I'll go ahead and say it: Winston > Mariota

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They play nothing alike and Winston is a more intelligent football player.

Also where did I say they play alike anyways. I just said he is another VY. Will bust because he doesn't have the brains or aattitude like VY.

I said Tebow, RG3 and Manziel woukd fail in the nfl. So far 3 for 3. Winston will too
 

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I'm not sure why you included Cam with any of those guys. You then compound the mistake by saying Cam is a bust? That's embarrassing.

Having said all that...I itoo think Jameis is the better pro prospect.

Show me where I said cam was a bust. You just made that up. I stated that I didn't like him when he came out of college. Reading comprehension, you need to work on that. He isn't a very good qb considering where he was drafted. Which is my point. And i dont think he will get much better. Running quarterbacks rely on their legs rather than learning the finer points of being a pocket passer. He will never be a super bowl caliber qb. Which is what you want when you take a qb that high. If you think he has justified his draft pick, then you probably wanted manziel too.
 

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Here's that stat line that flies directly in the fact of the OP about how great Winston is at reading defenses:
Winston = 17x Ints. SEVENTEEN. Many games FSU miraculously won DESPITE Winston's numerous INTs. And having watched a lot of his games, his INT #s should be quite higher were it not for defensive bungling. Those windows for fitting the ball in are drastically smaller in the NFL…how many INTs is Winston going to throw in the NFL if he throws 17 against what isn't even top tier NCAA defensive talent (based on FSU's schedule this year)? Would Winston REALLY throw LESS INTs in the NFL against better talent than he did at FSU? Just doesn't seem likely. Wonder if that's ever happened for any QB, ever.

I'm not 100% that Mariota is going to an NFL superstar but here's his stat lines:2013: 31x TDs, 4x INTs
2014: 38x TDs, 2x INTs
Those are ridiculous stats. Add in the fact that Mariota is 6'4" and has 4.4 speed….he has a lot of positives going for him. So to look at those stats (INTs) and say Winston is the better reader of defenses, when Mariota throws in the ball park of 2x as many TDs and about 1/8th of the INTs, seems silly to me. In fact, my greatest fear is Philly trading up to grab him since Chip will run the offense Mariota could kill with.

College stats mean nothing. Winston runs a pro style offense while mariota does not. It's about intangibles. Mariota throws to his first read 80% of the time. Winston looks guys off and goes through progressions. Make no mistake, without Winston FSU does not go undefeated. Nor do they win the national championship last year. As a RS freshman.
 

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No tour the only one.

BY was dumb off the field and couldn't throw the ball. Winston. Can't throw either. Look at his passer rating. Look at his completion percentage. The guy wins because the team he is on.

That and the off field issues is why I said he is another VY. Winston is an idiot and um glad he will not be a cowboy

24 tds with 17 ints. That's not good football

Winston can't throw the ball? What a joke. If he couldn't throw the ball he wouldn't be projected top 5 pick with all his baggage. He wins bc of the team he is on? So he didn't help win the national championship as a RS freshman and win a Heisman in the process? Why couldn't ej manuel do it then? Same team. Stop looking at college stats to compare prospects. Doesn't work. Geno Smith had way more yards than Andrew Luck, but luck has a better arm and came from a pro style offense amd knows how to go through progressions. This is what matters.
 

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Show me where I said cam was a bust. You just made that up. I stated that I didn't like him when he came out of college. Reading comprehension, you need to work on that. He isn't a very good qb considering where he was drafted. Which is my point. And i dont think he will get much better. Running quarterbacks rely on their legs rather than learning the finer points of being a pocket passer. He will never be a super bowl caliber qb. Which is what you want when you take a qb that high. If you think he has justified his draft pick, then you probably wanted manziel too.

I'm sorry but words have meaning....

Winston> Mariota

I've been pretty accurate on qb 's. I never liked ej manuel, geno smith, Jake locker, ponder, RG3, even cam newton. Never understood why these guys were taken so high. In fairness the only qb that has justified his draft pick in recent years is Andrew luck. The qb I wanted last year was Mettenberger. Big arm, measurables, and came from a pro style offense in the SEC. He looks pretty good this year as a starter. I liked bortles and Bridgewater as 1st rounders. Wasn't sure on Carr but he looks good for a rook. I don't think mariota will be a bust like the guys I listed above.


You list Cam. Then say you don't think Mariota will be a bust like the guys listed above. Cam was listed above.

You say I need to work on reading comprehension because I didn't read your mind and understand you meant something different than what you wrote?

Winston is the better prospect inside the pocket. He can read defenses and makes accurate throws from the pocket better than mariota. He also plays in a pro offense while mariota does not. I believe Marcus will be decent. But Winston is better. People say Winston is dumb. You guys don't know what you're talking about. He was accepted into stanford. His maturity will come with age. He's got the tools and is ahead of mariota in his development.

Also in a staggering lack of reading comprehension from your person...I agree on Winston over Mariotta. I have said as much in this thread. Including arguing his football intelligence.
 

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Also where did I say they play alike anyways. I just said he is another VY. Will bust because he doesn't have the brains or aattitude like VY.

I said Tebow, RG3 and Manziel woukd fail in the nfl. So far 3 for 3. Winston will too

Winston isn't like Tebow or rg3 or manziel. That's what your not getting. Winston has a better arm than all 3 by far.
 

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I'm sorry but words have meaning....




You list Cam. Then say you don't think Mariota will be a bust like the guys listed above. Cam was listed above.

You say I need to work on reading comprehension because I didn't read your mind and understand you meant something different than what you wrote?



Also in a staggering lack of reading comprehension from your person...I agree on Winston over Mariotta. I have said as much in this thread. Including arguing his football intelligence.

Cam is not very good. So I didn't think anyone would care to argue over it. Point is, I didn't like him coming out of college and I still believe I was right.
 

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Comparing Winston to Young is laughable and about as lazy a comparison as one could make.

I agree. Winston may not work out in the NFL. Most QBs drafted don't, but his play as a passer is nothing like Vince Young's. It is a weak comparison.

I think Winston has some good qualities, but he also has some question marks. Same with Mariota. There really aren't very many QBs worthy of a first round pick, but the utter shortage of quality QBs in the NFL forces teams to take guys when they shouldn't. Dallas won't be in position to draft either guy. They might do well backing up Romo for a couple of years and developing. So could a few other guys in this draft.
 

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Winston is great. But will be an epic mistake by the team that drafts him. He's more than dumb. There is a MAJOR screw loose here, and will be a headache for the team that takes him.
 

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What did you think about Bridgewater and Manziel?

Liked bridgewater, never understood why his stock was falling leading up to the draft. Good size, good arm, came from pro style offense. Didnt like manziel. Too small. Noodle arm. Not from pro style offense. Relies on his legs, therefore doesn't work to be proficient in the pocket.
 

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Liked bridgewater, never understood why his stock was falling leading up to the draft. Good size, good arm, came from pro style offense. Didnt like manziel. Too small. Noodle arm. Not from pro style offense. Relies on his legs, therefore doesn't work to be proficient in the pocket.
I think Bridgewater did blow people away with his arm, but didnt get that it was more then adequate and is an incredibly cerebral QB.
 

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Liked bridgewater, never understood why his stock was falling leading up to the draft. Good size, good arm, came from pro style offense. Didnt like manziel. Too small. Noodle arm. Not from pro style offense. Relies on his legs, therefore doesn't work to be proficient in the pocket.

Bridgewater does not have good size. He has good height, but he has a slight build. His arm is average, but a QB can be successful with an average arm. I think he is a bright guy. I didn't like him in the first round, but he could have been a decent pick up after that round.
 
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