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Yeah, but I fed like Leonard better and also Jewell even though he’s not nearly as athletic.

Lol, but that is why discussion involves multiple opportunities for being right.
 

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Lol, but that is why discussion involves multiple opportunities for being right.

How about LB Edmunds and Jewell? If we’re taking two LBs, those are mine.
I like LVE okay but concerned there is something going on with him.
 

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I can't prove anyone's doomed to failure.

But I can turn on the first Malik Jefferson cutup on Youtube, watch the first play of the game, and see him completely misread a dive play.



I probably can do the same with some film upon Sean Lee while he was in college as well. Not why the Texas linebacker was chosen by myself.

I believe that a good coaching group can get a lot of production at the professional levels, with strong talent.

And for the record, no, the Texas linebacker isn't a mis-fired missile without a tracking station to lock on a target!

At the college levels, there is not nearly the film study involved in game preparations. Early in a game, reads can easily be misread until the younger players/collegiate plays adjust to game time reads. They just need more direction and prep.

The linebacker is strongly given the Con of being very effective for both running and passing situations. Having a good set of wheels, I wouldn't hesitate a moment at giving him a solid try.

He is versatile and very trainable...he is a physical linebacker to boot.

To be frank, he is a valid linebacker...LINEBACKER!
 
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How about LB Edmunds and Jewell? If we’re taking two LBs, those are mine.
I like LVE okay but concerned there is something going on with him.

Only thing now, is since you picked Jewell...why? That is beyond just an opinion, but a discussion...
 

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Only thing now, is since you picked Jewell...why? That is beyond just an opinion, but a discussion...

Later round pick but guy has incredible instincts which sometimes is more valuable than extreme athleticism. #datnguyen
 

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I can't prove anyone's doomed to failure.

But I can turn on the first Malik Jefferson cutup on Youtube, watch the first play of the game, and see him completely misread a dive play.

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Later round pick but guy has incredible instincts which sometimes is more valuable than extreme athleticism. #datnguyen

Valid point.

I was focusing on a realistic pair that project into a future cap picture an also have both run and pass defense credabilities...a set of wheels.

Jewell...a strong middle linebacker projection?
 

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I probably can do the same with some film upon Sean Lee while he was in college as well. Not why the Texas linebacker was chosen by myself.

Watch some of Sean Lee's college tape. He's in on a lot of plays.

 

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Roquan won’t be available at 19. Pointless thread.
 

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Watch some of Sean Lee's college tape. He's in on a lot of plays.



That was some work getting the tapes, but Sean Lee in college, was similar in results. He also over ran some plays and was blocked a lot as well.

As a Pro, Sean learned and became the Pro he is now...
 

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That was some work getting the tapes, but Sean Lee in college, was similar in results. He also over ran some plays and was blocked a lot as well.

As a Pro, Sean learned and became the Pro he is now...

Really? Jefferson isn't on the same planet as a prospect as Lee if he would've been healthy.

Lee's scouting report screamed instincts and "quick to diagnose." Jeffersons is basically the opposite.


Lee would've been a 1st rounder I'd not for injury.
 

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Really? Jefferson isn't on the same planet as a prospect as Lee if he would've been healthy.

Lee's scouting report screamed instincts and "quick to diagnose." Jeffersons is basically the opposite.


Lee would've been a 1st rounder I'd not for injury.

Bobby Carpenter was a linebacker who's bio line screamed top of the line. What happened with the screaming...oh, you are a ring tapper with a reserved seat at the burn barrel.

The OP was directed at need for a pair of good linebackers...so, carry on Mr. NFL Scout, who wishes up actual tape reviews that he can handle.

My approach is similar to my watching a game. I root FOR a team...not against another. You afraid of the challenge that the game presents and have the correct fan charisma to appreciate the chance for a player to meet both challenge and opportunity?

****, I'm not...and the young Texas linebacker presents a much better opportunity than did Carpenter. He had the backing of Bill Parcells!!
 
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Now, on topic:

Day 2
Malik Jefferson, Texas
A private workout participant, Jefferson could stay in state to play for the Dallas. He is a rangy linebacker who checks in at 6-foot-3, 235 pounds.

At that size, Jefferson may be a long-shot to contribute right away for an NFL roster. However, he embodies the mold that the linebacker position is moving to in the NFL. His athleticism is off the charts, as his combine numbers indicate. On top of being a guy who can cover each part of the field, Jefferson shows the ability to blitz with efficiency and cover skill positions like running backs and even tight ends. With his talent, Jefferson would be a nice fit in Dallas’ 4-3 scheme.


Day 3
Josey Jewell, Iowa
At 6-foot-1, 235 pounds, Jewell is quite small. On top of that, he is not athletic. He ran one of the slower 40 times at the combine, running a 4.82 40-time. He does not move well and struggles to contribute sideline-to-sideline.

