them. Links from team sites, online newspapers, sports news sites....stuff more credible than other forums, Twitter, other social media. You are very passionate, but if you have a case, this will be a very easy task, so....

.....DO YOUR JOB!