If The Fans and DFW Media Ran The Cowboys

[Doomsay]

I made it yesterday when my daughter was napping! Its just shots from the game sunday with the video board in the background...and of course mickey promoting that nonsense on special edition like it was important.

Fantastic, it's got a whole Magic Mountain feel to it. Very different from the guy standing next to me @ Foxboro screaming for the entire game: "J..E...T....S.....Suck.....Suck......Suck"

 

[Doomsay]

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Thanks, I missed this - it's so real in HD. I think that I was cowering away in the kitchen making a sandwich hoping that my absence would improve their luck somehow.

 

[rcaldw]

I liked Norv originally also, and took a lot of "your stupid" over it too.

We would have a true football guy as the GM. Not sure who it would be, but he would be a true football guy. So all would be right in the world. Just accept that as fact and you avoid the headaches. It used to be we looked forward to Stephen Jones taking the helm. That went south today I guess. Anonymous True Football guy, we are looking for you. I hope you don't have a contract with some other team because that would be tampering.

I have no idea who the Head Coach would be. There doesn't seem to be a consensus. Suddenly once again Norv Turner seems to be the choice, even though I only remember dbair1967 liking that idea when we all thought it was Norv.
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[Hostile]

Yah know, Hos, posts like this are so disengenuous and it kills me the condesention you use here and the circular logic.

Hiya TD. Let me start by addressing the circular logic. It isn't mine. These are things that posters have squawked about this year.

Look, sometimes posters are right about stuff, sometimes they are wrong, and sometimes they are way off base. It happens to all of us doesn't it? I don't know anyone who bats 1.000 about football. Never met one single person who can.

Was it condescending? I don't know. That wasn't the intent. The intent was to poke fun at our foibles. Several people got it. A few didn't generally the few who are already offended when they see I'm the author of a post. Not always though.

1st. Stephen Jones came out a few years ago when asked and said he would not be the GM when the time comes. So the idea that people don't like Jerry running the team and would hire a GM have a point. That doesn't preclude Stephen running the team as President. It merely puts a real football guy and talent evaluator in charge with his job on the line if he screws up.

Which is not the case now. Jerry won't fire Jerry.

I will be honest with you TD, I am engrossed in all information about the Cowboys and I do not remember Stephen ever saying that. That doesn't mean he didn't. I just don't remember it.

Let me be blunt, I do make fun of the "real football guy" stuff. Probably more than I should. I just find the whole angle of whining about Jerry to be laughable because he isn't going to leave. It's kind of like me griping about how hot it is here in July. I live in Tucson. Of course it's hot. What good does griping do me? Not one blessed bit of good.

I think there is a little too much emphasis put on who the GM of any football team is. Quite frankly I don't care who the GM is as long as the guy does a passable job. IMO (and Lord knows no one has to agree with me) Jerry does a passable job. I openly confess that I don't see the big puppet master Owner/GM that other people do and even if he is some kind of Geppetto, I think the job being done isn't horrible.

How else can you explain to me the scouting department finding Tony Romo, Miles Austin, and Kevin Ogeltree? One of our finds was Matt Moore. He might be the Panthers starting QB this week. Another was Danny Amendola, he's also starting, albeit for the Rams. Ours is a fairly well put together scouting department. I have a lot of faith in Tom Ciskowski, just as I had faith in Jeff Ireland (until I learned he was a Kicker at Baylor) and Brian Gaine too.

2. I liked Norv of the list of candidates when Wade was hired. But to be sure, if you hire a man to be the GM, then his choice will be for the betterment of the team with his background in working his way up into the position as his foundation dictates instead of a man buying the team and naming himself GM.

In my not so humble opinion, who the Head Coach is, is more important than who the GM is. As good as Tex Shramm was, it is still Tom Landry who built the franchise into the dynasty it became. I am not a fan of Wade. I have never denied that. Good guy, decent DC. I don't think he is good enough to be the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. I really don't. I believe we deserve the very best. IMO that is Bill Belichick. However, I don't see him coming here any time soon.

