If Ware ends up with 5 sacks?

[Hollywood Henderson]

We better get back to the point of pressure the QB...

Ware & everyone else can be soooooo much more effective if we go away from our passive & predictable 4 man rush on nickle downs...

Collins will eat that up zimmy, better have some adjustments ready...
Collins is a very good QB when given time...

 

[Hostile]

We better get back to the point of pressure the QB...

Ware & everyone else can be soooooo much more effective if we go away from our passive & predictable 4 man rush on nickle downs...

Collins will eat that up zimmy, better have some adjustments ready...
Collins is a very good QB when given time...

You got to get me your resume' so I can get it to Bill and Jerry.

 

[AbeBeta]

Collins will eat that up zimmy, better have some adjustments ready...
Collins is a very good QB when given time...

Sorry HH -- I think you are wrong. Collins got good protection last year and he STANK.

Collins played behind one of the better O-line in the league last year. In that season, Oakland allowed the 6th fewest sacks in the NFL.

Collins however ranked 27th out of 30 starting QBs in passer rating (tied with Ramsey).

Even with lots of time, Collins sucks. He had good yardage numbers - but that is more about OAK throwing the ball so much (4th most).

 

[Nors]

3-4 Defensive Ends like Canty and Spears get 5-7 sacks thats outstanding!

Ware - fyi will get 10-12 once unleashed!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Sorry HH -- I think you are wrong. Collins got good protection last year and he STANK.

Collins played behind one of the better O-line in the league last year. In that season, Oakland allowed the 6th fewest sacks in the NFL.

Collins however ranked 27th out of 30 starting QBs in passer rating (tied with Ramsey).

Even with lots of time, Collins sucks. He had good yardage numbers - but that is more about OAK throwing the ball so much (4th most).

I don't agree with this. Oakland put in a brand new offense last year. It was Norm's offense and it is not easy to master. If you recall, Aikman had issues that first year as well. After he got it down, it was a very good offense for him. I think you'll see the same thing from Collins. It is a mistake to think that Collins can't hurt us. Oaklands offense will score and Collins will have success. It's just a matter of everybody getting on the same page, IMO.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't agree with this. Oakland put in a brand new offense last year. It was Norm's offense and it is not easy to master. If you recall, Aikman had issues that first year as well. After he got it down, it was a very good offense for him. I think you'll see the same thing from Collins. It is a mistake to think that Collins can't hurt us. Oaklands offense will score and Collins will have success. It's just a matter of everybody getting on the same page, IMO.

I think Troy and Collins are very different. Troy was very young, Collins is a 10 year vet. However, Collins did get better as the season went on last year and has been lights out this year -- so you could have a point. Of course, Collins may play well at times but what is his record with Oakland? 4-13.

 

[Kilyin]

I'd take Vinny Testaverde over Kerry Collins any day of the week. Why am I not surprised the Dat hater thinks he's a "very good QB"

 

[AbeBeta]

I'd take Vinny Testaverde over Kerry Collins any day of the week. Why am I not surprised the Dat hater thinks he's a "very good QB"

Actually Vinny and Collins had about identical passer ratings last year. Both were playing in new offenses. Oh, yeah. Vinny was like 74 years old too.

 

[Kilyin]

Collins does have some good numbers this year. Of course you have to attribute alot of those yards to Moss, but nobody cares about stats when your team loses every week. Here's to that tradition continuing.

 

[RoysAHitta]

lets all be honest, ware's first sack was a "give me".. the qb just tucked it and went down. teams right now are using his speed against him and hes a pretty easy guy to take out of the game. he really needs to develop his pass rushing skills before he becomes a force in the game. good pass rushers need to be able to rush from the outside and inside, ware right now is strictly an outside rusher.

im my honest opinion i think ware would make a better 4-3 de than 3-4 olb. his fast first step would be lethal as a de, teams pick him up to easily when hes rushing from two yards back from everyone else and right now thats about all he has going for him.

also ware just doesnt look strong enough, once a tackle get his hands on him hes done. its almost they take wares hands and hold them together and ware is helpless.

 

[joseephuss]

lets all be honest, ware's first sack was a "give me".. the qb just tucked it and went down. teams right now are using his speed against him and hes a pretty easy guy to take out of the game. he really needs to develop his pass rushing skills before he becomes a force in the game. good pass rushers need to be able to rush from the outside and inside, ware right now is strictly an outside rusher.

im my honest opinion i think ware would make a better 4-3 de than 3-4 olb. his fast first step would be lethal as a de, teams pick him up to easily when hes rushing from two yards back from everyone else and right now thats about all he has going for him.

also ware just doesnt look strong enough, once a tackle get his hands on him hes done. its almost they take wares hands and hold them together and ware is helpless.

I think the middle was clogged up so Rattay had really nowhere to run. Ware made a good play to shed the block of the tight end. I would be worried if he couldn't do that against a tight end. The only gimmee sack is the one Favre gave to Strahan.

