If the plan is to get Roy Williams WR next year

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stasheroo;2063725 said:
That's my line of thinking as well.

Add a player with his size/speed combination to what the Cowboys currently have.

Who gets single-covered?

Most likely it's Matt Jones.

Now tell me the cornerback who would be a good matchup for him?

The guy has been an underachiever to date, but I don't think the coaching in Jacksonville has helped any.

I think a guy like Ray Sherman could get more out of Jones than the Jags coaches could.


Yeah... a similar analogy is a average pitcher or a old pitcher...throw him in where he is not the ACE.... and voila! You could have something there.


6'6" - He would be great in the end zone.... Fade, he jumps.. no wait... he didnt jump.... TOUCHDOWN

LOL
 

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TobiasEagle77;2063724 said:
I think Ocho Cinco would be a better fit in your offense. And TO might actually be a good mentor for him. I've heard that it will be easier for the Bengals to trade him after June 1st, I don't know if that's true or not. Besides, you guys can't have Roy Williams because the Eagles are going to get him : P. He's a better fit for our offense and younger.

Yeah....riiight...lol

Just give us the old guys......You take the fat ones.....

Seriously though....Roy has made it no secret that he wishes to return to Texas. The Cowboys were his favorite team growing up. I think we have to be the favorites to sign him when he becomes a FA.
 

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YoMick;2063710 said:
I never said we didnt try or havent been trying for those three WR's.

I am just hoping that those possibilites are STILL POSSIBLE....... THIS YEAR!

Also, I never said that any WR would fix "all the problems" or "any problems" for that matter.

sorry - when i see people say we need someone NOW it means (maybe just to me) that NOW that player could help.

i don't see matt jones as much more than camp fodder. it's not as if jacksonville has the top 3 WRs in the game so if jones had potential i'd like to think a team that had him would keep him.

i'm with everyone that i'd like to see some help come through but i'm more into the "valid" help and not just lipstick on a pig.
 

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Spectre;2063681 said:
Still holding out hope I see, Hos?


I just hope it's not Ocho Cinco.
No reason not to. The only thing that has changed is that the Draft has come and gone. All of the other circumstances that led to so much speculation we'd make a run at him have not changed.

I wouldn't be shocked if we made a run at Chad Johnson after June 1. The only reason Cincy turned Washington down is timing. They can't absorb the cap hit this year and despite being a team that is sometimes laughed at for their methods they are not stupid with money like Washington is.

The fact we did not even try and add a WR in this Draft is telling.
 

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iceberg;2063732 said:
sorry - when i see people say we need someone NOW it means (maybe just to me) that NOW that player could help.


Well STILL we are not on the same page.


YES I do believe that a player NOW will help. (not fix all our problems)

I think with the defensive potential with these new additions and someone legit to take pressure off of TO - we could be a force. We could make a legit run at SB. If we dont get someone opposite TO - we dont sustain in the playoffs IMO
 

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iceberg;2063732 said:
sorry - when i see people say we need someone NOW it means (maybe just to me) that NOW that player could help.

i don't see matt jones as much more than camp fodder. it's not as if jacksonville has the top 3 WRs in the game so if jones had potential i'd like to think a team that had him would keep him.

i'm with everyone that i'd like to see some help come through but i'm more into the "valid" help and not just lipstick on a pig.

I would take a look at the entire Jacksonville situation and not just focus on Jones.

How many receivers not named Jimmy Smith or Keenan McCardell have gone there and done well?

Matt Jones isn't the only disappointment the Jaguars have had. And there may be more to that than meets the eye. I'm not letting Jones off the hook here, but I'm pointing out that they've had a few receivers who haven't developed.

And last year's receivers coach had exactly one year's worth of experience so how much quality coaching was the guy getting?

Jones' skillset is arguably better than anyone the Cowboys have not named Owens, and I can't think of another option with better size.

I view this idea as another low risk/high reward scenario, much like Pacman Jones.
 

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Why is Matt Jones "out of favor in Jacksonville?" Could it be that he is not very good? He's just as tall and fast in Jacksonville as he would be in Dallas. And the Jacksonville quarterback is no slouch.

Jacksonville also thinks the team is on the cusp of a championship. Why would they let a good player go?

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stasheroo;2063749 said:
I would take a look at the entire Jacksonville situation and not just focus on Jones.

How many receivers not named Jimmy Smith or Keenan McCardell have gone there and done well?

Matt Jones isn't the only disappointment the Jaguars have had. And there may be more to that than meets the eye. I'm not letting Jones off the hook here, but I'm pointing out that they've had a few receivers who haven't developed.

And last year's receivers coach had exactly one year's worth of experience so how much quality coaching was the guy getting?

Jones' skillset is arguably better than anyone the Cowboys have not named Owens, and I can't think of another option with better size.

I view this idea as another low risk/high reward scenario, much like Pacman Jones.


Interesting.... so what is the scoop on Matt? Is this even a possibility? or are we just wishin' and a hopin' ?
 

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Could you guys imagine this goal line offense:

Owens, 6'3"
Witten, 6'5"
Jones, 6'6"
Bennett, 6'7"

Jump ball anyone?
 

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NickZepp;2063654 said:
We have TO, Crayton, Witten, and Hurd has shown he can do some good things also. Plus we'll use Marion Barber and Felix Jones in the passing game. We have plenty of weapons. Any WR we get this year is a backup.

Sure.....Roy Williams and Anquan Boldin would be backups, maybe they can play special teams too.
 