Sometimes it is best to put aside the pipe dreams (like Jimmy Johnson saving us) and focus on the real world.

The mere fact you are taking a position that removing Jerry wouldn't be a good idea is curious.

Actually, I have never said this. You think I wouldn't welcome Ron Wolf, Ozzie Newsome, Mike Holmgren, or Bill Polian as a GM here? Of course I would. Don't be silly.

It isn't going to happen. I am sorry to throw cold water on Cowboys fan nation, but you talk about living in a fantasy world. It is a fantasy to think Jerry is going to step aside until he actually does. I see no point whatsoever in harping on it. Does it make anyone feel any better? If so, how? Why does it have to offend people to say something honest?

3. The OC and DC would be who the person that was hired to make that call would hire. Speculation is pointless. And criticizing names tossed out here is moot.

No, it's freedom of speech.

Let me ask this. Last year what we needed from an OC was someone who could teach Tony Romo not to turn the ball over at critical times. Is that not true? Have you looked at the guy's performance? Is he turning the ball over like in previous years? The OC must be doing something right.

Look, I get it. He is Jerry's guy so he's going to be hated. Why not just be honest about that rather than go on a witch hunt? The guy is wrong if he throws the ball and he's wrong if he runs the ball. The honest to goodness truth is he's a great OC and the players like and respect him.

Again, this is hire the right guy or lose your job for the GM. The problem with this team at this point is no one holds the players responsible for their actions. Wade is a milque-toast who defers to Jerry who isn't qualified to make a decision.

Sometimes the right guy is the property of another team. A la Bill Belichick. I think we deserve the best. That guy is the best. We can't have him. I understand that.

Now tell me about the drafts recently and then show me the winning record. We have signed long term and big contracts to people who may never live up to them.

I'm not sure what you want to know about them TD. I happen to think Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, and many of the recent Draft picks are pretty darn good football players.

Are we in cap hell? Read Adam's thread in the Daily Zone. No, we aren't. Is there any player we will absolutely lose to someone else? Not if we want to keep him. That is the function of the GM and his staff and right now it is folly to say they have us with our backs up against the wall.

I am a huge Roy Williams fan, but truth is he is so overpaid and Jerry gave the farm away and a hefty salary to get him.

Okay. No other GM in the NFL overpays for a player? Let me introduce you to Jake Delhomme. Did you know Manning is the highest paid QB in the NFL? Not Peyton, Eli. Did you know the Chargers traded away Drew Brees? Luckily for them Phillip Rivers has paid off. Remember when Byron Leftwich was the next Dan Marino?

The NFL is hit and miss. Not the Dallas Cowboys are hit and miss. Every single team faces the same trials. Do you want to sit there and tell me no other team has ever reached for a Quincy Carter? You can't do it with a straight face. It bit us in the ***. So what? We've got a great guy now.

The team moves on. It is always fluid.

He signed Romo when he could have merely franchised him for one year and bought him cheap after last year's results. Romo is worth his money. Do not misunderstand. But a business decision without passion is what is needed and not some guy who gets a Viagra woody over some player that looks good in the shower and reaches for his checkbook.

If Romo is worth the money then what exactly is the gripe? I don't get that. "Damnit we got Tony Romo and thank God."

He is about to pay a King's Ransom for Austin when the kid has shown promise but is far too inconsistent as yet. Plus Austin's agent will cite the Roy Williams contract then pull out this year's stats and say - you paid him for this production, my guy produced more, pay us.

Welcome to the NFL TD3. If Jerry lets Austin walk away will the fans and media praise him? Come on, you know better than that.

Jerry will talk tough but in the end he will pay Austin like he was Larry Fitzgerald.

But no other team does this right? Is that your story? How many examples do you want me to give you of guys getting a big payday after one solid year? You know I can do it from memory. Just tell me how many to bring up?

4. The Romo premise is ludicrous. I have been one of his biggest critics.

But look at what I have consistently said. Not what some of the geniuses on this site have suggested I have said.

Reduce turnovers and make smart decisions. Protect the ball.

