If the plan is to get Roy Williams WR next year

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I wouldn't mind having Matt Jones. He's a taller target and something we really don't have outside of Witten. But we aren't in dire need of a receiver this year.
 

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stasheroo;2063812 said:
Neither cost a #1 draft pick though. In fact neither cost any draft pick. And I would write them off as 'failures' myself.

I would say that Matt Jones is healthier than Terry Glenn. I would say that he's younger than Terry Glenn. And I would say that I in no way want to count on Terry Glenn.

I do. Why settle for OK, when there's the potential to do better? And before someone pulls out Crayton/Jones stats, I would state that I think Matt Jones could do as good and better than what Crayton did given the single coverage he received and the systems that each played in. Again, my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you've probably got more folks who share it than I do who agree with me. That's OK.

I think Matt Jones is a guy who could help this team.

sure matt is younger and healthier. that doesn't mean he's better or ready to assume a #2 role. and "potential" is just that. if after what, 3-4 years in the league, you're "potential" is pretty much out and results better be kicking in.
 

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TobiasEagle77;2063724 said:
I think Ocho Cinco would be a better fit in your offense. And TO might actually be a good mentor for him. I've heard that it will be easier for the Bengals to trade him after June 1st, I don't know if that's true or not. Besides, you guys can't have Roy Williams because the Eagles are going to get him : P. He's a better fit for our offense and younger.

If its between us and the eagles for RW's right then I like our chances-the eagles are the cheapest organization in football.
 

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iceberg;2063825 said:
sure matt is younger and healthier. that doesn't mean he's better or ready to assume a #2 role. and "potential" is just that. if after what, 3-4 years in the league, you're "potential" is pretty much out and results better be kicking in.

Isn't 'potential' influenced by factors outside Matt Jones as well?

How many talented players floundered in bad situations?

And, again, what kind of coaching did a player like Matt Jones - a college quarterback making the transition to receiver - get from the Jacksonville Jaguars organization?

As I mentioned earlier, the position coach he had last year had a total of 1 years' experiance himself. How much help did Matt Jones get from the Jaguars?

I would venture to say that Ray Sherman would be the best positon coach the guy has ever had.

He's been in the league 3 seasons but he's still just 25 years old.

And he has shown flashes in that span. In fact he finished last season with an 8 catch game for 138 yards and a TD.
 

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iceberg;2063800 said:
otherwise crayton is a proven #3 wr who people will never forgive for 1 missed catch it would seem. forgetting all the clutch catches he made is easy. forgetting 1 bad one is not. so i don't put jones above crayton just yet.
It's the timing of that bad catch that has some people steamed.

IMO, if Crayton would play to the level of his mouth the WR situation wouldn't be nearly the issue it seems to be right now. This is assuming that Glenn won't be healthy for an entire season (more than possible) and that the remaining WRs on the roster now show nothing more than last year (pretty unknown at this point).

My hope is that Stanback is going to be as good as the staff seems to think he will. Hurd and Austin may prove expendable at some point.
 

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zeromaster;2063988 said:
It's the timing of that bad catch that has some people steamed.

IMO, if Crayton would play to the level of his mouth the WR situation wouldn't be nearly the issue it seems to be right now. This is assuming that Glenn won't be healthy for an entire season (more than possible) and that the remaining WRs on the roster now show nothing more than last year (pretty unknown at this point).

My hope is that Stanback is going to be as good as the staff seems to think he will. Hurd and Austin may prove expendable at some point.

Austin and Hurd are entering year 3 even many top prospect at WR take some time before they get it going. I would not write either of those guys off just yet.
 

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YoMick;2063673 said:
Kinda defeats the purpose. We brought TO here to help us win. NOW is the time to help TO help us.



I am assuming we plan to win now and keep on winning, so it hardly defeats the purpose.
 

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zeromaster;2063988 said:
It's the timing of that bad catch that has some people steamed.

IMO, if Crayton would play to the level of his mouth the WR situation wouldn't be nearly the issue it seems to be right now. This is assuming that Glenn won't be healthy for an entire season (more than possible) and that the remaining WRs on the roster now show nothing more than last year (pretty unknown at this point).

My hope is that Stanback is going to be as good as the staff seems to think he will. Hurd and Austin may prove expendable at some point.

