I'm missing something on Mario Williams

[WoodysGirl]

These people wanting to sign two cornerbacks with Jenkins and Scandrick on the roster are crazy.

I guess you're referring to trying to get two big name CBs, but ultimately they'll need two DBs for depth, and one high priced FA.

Taking focus off Jenkins and Scandrick...and the potential release of Newman, they'll need to replace Frank Walker and Alan Ball.

So CB depth will have to be improved regardless of who they sign.

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As for Mario Williams.. He's a legit pass rusher, you can never have too many of 'em on the team and the Cowboys currently only have two legit pass rushers.

 

[unionjack8]

Yup, there is interest. Give Hos credit, he was calling this long before I wanted to believe it.

thanks, looking forward to your next news/info/rumour update

 

[RS12]

I'm not sold on Wimbley.

 

[slomoxn]

Well, I wouldn't say winning. He said primetime games. Exposure.

If he wants to win, why would Dallas be a prime spot for him? We haven't won in forever and it's the same power structure still in place.

At some point all this losing has to lead to free agents shying away from Dallas if winning is their true motivation.

Honestly I think these very thoughts are and have been pervading the minds of FAs Dallas has been after for a few years now. The Nnamdi stakes last year are proof positive. I have said it before, players used to pine to come to Dallas to play due to the atmosphere, the winning tradition and the structure of the team... (besides the pay) now it is those very things that keep them away. Atmosphere (ho- hum No true leaders), winning tradition (15-16 years of dirt), and structure (20 years 4-5 good years of devestating the league and 15-16 years of nothing... and the same piss poor G.M. thru it all) I'm not under the impression that agents are telling their players that Jerry will help them win a superbowl, he'll pay you but you will waste your years while you are there because he does not know how to manage a team.

My opinion, I may be wrong but the last 16 years work strongly in my favor.

 

[Risen Star]

I guess you're referring to trying to get two big name CBs, but ultimately they'll need two DBs for depth, and one high priced FA.

Taking focus off Jenkins and Scandrick...and the potential release of Newman, they'll need to replace Frank Walker and Alan Ball.

So CB depth will have to be improved regardless of who they sign.

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As for Mario Williams.. He's a legit pass rusher, you can never have too many of 'em on the team and the Cowboys currently only have two legit pass rushers.

Why doesn't OT depth have to improve? How about QB depth? DE? ILB? Why the fixation on having the highest paid 4th CB in football?

I don't mean you specifically, I'm referring to those that have made it such a priority. I've read sign Carr and draft a corner within the first three rounds. Meanwhile our backup OT is Jermey Parnell. Our backup QB is Stephen McGee. You've got to be kidding me.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Mario Williams 82 games 53 sacks .64 sacks per start.

Kameron Wimbley 95 games 42.5 sacks .44 sacks per start

Anthony Spencer 76 games 21.5 sacks .27 sacks per start

Don't know what Mario Williams or Wimbley will make on the market. I do know that Anthony Spencer will be guaranteed about $9 million next year despite not being able to hold Williams jock.

I have no problem paying Williams $15 million a season. I don't have a problem with paying elite players elite money. That's not what gets you into trouble. What gets you in trouble is when you start oiverpaying proven mediocrity market premium money. Especially since I believe you can probably get equally mediocre production relatively cheap with good scouting/coaching. Re-signing Marcus Spears to 5 years/20 was mind bogglingly stupid last offseason. I fear we're headed down the same road with Spencer.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Well, I wouldn't say winning. He said primetime games. Exposure.

If he wants to win, why would Dallas be a prime spot for him? We haven't won in forever and it's the same power structure still in place.

At some point all this losing has to lead to free agents shying away from Dallas if winning is their true motivation.

cmon risen, how is upgrading not wanting to win? This don't sound like the risen I've seen posting before.

 

[Red Dragon]

......I'm waging war with all the lemming and jerrah cheerleaders in another thread on this topic right now: my gosh, they fall for it every time: Tank Johnson, Pac Man Jones, Roy Williams: bad signing after bad signing. GREAT post Sdogo: duck for cover though: INCOMING!!!!!!!!!:laugh2:

I bet you'd call Witten, Romo, Austin, Ware to be bad signings, too?

 

[honyock]

Why doesn't OT depth have to improve? How about QB depth? DE? ILB? Why the fixation on having the highest paid 4th CB in football?

I don't mean you specifically, I'm referring to those that have made it such a priority. I've read sign Carr and draft a corner within the first three rounds. Meanwhile our backup OT is Jermey Parnell. Our backup QB is Stephen McGee. You've got to be kidding me.

I bet we'll do exactly that...sign a FA cornerback AND draft one on day one or two. It does make sense. If we sign Carr, that may mean that Jenkins is gone after 2012. It'd be the same dilemma the Chiefs were facing...do you want $100 million in contracts for your two starting corners?

So 2013 might be Carr/Finnegan, Scandrick, and the draft pick. Picking a DB high this year with the knowledge that Jenkins might be gone next year, makes sense. And with Jenkins being hurt or hobbled much of last season, we all saw how important having a solid fourth corner could be. And that fourth corner would be on a rookie contract, so wouldn't be anywhere near overpaid.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Why doesn't OT depth have to improve? How about QB depth? DE? ILB? Why the fixation on having the highest paid 4th CB in football?

I don't mean you specifically, I'm referring to those that have made it such a priority. I've read sign Carr and draft a corner within the first three rounds. Meanwhile our backup OT is Jermey Parnell. Our backup QB is Stephen McGee. You've got to be kidding me.

Does one preclude the other? I was simply addressing CB depth because that's what your post was addressing.

