I'm getting crucified over Phillips...

[ZeroClub]

 

[VA Cowboy]

i can't say jones is meddling AGAIN *FOR SURE* when all he is doing is what all owners/gm's have done in the past.

you do this a lot - you push things out to an extreme during the course of discussion and when you can't answer some of your own implications, you dull it down a lot.

Push things to an extreme? Like you saying people think Jerry tells Wade how to dress and what shoes to wear? That type of extreme...is that the type you're talking about?

"all i said was jones was doing things like he used to do".

you resimplify it when during the course of discussion you make what he's doing forced, implying wade is nothing more than a yes man.

we don't know yet. you, me, ANYONE IN HERE.

People can draw their own conclusions. Do I know Wade is gong to be another yes man? No. B

But do I know Jerry is hiring some staff? Yes.

Throw the facts out there and let people make up their own minds. I don't see the problem in that.

IS JERRY WRONG/MEDDLING for keeping bowles and sprano on staff?

no long drawn out insults, tirades, or answers - just give us a yes/no and we can go from there.

I don't know how I can state it any clearer than I already have. I think the HC should be the one to make the decision on which coaches is on his staff. If someone else is making those decisions, then yes I think it's meddling.
Do I know it won't work out? No. But I don't see where it's a good idea.

If Jerry did it with BP, then no I don't think it was the right thing to do. If other teams force coaches on the HC, then no I dont' think it's the right thing to do.

In the majority of cases a new HC will have assistants stay on from the prior staff. But I do think it should be his decision.

 

[VA Cowboy]

figures. you ignore my direct question.

is jones wrong/meddling for keeping sprano and bowles on staff?

yes/no.

I didn't ignore anything. I just answered the shorter post first.

 

[BigDFan5]

Sorry. You're wrong.

If I am wrong then show me in the thread I linked where you mentioned his drafting abilities were the only reason you liked AJ

 

[Hostile]

That's cool looking. What is it and what does it do?

 

[BigDFan5]

I don't know how I can state it any clearer than I already have. I think the HC should be the one to make the decision on which coaches is on his staff. If someone else is making those decisions, then yes I think it's meddling.
Do I know it won't work out? No. But I don't see where it's a good idea.

If Jerry did it with BP, then no I don't think it was the right thing to do. If other teams force coaches on the HC, then no I dont' think it's the right thing to do.

In the majority of cases a new HC will have assistants stay on from the prior staff. But I do think it should be his decision.

in this same thread you are saying different things

You are saying Jerry is bad for hiring 1 staff member

yet you are saying AJ Smith you would take over Jerry even though he does not allow his coach to pick the staff


You are also saying Jerry hiring 1 staff member is bad yet when Parcells kept campo coaches it was ok


Wade made his decsion to keep holdovers like Sparano and Bowles and he also decided to let at least one of them walk (Vincent Brown)

So now that we know he has ok'ed the holdovers that stay you can not use that anymore

So you are down to Garrett.

As has already been said we had a 24 hour time period and hired him to be assigned later. Wade will determine where he fits

 

[VA Cowboy]

If I am wrong then show me in the thread I linked where you mentioned his drafting abilities were the only reason you liked AJ

We were talking about GM's, the main criteria I used was personnel decisions. What do you think the main role of a GM is?

I guess I'm way off base to use drafting abilities as a reason to like a GM

 

[zrinkill]

I guess I'm way off base to use drafting abilities as a reason to like a GM

How many Hall of Famers has AJ drafted? How many will Jerry end up with?

 

[VA Cowboy]

in this same thread you are saying different things

You are saying Jerry is bad for hiring 1 staff member

yet you are saying AJ Smith you would take over Jerry even though he does not allow his coach to pick the staff

1 staff member?

You are also saying Jerry hiring 1 staff member is bad yet when Parcells kept campo coaches it was ok

First it's not one staff member. Second, there's a difference between Jerry hiring these guys and retaining them and BP choosing to keep coaches.

And like I said earlier, if JJ forced BP to keep coaches then I don't think that was a good idea either.

Wade made his decsion to keep holdovers like Sparano and Bowles and he also decided to let at least one of them walk (Vincent Brown)
So now that we know he has ok'ed the holdovers that stay you can not use that anymore

So you are down to Garrett.

As has already been said we had a 24 hour time period and hired him to be assigned later. Wade will determine where he fits

Sounds like your uninformed opinion to me.
You have a link that states Wade made the decision to keep Sparano and Bowles and that it was his decision to go out and hire Dat?

 

[BigDFan5]

We were talking about GM's, the main criteria I used was personnel decisions. What do you think the main role of a GM is?

I guess I'm way off base to use drafting abilities as a reason to like a GM

LMAO The thread titled "JASON GARRETT" was about hiring coaches.

You continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper

You stated "GM" nothing about draft, or personell or any of that you said GM

So again I ask you where in that thread did you say you liked AJ for his drafting abilities alone.

 

[VA Cowboy]

How many Hall of Famers has AJ drafted? How many will Jerry end up with?

I have no idea what the HOF voters will do. The only guy I think of that was drafted since Jerry took full control of personnel from 94-02 would be Larry Allen. 9 years and I probable HOF.

 

[BigDFan5]

First it's not one staff member. Second, there's a difference between Jerry hiring these guys and retaining them

1 coach Garrett who has not been assigned by Wade who also stated he liked him

BP choosing to keep coaches.