On the other hand, Jewell is an absolute grinder. He was a four-year contributor at Iowa, playing against Big Ten offensive lineman. He is an awesome tackler and he understands his role. His football IQ is off the charts. Jewell is your typical blue-collar type of player who does all of the dirty work.

You cannot teach pure instinct like Jewell possesses. There are plenty of concerns with him, but he could be be a nice choice on Day 3. Jewell is the type of player that will intrigue hard-nosed coaches and Rod Marinelli could just pull the trigger.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...-linebacker-targets-for-each-day-of-the-draft
 

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Darius Leonard, South Carolina State
Get to know the name Darius Leonard. The Cowboys have used one of their 30 pre-draft visits on him and they have also had him in for a private workout. There is potential that goes with Leonard’s prospects, but he is far from polished going into the NFL. At 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, Leonard will need to pack on some additional weight. The good news is that he has the frame needed to do so.

Similar to Jefferson, Leonard could be of use in Dallas for his athletic play-making ability. He turns directions with ease, he can get skinny to get through small gaps, and he can be used as back-side blitzer if asked. It comes naturally to him to defend opposing tight ends. Again, he will need to add on weight. But with his frame and an NFL training program, he will be able to do that.

Another Day 2 candidate.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...-linebacker-targets-for-each-day-of-the-draft
 

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Bobby Carpenter was a linebacker who's bio line screamed top of the line. What happened with the screaming...oh, you are a ring tapper with a reserved seat at the burn barrel.

The OP was directed at need for a pair of good linebackers...so, carry on Mr. NFL Scout, who wishes up actual tape reviews that he can handle.

My approach is similar to my watching a game. I root FOR a team...not against another. You afraid of the challenge that the game presents and have the correct fan charisma to appreciate the chance for a player to meet both challenge and opportunity?

****, I'm not...and the young Texas linebacker presents a much better opportunity than did Carpenter. He had the backing of Bill Parcells!!

Go back and look at Catpenters scouting report...lack of instincts and slot to diagnose. He actually tested out as a great athlete and failed for the exact same concerns im bringing up about Jefferson.

I'm not sure I understand the rest of what you're saying...but I also root for the team and would love 2 new LBs that are good.
 

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Go back and look at Catpenters scouting report...lack of instincts and slot to diagnose. He actually tested out as a great athlete and failed for the exact same concerns im bringing up about Jefferson.

I'm not sure I understand the rest of what you're saying...but I also root for the team and would love 2 new LBs that are good.

Alright, good...both of us are Cowboys fans at the heart.

In a discussion, provide proof of what one is stating as fact. Don't leave work to the person you are attempting to state an element about. Prove it yourself, and not on the level of a heresay. There already are way too many yea rights and no real basis provided beyond a statement by the poster. Contribute more than a maybe...and presented as a element of change for a perspective. Sorry, that part doesn't pass the litmus test for valid. You may be right...but prove it.
 

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Alright, good...both of us are Cowboys fans at the heart.

In a discussion, provide proof of what one is stating as fact. Don't leave work to the person you are attempting to state an element about. Prove it yourself, and not on the level of a heresay. There already are way too many yea rights and no real basis provided beyond a statement by the poster. Contribute more than a maybe...and presented as a element of change for a perspective. Sorry, that part doesn't pass the litmus test for valid. You may be right...but prove it.

Lol, I got looking for Bobby Carpenter scouting reports and found an old Cowboys Zone thread from '06. The first post is an NFL.com scouting report from back in the day - read how they trash his instincts over and over again.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/nfl-com-scouts-report-not-real-high-on-bobby-carpenter.54290/
 

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Alright, good...both of us are Cowboys fans at the heart.

In a discussion, provide proof of what one is stating as fact. Don't leave work to the person you are attempting to state an element about. Prove it yourself, and not on the level of a heresay. There already are way too many yea rights and no real basis provided beyond a statement by the poster. Contribute more than a maybe...and presented as a element of change for a perspective. Sorry, that part doesn't pass the litmus test for valid. You may be right...but prove it.

"SUMMARY
Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step."
 

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Lol, I got looking for Bobby Carpenter scouting reports and found an old Cowboys Zone thread from '06. The first post is an NFL.com scouting report from back in the day - read how they trash his instincts over and over again.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/nfl-com-scouts-report-not-real-high-on-bobby-carpenter.54290/
Makes one question Bill Parcells...huh. Then there is the Demarcus Ware pick that Jerry forced onto the table and with coaching/scouts support.

Good add in a discussion.
 

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"SUMMARY
Carpenter was a very frustrating linebacker to evaluate, because he no doubt has the size, strength, playing speed and athleticism to be a productive all-around linebacker, but he is not one now, and he is unlikely to ever become one. While he tests out like a warrior, his lack of instincts hinder his ability to play up to his off-field workouts -- he is often a beat late moving at the snap and lacks the explosiveness to catch up once he loses a step."

Thank you, Sir. A valid discussion...where ever it goes, makes this fan a happy camper. It's just not fun to share ignorance.

Good add.
 
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