I'd like to think they'll address ILB in the draft, as well as DE. They've got alot of young OL on the roster already. I have to believe they're going to continue developing those guys and grab a couple of Hollands and Kosiers for competition.

It's been reported several times over, they're going to sign a vet QB, so I'm not sensing an all or nothing deal when it comes to any of these guys.

 

[CCBoy]

Does one preclude the other? I was simply addressing CB depth because that's what your post was addressing.

I'd like to think they'll address ILB in the draft, as well as DE. They've got alot of young OL on the roster already. I have to believe they're going to continue developing those guys and grab a couple of Hollands and Kosiers for competition.

It's been reported several times over, they're going to sign a vet QB, so I'm not sensing an all or nothing deal when it comes to any of these guys.

I'm glad that Kyle Kosier's name was raised. He could be the answer for a current/veteran player at center now. Plant him between Carl Nicks and David DeCasro...and we're off this next season. Then pick up Blake about the third round, and this next camp should prove very interesting for sure.

 

[dalexa1824]

The Cowboys actually do have the money to go after not just 1, but probably 2 big ticket free agents if they want. They will have even more money in 2013 when over $28 million of dead money comes off the books. This idea that the Boyz are broke and are going to go into cap hell if they sign anybody is just not true.


Secondly, the idea of pairing Ware and Super Mario is freaking sweet. You have two bonifide sack monsters that can be moved all over the place to create mismatches.

This is correct. Why dont we quit worrying about spending money since it does not personally affect any one who posts here. Jerrys longest football virtue is his willingness to spend his own money to put a winner on the field.Even with this attitude it is not easy to always make the right decisions.Mario is a top 25 defensive player in the league.(maybe better) We can have him at no detriment to our football team. He just costs a little money. If he were in the draft with his present skills he would be a top 5 choice. Same can be said of Nicks.Maybe also a corner and center.Leave the money to Jerry and Steven. I believe their ability to sign free agents with various finanacial maneuvers is much greater than the average(Adam excluded)poster here realizes.Thank god Jerry does not have the attitude of some of the nay sayers who post here. We need to get some good football players on board and a productive free agency is our best opportunity. The draft is a crapshoot after the first 2 rounds.There are some fine proven NFL players out there in free agency with tread left on their tires and I for one hope Jerry will be very aggresive at landing as many as he can afford.

 

[jobberone]

Why doesn't OT depth have to improve? How about QB depth? DE? ILB? Why the fixation on having the highest paid 4th CB in football?

I don't mean you specifically, I'm referring to those that have made it such a priority. I've read sign Carr and draft a corner within the first three rounds. Meanwhile our backup OT is Jermey Parnell. Our backup QB is Stephen McGee. You've got to be kidding me.

I think most here see a need to increase the quality of depth of the team. But you can't fix everything in one year. We are thin and have some holes. You fix what you can and hope to hit it in FA and the draft above the average for a few years. Then you can get back into the hunt talent wise.

We have two starting quality CBs if you assume Newman is either gone. That means we need at least one starting quality CB and at least one decent reserve. Ball and Walker don't fit that bill IMO. So we need three CBs. I'd prefer to get two in FA and hopefully find a gem in the draft. IOWs we need a lot of competition at CB.

We need a C. We could use a G. Sure I'd like to find another T in the draft to push Free and be the swing. They do seem to think a lot of our present swing tackle. I'm not so sure about it but that's the rumor. We need an ILB. We need a NT IMO. We could use a better DE. We need better safeties. We could use another TE. We need to find another QB to develop IMO.

Do you think you can address all that in one off season?

 

[ejthedj]

Mario means we switch to a 4-3.

This helps us set the edge, and makes Spencer our SOLB who can rush on 3rd down (giving us three pretty good rushers).

Wimbley is just another Spencer. It's no upgrade.

Zero chance we go after Wimbley

 

[newlander]

I bet you'd call Witten, Romo, Austin, Ware to be bad signings, too?

they've actually PRODUCED: something that most of Jerrah's clueless FA signings have not done. Period.

 

[newlander]

I'm glad that Kyle Kosier's name was raised. He could be the answer for a current/veteran player at center now. Plant him between Carl Nicks and David DeCasro...and we're off this next season. Then pick up Blake about the third round, and this next camp should prove very interesting for sure.

.........my gosh, he can't stay healthy at Guard plus he's never played center in the NFL.......so that seems like a long shot to me.

 

[Risen Star]

.........my gosh, he can't stay healthy at Guard plus he's never played center in the NFL.......so that seems like a long shot to me.

It may be a longshot but I'll take him with no practice time leading up to the first game rather than another year of Phil Costa.

 

[Risen Star]

I think most here see a need to increase the quality of depth of the team. But you can't fix everything in one year. We are thin and have some holes. You fix what you can and hope to hit it in FA and the draft above the average for a few years. Then you can get back into the hunt talent wise.

Great. Then let's start where games are won and lost and we'll worry about stockpiling cornerbacks at a later date.

Sorry, using top resources on your 4th CB is one of the worst ideas I've ever read.

 

[Risen Star]

Mario means we switch to a 4-3.

This helps us set the edge, and makes Spencer our SOLB who can rush on 3rd down (giving us three pretty good rushers).

Wimbley is just another Spencer. It's no upgrade.

Zero chance we go after Wimbley

There's also a zero chance we switch to a 4-3.

Thank God.

 

[ejthedj]

There's also a zero chance we switch to a 4-3.

Thank God.

Ummm, except Garrett said it is a possibility.

And reports are that we basically already run a 4-3 since Ware comes on every play. Anybody who watches our D knows this is true.

Thanks for offering your unsupported opinion, though