Show me one article where BP announced he decided to keep all of those coaches

And like I said earlier, if JJ forced BP to keep coaches then I don't think that was a good idea either.

Yet you say Parcells decided to keep them and have no evidence to prove anything you are saying against Jerry

Sounds like your uninformed opinion to me.
You have a link that states Wade made the decision to keep Sparano and Bowles and that it was his decision to go out and hire Dat?

You would know a thing or 2 about being uninformed

I need a link? You say Jerry did all these things without link, now you want other people to give links


Wade was hired we know this is fact

Wade interviewed holdovers we know this is fact

one of those holdovers was released we know this is fact

Bowles and Sparano were not released this is a fact


So he interviewed them and let one go for sure, kept the others. common sense should kick in here

 

[zrinkill]

I have no idea what the HOF voters will do. The only guy I think of that was drafted since Jerry took full control of personnel from 94-02 would be Larry Allen. 9 years and I probable HOF.

Oh yea .... I forgot that Jerry was not GM in the Superbowl years ....

 

[iceberg]

I don't know how I can state it any clearer than I already have. I think the HC should be the one to make the decision on which coaches is on his staff. If someone else is making those decisions, then yes I think it's meddling.

Do I know it won't work out? No. But I don't see where it's a good idea.

If Jerry did it with BP, then no I don't think it was the right thing to do. If other teams force coaches on the HC, then no I dont' think it's the right thing to do.

In the majority of cases a new HC will have assistants stay on from the prior staff. But I do think it should be his decision.

ask for a yes/no, get a chapter in the book that still doesn't address the question.

yes, phillips should have a say in the matter.

do you know FOR SURE that he doesn't or hasn't had his say?

NO - you just speculate that cause you want to.

later dude.

 

[VA Cowboy]

LMAO The thread titled "JASON GARRETT" was about hiring coaches.

You continue to dig yourself deeper and deeper

You stated "GM" nothing about draft, or personell or any of that you said GM

So again I ask you where in that thread did you say you liked AJ for his drafting abilities alone.

Where did I say I didn't like any of those GM's for their personnel decisions?

Again, what do you think the primary job of a GM is?

I wasn't asked which GM I'd rather have hiring coaches, I was asked which GM I'd rather have than Jerry.

 

[VA Cowboy]

ask for a yes/no, get a chapter in the book that still doesn't address the question.

yes, phillips should have a say in the matter.

do you know FOR SURE that he doesn't or hasn't had his say?

NO - you just speculate that cause you want to.

later dude.

It can't be any clearer. Do I personally have to read it aloud to you?

 

[Dodger12]

can you prove for a fact that jones and phillips didn't sit down and jones said "what do you think about dat"? with phillips saying "he'd be a great hire! let's do it!"?

you don't know that. but you ASSUME that cause it helps your story.

if you can do that then so can i.

Phillips hired DAT! if you can't see that you're just blind!

there, did using your own tactics work on you? doubt it but that's what you're doing.

For shear entertainment value in the off season, you guys are the best. Just a couple of thoughts. First, lets assume that Jerry sat down with Wade and inquired about Dat as a LB or assistant LB coach. Why in the world would Wade, as a master of the 3-4, want an undersized LB who played the 4-3 his whole carreer to come in and coach a defense that he never played in? Reading Wade's own comments, his many years (was it 30) of coaching has givin him numerous contacts within the profession. Are we to believe that, instead of tapping into those contacts, the best Wade could do is hire Dat, a retired 4-3 LB whom he's never coached (as far as I know). Come on guys, lets not throw common sense out the window.

Second, our 3-4 LB'ers faultered down the stretch, in December, when it counted the most (see Bradie James). So how does Wade attempt to solve this problem? He hires a 4-3 LB to coach his more agressive scheme to a group of players that, by their own addmission, seemed lost at times. Doesn't make any sense again.

Lastly, Norv didn't make any "demands". Galloway said as much and he probably has Norv in his speed dial. But what Galloway said that he could have only gotten from speaking with Norv is that Jerry never called Norv again after a Saturday (?) night discussion. It was apparent that Norv had a vision for this team that didn't mirror Jerry's and Norv found the balls to say it, much to his credit. Was it Garrett calling or not calling plays, was it TO, was it switching back to a 4-3 or was it something else? We may never know. But it was obvious that the potential HC wanted to go in another direction. It might not have been a "demand", but lets not play with semantics. I was never sold on Norv anyway and, between the two, Wade was the better pick, IMHO.

 

[sjordan6]

what a dumb pissing match this has become. For you guys to have a tennis match about "who said what and what does what mean" is pretty stupid.

Just agree to disagree for God's sake. You all have posted great opinions about the Cowboys and normally they are very insightful opinions but this seems a little childish to try and force someone to say "uncle" or to admit "mine is bigger than yours".

Get over it! The bottem line is the staff is coming together no matter who makes the decision and we are going to the Super Bowel regardless of whoever you think had the mic to make the decision on the hire.

 

[BigDFan5]

Where did I say I didn't like any of those GM's for their personnel decisions?

Again, what do you think the primary job of a GM is?

I wasn't asked which GM I'd rather have hiring coaches, I was asked which GM I'd rather have than Jerry.

You were asked which GM which includes hiring coaches, the WHOLE THREAD was about hiring coaches you never once mentioned draft LMAO

Man you spin so much people should call you Maytag

 

[VA Cowboy]

what a dumb pissing match this has become.

I agree.