If Ware ends up with 5 sacks?

[joseephuss]

I am sure if he ends up getting five sacks, he will be labelled a bust by every knee jerk artist out there.

Five sacks from a player new to the position is not bad at all.

I hope he is not just judged by sack totals this year. Even if that is the case, I hope some will at least wait until the end of the season to do so. Seems like some are getting ready to dismiss him after only three games.

There are so many things to consider when evalutating him. He is a rookie, it is a new position, there are several new players on the defense, there are two other rookies, there is a new scheme. I don't see him dominating out there, but I didn't expect to at this point. I see him growing as well as the entire defense. I think I will wait until he has played two seasons before I label him a bust.

 

[Nors]

I think Ware will come along

We need 10+ sacks out of that position.......

 

[Alexander]

I hope he is not just judged by sack totals this year. Even if that is the case, I hope some will at least wait until the end of the season to do so. Seems like some are getting ready to dismiss him after only three games.

There are so many things to consider when evalutating him. He is a rookie, it is a new position, there are several new players on the defense, there are two other rookies, there is a new scheme. I don't see him dominating out there, but I didn't expect to at this point. I see him growing as well as the entire defense. I think I will wait until he has played two seasons before I label him a bust.

That is a rational way of looking at it.

Unfortunately, if Ware does not achieve double digits sacks, there will be more than a few of the clueless who want to label him a reach.

 

[ravidubey]

He's already been a major factor in our wins; of course he's not a bust.

 

[Dallas4ever]

Ware will not be a bust. Write it down and take it to the bank. Parcells will coach this rookie and establish him a solid player for years to come. As fans we totally underestimate the learning curb for most rookies. This guy is smart, fast, atleletic and plays with heart, he will put it together. Don't be suprised when he has games where he gets to the QB more than once. He no doubt will lead the team in hurries.

 

[MrPhil]

Totally agree. This kid will be great.

Hey CBF, if that streak of your kids holds true, you better feed him some candy or something before the late games!

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

If Ware is to reach his potential, we better leave squiggy, "I don't know greek" zimmy wuss in Oak...

He has no clue who to use Ware, or anyone else for that matter...

If we don't change our 4 man rush nickle passive & predictable D, were getting beat by Da-raiders & Filthy...

 

[dbair1967]

8-10 sacks is my expectation.

He is not creating as much pressure as expected. Long season.

not sure what your expectations were then for a kid from Troy University coming into the NFL and making a position change

apparently they were unrealistic

by the way, if Marcus Spears ends up with 2 1/2 sacks, is he a bust? if Chris Canty doesnt get another sack all yr is he a wasted pick?

and by the way, wanna tell us who and how many players on the Pats get 10+ sacks a yr? hint, uh, you wont find any...it hasnt happened for them in like 11 yrs

David

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not true - ask Clarett

Clarett is a never was. I don't think he ever made a roster so not sure he can really be considered.

 

[baj1dallas]

I'll be a bit disappointed...I think he can get 6 sacks.

Seriously...is Joey Porter a bust? How many sacks did he have his rookie season? Why do you expect players on the Cowboys to do things that similar players on other teams don't? That is what they call a "disconnect from reality".

Now, if he never gets more than 5 or 6 sacks a season...then you can call him a bust. But not during his first two seasons. Sorry. I know you like the Cowboys, but they play in the same reality the rest of the NFL does. It ain't a freaking computer game.

 

[joseephuss]

Clarett is a never was. I don't think he ever made a roster so not sure he can really be considered.

Clarett is a great example of unrealistic expectations. That is not his fault. After only one season of college ball, there were a few that were ready to annoint him as the next great NFL back. A sure fire can't miss product.

He is a bust based on those expectations, but how people were placing those high of expectations on him after only one season of college is beyound me.

I think most people appropriately lowered their expectations of Clarett as time went on, so really by the time the draft came along, he wasn't expected to do nearly as much in the NFL as he was back during his freshman year. So, by those standards he isn't a bust. Just another 3rd round miss.

 

[Doomsday101]

Clarett is a great example of unrealistic expectations. That is not his fault. After only one season of college ball, there were a few that were ready to annoint him as the next great NFL back. A sure fire can't miss product.

He is a bust based on those expectations, but how people were placing those high of expectations on him after only one season of college is beyound me.

I think most people appropriately lowered their expectations of Clarett as time went on, so really by the time the draft came along, he wasn't expected to do nearly as much in the NFL as he was back during his freshman year. So, by those standards he isn't a bust. Just another 3rd round miss.