I don't think the OLB lines up two yards off the line of scrimmage. I think they line up a shade outside of the offensive tackle, which should give them a better angle to speed rush. But of course everything is dependent on what scheme is called and how the offense lines up. Everything is subject to some minor changes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think Troy and Collins are very different. Troy was very young, Collins is a 10 year vet. However, Collins did get better as the season went on last year and has been lights out this year -- so you could have a point. Of course, Collins may play well at times but what is his record with Oakland? 4-13.

I think that record may not be indicative of how well Collins plays this year. His passing numbers are efficiant but not huge. His comp% is only 54% but he's averaging just under 300 a game. He's got 6 TDs and no INTs.

Conversly, there OL, while decent in the pass blocking area, sucks in the running game. There averaging like 2.8 YPC and with those WRs and TE, they should be doing much better. Penalties and TOs don't help but still.

Throw the defense in and I could see how a decent QB performance could easily go by the boards with a loss.

Oakland is really weired this year.

 

[joseephuss]

I think that record may not be indicative of how well Collins plays this year. His passing numbers are efficiant but not huge. His comp% is only 54% but he's averaging just under 300 a game. He's got 6 TDs and no INTs.

Conversly, there OL, while decent in the pass blocking area, sucks in the running game. There averaging like 2.8 YPC and with those WRs and TE, they should be doing much better. Penalties and TOs don't help but still.

Throw the defense in and I could see how a decent QB performance could easily go by the boards with a loss.

Oakland is really weired this year.

In the two games I have watched, Collins has been slow to see open receivers. Looks like he is struggling with the intermediate pass in the middle of the field. He is hitting the deep ball, out routes and short ones to the backs.

I won't take either side of the ball for granted. Dallas has to come in and play well the whole game in order to win.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It will be interesting to see us start working Spears and Canty in with a twist scheme. I think that if you went 4-3, worked a twist with Canty/Spears and send Ware from the OLB position, that's going to be a very hard match up indeed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In the two games I have watched, Collins has been slow to see open receivers. Looks like he is struggling with the intermediate pass in the middle of the field. He is hitting the deep ball, out routes and short ones to the backs.

I won't take either side of the ball for granted. Dallas has to come in and play well the whole game in order to win.

Interesting observation Josee.

That would ment that he's really not struggling to see the open receivers but rather, slow to buy into the timing offense. In Norv's offense, your really don't make a lot of reads during the course of a given play. You make a lot of pre snap reads and then you drop set and throw to a spot. That timing offense is not as easy as many think. You have to have complete confidence in your receivers. That's interesting.

 

[joseephuss]

Interesting observation Josee.

That would ment that he's really not struggling to see the open receivers but rather, slow to buy into the timing offense. In Norv's offense, your really don't make a lot of reads during the course of a given play. You make a lot of pre snap reads and then you drop set and throw to a spot. That timing offense is not as easy as many think. You have to have complete confidence in your receivers. That's interesting.

I think that goes along with how he has performed on the opening drives as opposed to the rest of the game. In both the Pats game and the Eagles game, Oakland moved easily down the field on their opening possesion and scored TDs. Everything was timed out perfectly on both of those drives. After that, the offense moved sporadically.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that goes along with how he has performed on the opening drives as opposed to the rest of the game. In both the Pats game and the Eagles game, Oakland moved easily down the field on their opening possesion and scored TDs. Everything was timed out perfectly on both of those drives. After that, the offense moved sporadically.

Yeah, that sounds right. They probably scripted the first 20 plays, or whatever , and then turned the offense over to the OC. That offense takes a while to get but once you have it, it's impossible to stop if it's run correctly.

 

[AbeBeta]

That offense takes a while to get but once you have it, it's impossible to stop if it's run correctly.

Really? Then why isn't Norv the most successful coach in the history of the league? That O didn't look so unstoppable in Washington - 49-59-1 over his tenure as HC/OC. Unstoppable indeed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have heard it said that Troy Aikman may have been the most mechanically efficiant QB there ever was. I have also heard it said that he might have been the most accurate passer as well. These are not my words but words from people who have actually been in the NFL. You have to have this kind of QB, you have to have a WR/WRs like Irvin. You have to have a TE. You have to have a dominating OL and you have to have a guy who can toat the rock. Mostly, you have to have dicipline. When you have those things, in that offense, it can't be stopped.

Tell me how many times you saw the early 90s offense of the Cowboys stopped?

 

[joseephuss]

Really? Then why isn't Norv the most successful coach in the history of the league? That O didn't look so unstoppable in Washington - 49-59-1 over his tenure as HC/OC. Unstoppable indeed.

I think the key term was "correctly". Washington ran it, but they did not run correctly. Of course, they didn't have Aikman, Irvin, Smith, Novacek and a very good o-line.