Romo has delivered. And that is all I have asked of him. He has surpassed what my expectations are for his play this year.

TD, I am going to be honest here. I cannot for the life of me look at my OP and determine why you think my comments about Romo are directed at you. Yet here you are saying "look at what I said" not what other fans have said. But that isn't the thread title. I didn't say "If TwoDeep and the DFW Media ran the Cowboys." I never said it at all.

Romo would have been ridden out of town on a rail if you listened to some fans. That is irrefutable. Ludicrous? No, that would be assuming I meant you and no one else when you admit others do harbor those opinions of him.

So angry fans popping off don't factor into your scenario, because that is emotion rather than the calm calculating comments when we are not in the gloaming of a loss.

TD, that is kind of the whole point of the thread. That if we made every decision based upon immediate emotions it is nothing but popping off.

5. I did not see one person on any board suggest Terrell Owens and Matt Jones should be the starters.

Which obviously means I couldn't have seen it either right? Come on man.

I have seen people who think Owens should never have been released.

You just said you haven't seen people suggest he shouldn't be a starter here. So you think he would accept being a backup? Uh, I don't.

To that they need to look at the offense that is still in the top five without him for their answer.

I agree, but we both know that doesn't happen.

As far as Matt Jones goes, the comments I have seen, and I read here far more than I post were they wanted a safety net in the event Austin's health became an issue.

I read where Jones last year had better stats than our backup entire WR corps combined. Hence the comment.

I repeat, no team has signed him. So how was Jerry a dunce for not doing it himself? How was Jerry a dunce for letting Terry Glenn go? How was he a dunce for letting TO go? How was he a dunce for believing we had something in Austin? Man, that is one lucky dunce.

Trying to illustrate the absurd by being absurd is better left for Rush Limbaugh.

It is called satire TD. I doubt you are unfamiliar with it.

As far as the rest of your post, the only two things I can agree with are:

A. Tashard Choice should be the starter

B. This isn't Madden

All is not well with this team.

Romo
Witten
Ware
Rat
McBriar
Jenkins (maybe)

These are the people who consistently produce and are play makers.

And I think the list is a bit bigger, but I agree with you that those players stand out.

The rest of the team is filled with people who underachieve, are undisciplined, or are inconsistent with their play.

I disagree with this. I believe several players you didn't name there are solid contributors to the Cowboys and on a fairly consistent basis. A few right off the top of my head are.

Brooking
James
Spencer
Davis
Gurode
Spears
Kosier

Several others can have times when they look dominant. Every team has players who have a horrible day. Players can have a horrible season. That doesn't mean that they have no business being in the NFL.

The coaching staff holds no one accountable for their mistakes.

Keith Brooking said they do. I should believe you or Keith Brooking?

Forgive me, I believe him.

The management - read Jerry Jones - allows access to someone above the head coach, and meddles in the team's goals in the press and presumably in private.

There is a reason this team has had fourteen years worth of disappointment.

I think this is exaggerated. I see nothing from players or coaches who have left here that suggests this is rampant or disruptive.

There are people who express their concerns and are considered Negative Nancy's.

Most of those guys today look pretty dang smart, frankly. They have been saying this isn't a great team all the while others have assured it is a contender on sites like this.

I will make sure to buy all of them some brownies.

I honestly don't know what you want me to tell you here TD. Do you want me to post a thread praising them for good guesses?

I respect you, Hos. We go way back. But the implied message here is wrong.

The respect is mutual and I have been wrong before. I really don't care.

The record of this team for the last decade and more indicates business as usual gets us exactly what we see right now.

An uninspired team looking for a warm spot on the pavement to lay down.

And I see a team going in the right direction, but not quite there yet. Please note, at no time this season have I said this is a Super Bowl team. I do not believe we are. I believe we can win the NFC East and a playoff game. If we don't then it is disappointing and I put the blame squarely at Wade Phillips feet. IMO that is where it belongs.

If he cares about his perception and legacy he will have this team ready. If he doesn't, he'll be gone. I can accept either solution. I prefer he actually win something in the post season.