It is Clarett fault that he bought into the ideal that he was ready for the big time. That is one reason I hate to see guys come out early, what you do in college means nothing once you hit the Pros and even some of the most highly touted college players have found that out the hard way. Enjoy your time in college and learn as much as you can because the NFL is a bottom line business

 

[Concord]

Like many people have said before as long as he gets good pressure on the QB most of the time, I'll be happy.

That being said I'd love to see 10+ sacks!

The first one is the hardest....That's out of the way now so Let's go WARE!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When Haley broke into the league, he registered 12 sacks. The next year, he had 6.5. Jim Jeffcoat had 2 his rookie year. He went on to register 11.5, 12 and 14 the next three seasons. Leon Lett had 5 his rookie year but registered 16, 11 and 16 the three following seasons.

Kevin Green came into the league in 85. In that year Kevin Green registered exactly 0 sacks. The two following years, he had 7 and then 6.5. Over the next 10 seasons, he averaged 14.5 sacks a season.

John Randle registered 1 sack his rookie year. For the next 10 years or so, he went on to average 10+ sacks a season.

Reggie White registered 12 sacks in 84 with the USFL Showboats. He followed that up with 11.5 and then entered the NFL. He went on to average 13 sacks a season for his entire 17 year career.

Bruce Smith registered 6.5 sacks his rookie year. He went on to post 10 or more for the next 12 of 13 seasons.

Derrick Thomas Registered 10, 20, 13.5, 14.5.............

Strahan registered 1 sack his rookie season. In fact, he went 1, 4.5, 7.5, 5, 14, 15, 5.5, 9.5, 22.5, 11, 18.5 and 4.

Simion Rice. 12.5, 5 and then averaged 12.5 over the next 7 seasons.

Dwight Freeney, in his 3 seasons, has never registered less then 11 sacks.

Jason Taylor registered 5 sacks his rookie year. In fact, he registered less then 10 sacks his first three seasons, on average. He has gone on to average almost 13 sacks a season since.

Charles Grant, 7.5, 10 and 10.5.

Leonard Little, .5, 0, 5, 14.5, 12, 12.5, 7.

Terrell Suggs, 12, 10.5.

What does all this tell you? Should tell you that all of these guys followed different paths. There is no set amount of sacks a rookie must register in order to be great.

My personal opinion is that Ware will be a fine player. Time will tell but I'd bet money on Ware. I think he has what's important. He has desire, he has ability, he appears to be intelligent. Most of all, he looks to have heart. You have those things and it's hard not to be good.

 

[dbair1967]

>>>Leon Lett had 5 his rookie year but registered 16, 11 and 16 the three following seasons.<<<

I'm guessing you meant Randy White...Lett never had many sacks but was a great inside pass rusher

David

 

[joseephuss]

>>>Leon Lett had 5 his rookie year but registered 16, 11 and 16 the three following seasons.<<<

I'm guessing you meant Randy White...Lett never had many sacks but was a great inside pass rusher

David

I thought that sounded funny, but he made a great overall point.

By the way, does anybody know where you can find sack stats for guys like Randy White? The NFL didn't keep official sack stats until 1982 or so. Is there any place to find at least Cowboy player sack stat?

 

[Doomsday101]

I thought that sounded funny, but he made a great overall point.

By the way, does anybody know where you can find sack stats for guys like Randy White? The NFL didn't keep official sack stats until 1982 or so. Is there any place to find at least Cowboy player sack stat?

http://www.dallascowboyz.com/articles.asp?QVal=&SearchKey=

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

>>>Leon Lett had 5 his rookie year but registered 16, 11 and 16 the three following seasons.<<<

I'm guessing you meant Randy White...Lett never had many sacks but was a great inside pass rusher

David

LOL!!!!


No, sorry David. I mistakenly posted his games rather then his correct sack totals. My appoligies. That one is on me and thanks for keeping me honest.

 

[AbeBeta]

Did anyone see the SF game? Ware not only got his sack but he broke up a pass, created pressure that contributed to an INT, and flushed Rattay right into Gregg Ellis for another sack.

Fantasy stats are ruinining people's ability to judge players. Ware was disruptive against SF. Teams are designing game plans to account for him. Can he play better? Sure - but 3 games in, coming from a small college and playing a new position - we'd be silly to expect more.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought that sounded funny, but he made a great overall point.

By the way, does anybody know where you can find sack stats for guys like Randy White? The NFL didn't keep official sack stats until 1982 or so. Is there any place to find at least Cowboy player sack stat?

I don't believe the NFL started keeping stats, officially, for sacks until 82. Unfortunate. Hard to tell just how great guys like Deacon Jones, Buck Buchannon and Lee Roy Selman really were.