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Angus;2063752 said:
Why is Matt Jones "out of favor in Jacksonville?" Could it be that he is not very good? He's just as tall and fast in Jacksonville as he would be in Dallas. And the Jacksonville quarterback is no slouch.

Jacksonville also thinks the team is on the cusp of a championship. Why would they let a good player go?

:confused:

I don't think his intensity level matches what Coach Del Rio expects. Some might even call him too laid back. My point is that Del Rio's staff may not be helping Jones all that much either.

And I don't subscribe with the 'if he's so good, why is he available?" mantra. That's a blanket statement. And if you used that all the time, you'd never sign or trade for anybody else's players.

Garrard might be 'no slouch', but he spends a lot more time handing off than he does passing the ball downfield.
 

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I think people are getting way too worked up about our #2 WR. Even if we have Crayton start opposite TO all year we will be fine. We had the best offense in the NFC last season and we didn't even have our #2 in Glenn. The offense was fine, plus Glenn in all likely hood will be back in some capacity. And I don't want to hear well if TO get hurt than we're screwed. Yeah, thanks for stating the obvious if Brady gets hurt for NE than all of a sudden they become a very mediocre team real fast. As much as we are down on Crayton our offense did just fine with him as the #2.
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YoMick;2063742 said:
Well STILL we are not on the same page.


YES I do believe that a player NOW will help. (not fix all our problems)

I think with the defensive potential with these new additions and someone legit to take pressure off of TO - we could be a force. We could make a legit run at SB. If we dont get someone opposite TO - we dont sustain in the playoffs IMO

WHO would help? let's start there. which WR's are out there that could come in and be a solid #2 or even a shared #3 with crayton?

brandon lloyd?

not trying to get sarcastic but i don't see a stop gap measure NOW as helping anything. yes we've got some issues, and yes, jones is looking into it to do what he can. but until someone either agrees to trade a top WR or a solid WR gets cut in the coming months, NOW just isn't going to happen.
 

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jswalker1981;2063770 said:
Sure.....Roy Williams and Anquan Boldin would be backups, maybe they can play special teams too.

They aren't being traded this year.
 

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stasheroo;2063749 said:
I would take a look at the entire Jacksonville situation and not just focus on Jones.

How many receivers not named Jimmy Smith or Keenan McCardell have gone there and done well?

Matt Jones isn't the only disappointment the Jaguars have had. And there may be more to that than meets the eye. I'm not letting Jones off the hook here, but I'm pointing out that they've had a few receivers who haven't developed.

And last year's receivers coach had exactly one year's worth of experience so how much quality coaching was the guy getting?

Jones' skillset is arguably better than anyone the Cowboys have not named Owens, and I can't think of another option with better size.

I view this idea as another low risk/high reward scenario, much like Pacman Jones.

we've got a long list of our own failures at developing a WR. miles austin and hurd both come to mind.

we're not sure about glenn at this point but i do NOT think you'd say jones is better than glenn if glenn can still play at a reasonable level.

otherwise crayton is a proven #3 wr who people will never forgive for 1 missed catch it would seem. forgetting all the clutch catches he made is easy. forgetting 1 bad one is not. so i don't put jones above crayton just yet.

so at this point we're talking about either sharing #3 or a #4 WR.

while matt jones may be the shinest turd in the toilet bowl, he's still a turd and won't do much to help us, imho.
 

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iceberg;2063800 said:
we've got a long list of our own failures at developing a WR. miles austin and hurd both come to mind.

You can't call either one failures at this point. Sam Hurd had 19 catches for 314 yards. 16.5 ypc. Miles Austin had 5 catches for 76 yards. 15 ypc.
 

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NickZepp;2063802 said:
You can't call either one failures at this point.

austin is pretty close. hurd the jury is still out on. but if these two can hang on our roster while we're in desperate need of a WR, then i just don't see how a matt jones will come in and provide better than what we have.

to me he would be the same as a hurd, crayton maybe or austin.
 

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Here are a couple of thoughts from a Cowboy fan in PA:

1.) They could make a run at Roy Williams after the season and not offer T.O. a contract, essentially replacing him. (Owens turns 35 in December)

2.) The Eagles are still going to make a run at a big time wideout and it could be Williams as they have more picks plus Lito Sheppard in their aresenal.

Stay tuned!
 

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iceberg;2063800 said:
we've got a long list of our own failures at developing a WR. miles austin and hurd both come to mind.

Neither cost a #1 draft pick though. In fact neither cost any draft pick. And I would write them off as 'failures' myself.

icebreg said:
we're not sure about glenn at this point but i do NOT think you'd say jones is better than glenn if glenn can still play at a reasonable level.

I would say that Matt Jones is healthier than Terry Glenn. I would say that he's younger than Terry Glenn. And I would say that I in no way want to count on Terry Glenn.

iceberg said:
otherwise crayton is a proven #3 wr who people will never forgive for 1 missed catch it would seem. forgetting all the clutch catches he made is easy. forgetting 1 bad one is not. so i don't put jones above crayton just yet.

I do. Why settle for OK, when there's the potential to do better? And before someone pulls out Crayton/Jones stats, I would state that I think Matt Jones could do as good and better than what Crayton did given the single coverage he received and the systems that each played in. Again, my opinion.

iceberg said:
so at this point we're talking about either sharing #3 or a #4 WR.

while matt jones may be the shinest turd in the toilet bowl, he's still a turd and won't do much to help us, imho.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you've probably got more folks who share it than I do who agree with me. That's OK.

I think Matt Jones is a guy who could help this team.
 
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