Lastly, speaking of disingenuous, how about pointing that finger of blame at those who crow about 13 years of post season futility as if the teams we sent to the post season were horrible teams? Is that too much to ask? If so, tell me why. Tell me why in 1996 when it was still Jimmy's team they sucked if Jimmy was so amazing? Tell me why a slick football and one bobble means the whole team sucked. Tell me why the NY Giants can't be simply praised for being a team of destiny who got hot at the right time? Why does it have to be that Dallas sucked?

Don't talk to me about disingenuous and forget to mention these things in the same breath. Contrary to the belief of some I am not stupid about football in any way, shape, or form. I know better. You know better. Just because I refuse to let bitterness cloud my judgment doesn't mean I don't possess some.

Where did you see me saying the 2003 playoff team was anything but smoke and mirrors and a legendary football coach willing us to the post season? Oh, that's right, you didn't did you? There are times when a team flat out sucks. The Dave Campo years come quickly to mind. There are times when a team over achieves and is in over their heads. 2003 comes quickly to mind. If you want me to sit here and say that 2006 and 2007 we had horrible football teams, well, I'm going to argue that with anyone and I don't care who gets their panties in a wad over it.

Let's focus on one simple little fact about those 2 teams and let it drop. Back to back seasons of scoring over 400+ points. 425 in 2006 and 455 in 2007. Anyone who wants to tell me that means they were bad teams is so full of crap that paying attention to them means you get crap all over you because they ooze it. Those two teams did not get it done. I have never denied that, but "bad teams?"

When I see you stand up to those posters I will take back the label of disingenuous that I just applied. Let's be damned serious here. They will never take back the ones they throw around like they know something that we all are blind to.

Give me a huge frigging break. You want to compare genuine, tell me who you would come to and ask a football related question if you want an honest or informed answer, me or them? Tell me who you would come to to be on your side in a debate that you wanted to win, me or them? Tell me who you would ask if you needed a kidney, me or them? Tell me who you'd trust with donation money, me or them?

I'm the disingenuous one? I have my flaws, no doubt. I am arrogant as accused. I am head strong as accused. But TD, I am always honest and you know it. That is why so many people can't stand my opinions when I won't budge from them.

Now, you may think that because I got defensive of the team or heated to close this post that I am offended. Nothing could be further from the truth. You are still one of my oldest and dearest friends on these forums and my respect for you has not dipped one millimeter. Sometimes I add a little mustard for effect TD. You know this. We've discussed it before. Why doubt it now?

Cheers! And you know I mean that.

 

[fgoodwin]

I know this season has us all on edge and more than a little disappointed, and, at this time, none of us has the right answer.

Let's blame it on injuries! Oh wait -- that was last year's excuse . . .

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I can understand where you're coming from as I was a HUGE Steve Smith fan when he was coming out of USC. I was sick to my stomach when he got drafted by the Giants cause I had him pegged as a real good player. He's turned out to be exactly what I thought he could be.

I admit, fully, that I missed on DeSean Jackson cause I honestly didn't think he'd be able to take the beating at the NFL level. He has proved me entirely wrong. Great playmaker.

And I loved Chris Johnson (Till people convinced me he'd have a fumbling problem in the NFL and then I decided I liked the idea of Jones better) but heres the thing on Johnson that everyone, yourself and all the others who love him so much, seem to forget.

What Johnson is doing in Tennessee is because he's the primary, every down, back. He's the guy who carries the load. Even last year when he split time with White he still got the majority.

Here he'd be doing exactly what Felix is doing. Getting 5-8 touches a game, if he's lucky, and he wouldn't be putting up near the numbers here, that he is there, and then Felix would be there putting up bigger numbers cause he's the main guy and everyone would be *****ing and moaning that we passed on Felix for Johnson and what a stupid move it was.

The lack of big plays and chances for Felix has a whole heck of a lot to do with the fact that they don't give him the ball nearly enough.

You put Chris Johnson on this team, give him only 4-5 carries a game, with the defense keying on the fact that he's your most explosive player, and he's going to put up exactly what Felix is cause he's not getting enough chances to break plays wide open like he does in Tennessee.