I can't remember the last time the staff was so high on a player and he didn't turn out to be pretty special. Can anyone else? Stanback's buzz reminds me of Romo's the preseason before he replaced Bledsoe. Same type of buzz we heard about Ratliff right after he took over for Fergy. And for Brady in his 3rd year training camp. I'd be really surprised if Stanback isn't at least a functional option for us in case of serious injury to a starter.
 

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Idgit;2064009 said:
I can't remember the last time the staff was so high on a player and he didn't turn out to be pretty special.

Has there really been a "buzz" about Stanback? I remember a single comment last season but he really spent a significant amount of time injured when you add in his recovery from the Lis Franc during TC.
 

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YoMick;2063615 said:
then IMO its a year too late.

We need someone NOW... TO isnt getting any younger and the whole advantage of a Roy Williams type would be to allow each of those guys to at worst alternate being double coverage.

I hope Jerry makes this move THIS year... somehow...
What are you going to do?

Call Matt Millen and tell him to trade Roy to us or else?
 

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big dog cowboy;2064344 said:
What are you going to do?

Call Matt Millen and tell him to trade Roy to us or else?



For Hostile... I will do it! :thumbup:


Isnt Roy is gone after next season - Millen gets nothing then, right?
If thats the case then give him some picks.
 

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YoMick;2064439 said:
For Hostile... I will do it! :thumbup:


Isnt Roy is gone after next season - Millen gets nothing then, right?
If thats the case then give him some picks.

What makes you think they'd be more inclined to trade him this summer as opposed to last week? If they wanted to get the most out of Dallas, they would have done it before the draft. As far as I can tell, they weren't even interested in the 22nd pick, let alone the 28th. And if things hold to form in 2008, our pick next April will be nowhere near 22. For whatever reason, Millen ain't selling. Maybe they plan to tag Williams in some way.
 

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big dog cowboy;2064344 said:
What are you going to do?

Call Matt Millen and tell him to trade Roy to us or else?
Prediction, before the end of Training Camp the trade rumors by the media everywhere are going again.
 

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Valor;2064462 said:
What makes you think they'd be more inclined to trade him this summer as opposed to last week? If they wanted to get the most out of Dallas, they would have done it before the draft. As far as I can tell, they weren't even interested in the 22nd pick, let alone the 28th. And if things hold to form in 2008, our pick next April will be nowhere near 22. For whatever reason, Millen ain't selling. Maybe they plan to tag Williams in some way.



There is no way to tell anything. "As far as you can tell" - This thing may be being kept under wraps for all we know.


No way. IMO.
 

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I don't want another teams 3rd receiver borderline bust. If he was all that he'd be going nowhere. And if anyone truly wanted him he'd have been traded by now -
 

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Valor;2064462 said:
What makes you think they'd be more inclined to trade him this summer as opposed to last week? If they wanted to get the most out of Dallas, they would have done it before the draft. As far as I can tell, they weren't even interested in the 22nd pick, let alone the 28th. And if things hold to form in 2008, our pick next April will be nowhere near 22. For whatever reason, Millen ain't selling. Maybe they plan to tag Williams in some way.

The only thing would be that Millen does things in a really weird way. Why would it surprise you that Millen would trade Williams when his value is at a low?
 

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Me thinks Austin and Hurd Better show something this preseason or the new UDFA wide receivers will be taking their spots..
 

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tskyler;2064529 said:
The only thing would be that Millen does things in a really weird way. Why would it surprise you that Millen would trade Williams when his value is at a low?

Well, the clock is ticking. RW won't be under contract much longer. What's Millen waiting for? Is he hoping that some camp injuries around the league will drive up the price? Aside from Herschel, when's the last time a big name like that got traded in-season? If Millen plays this too cute, he's gonna net a big fat zero.
 

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Alot of people are assuming the RW wants to play for the Cowboys.. And He might but money talks.. If the Raiders offer him Twice as much money as the Cowboys he'd be a fool to turn Al Davis down.
 

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Vinnie2u;2064570 said:
Alot of people are assuming the RW wants to play for the Cowboys.. And He might but money talks.. If the Raiders offer him Twice as much money as the Cowboys he'd be a fool to turn Al Davis down.

Will the Raiders have any money left after their gigantic spending spree this offseason? And I'm pretty sure Williams would prefer playing with Romo than with a still-developing young QB in Russell who looks like he might be Byron Leftwich v.2.
 
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