I love Chris Johnson. He's turned out to be exactly what I thought he could be predraft, and even more since I was worried about him having a fumbling issue I allowed myself to be convinced he would have and he's having zero issues with that.

But he wouldn't be the Chris Johnson you see every week in Tennessee if he were here in Dallas.

Yea, I like MB3 and all but CJ would touch the ball 20 times for us.

And Felix would still be getting injured in Tennessee. And probably struggle b/c he doesnt seem to run well outdoors.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Hiya TD. Let me start by addressing the circular logic. It isn't mine. These are things that posters have squawked about this year.

Look, sometimes posters are right about stuff, sometimes they are wrong, and sometimes they are way off base. It happens to all of us doesn't it? I don't know anyone who bats 1.000 about football. Never met one single person who can.

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Cheers! And you know I mean that.

Brees was a FA.

Miami opted to sign Culpepper instead of Brees b/c they were scared off by a shoulder injury.

 

[trueblue1687]

Apparently someone discovered that he is Jerry's son. I couldn't grasp any other reason for the doubts expressed today, but I'm sick. So it may have gone right over my head.

The coachable ROy Williams not make the list as the messiah this time?

 

[adbutcher]

Don't know how I missed this post, I guess I have been just a little bit distracted, lol.

Great post sir, great post.

 

[Hostile]

The coachable ROy Williams not make the list as the messiah this time?

You lost me.

 

[adbutcher]

must be tough to be so ... binary.

1 or 0
on or off.

people in that mindset always seem to think that if you don't agree with them, then you can ONLY rest in the total polar opposite in thought.

agreeing differently is just lost on far too many people and your own failure to comprehend that will limit things to only what you can immediately see.

There appear to be a lot of fans bent out of shape over Hos's post. It is to the point of taking it personal. Hos didn't name names so I wonder why all the hit dogs are hollering?

 

[adbutcher]

They would be lucky to field the same starting line up quarter to quarter.


Incompletion..........Your benched.

Drop.....................Your Benched.

2nd Drop...............Your Cut.

Missed Tackle.........Benched

Missed Sack.........Your Cut

False Start............You Cut

Craig

:laugh2:

 

[theebs]

There appear to be a lot of fans bent out of shape over Hos's post. It is to the point of taking it personal. Hos didn't name names so I wonder why all the hit dogs are hollering?

I tried to pull the thread offsides and become the new target, but that fizzled out quick...My fan club is much smaller than hostiles.

 

[adbutcher]

I tried to pull the thread offsides and become the new target, but that fizzled out quick...My fan club is much smaller than hostiles.

This is the cowboyzone, there is enough vitriol for all.

 

[Hostile]

I tried to pull the thread offsides and become the new target, but that fizzled out quick...My fan club is much smaller than hostiles.

:laugh2:

Well, I am your biggest fan so maybe they'll hate you more now. Sorry to do that to you.

 

[iceberg]

I tried to pull the thread offsides and become the new target, but that fizzled out quick...My fan club is much smaller than hostiles.

say something stupid and ... stupid.

all you gotta do these days.

sucks.

 

[iceberg]

You lost me.

i get lost by anyone using crutch phrases like:

coach cupcake
messiah
barbie carpenter
quinthy

if you have to make fun of someone to talk about them, you ain't ****.

i don't need to hear you.

 

[Bach]

Would've won at least a playoff a game in the last 13 years, if not another Super Bowl or two. Jerry's ego is the worst thing that's ever happened to this franchise.

 

[iceberg]

Would've won at least a playoff a game in the last 13 years, if not another Super Bowl or two. Jerry's ego is the worst thing that's ever happened to this franchise.

i think people with 1 minded ***** sessions are the worst thing to happen in life.

that supercedes personal feelings about a game.

 

[Rampage]

i think people with 1 minded ***** sessions are the worst thing to happen in life.

that supercedes personal feelings about a game.

:laugh2: that's you! you complain about people complaining