I'm on the Jon Kitna Bandwagon

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Would love him back but don't think he's interested in returning. He's well established in life after football. He and his wife are now both school teachers (life long dream of his) and he's also the coach of middle school (I believe) football team in WA state. Also very influential in the community youth programs there. I say he's content, not to mention already pretty rich!!!

Yeah a buddy of mine works with kitna at the school he's not going anywhere.
 

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Kitna was a godsend compared to every other backup QB since 2006:

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He just retired last year and he would be a much better alternative than Weeden. If he isn't doing anything should we and do we make the call to bring him back?

Lets face it. Weeden is not going to cut it for us and with how Romo's back is hurting and needing a true backup at QB, I think Kitna should be looked at as a possible alternative.

Give Miami a 5th for moore
 

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I'd be bringing in Pryor and Tebow.

Yes Tebow!

At least the guy can run with this line and running game.

And you know that Jerry would love that publicity!

You need beaten...

Just Joking...

No...not really.

:p
 

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And furthermore, after last week, I think we signed the wrong ex brown qb to back up tony.
Bernie Kosar? He was already a backup here once, probably wouldn't want to come back unless he's got a legit shot at being a #1...
 

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He showed in the preseason that he has better touch than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he reads coverages better than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he has a better feel for pressure and how to handle it than Weeden.

The only thing Weeden seemed to do better than Vaughan was throw the ball really, really hard.

I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't rush rookies into action, but enough have shown that if they've got it, they've got it. I think Vaughan has something and I'd rather him be given a shot even if he fails to get some game experience.

I thought Weeden deserved to be cut after the preseason because it was pretty clear that he's not an NFL quarterback, but I knew Dallas wouldn't do that and just go with young arms behind Romo. Sometimes teams overvalue experience.

Agreed on all points. We see what Weeden is about, get a look at Vaughn and see if he shows anything and if nothing else give him a little game experience. If he's that bad they can always put Weeden back in. Many of the young guys coming into the league these days are better suited than in the past at running a complex offense because both high school and college often run something similar.

I think it is all a moot point at this time however since Romo will probably play this week.
 

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He showed in the preseason that he has better touch than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he reads coverages better than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he has a better feel for pressure and how to handle it than Weeden.

The only thing Weeden seemed to do better than Vaughan was throw the ball really, really hard.

I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't rush rookies into action, but enough have shown that if they've got it, they've got it. I think Vaughan has something and I'd rather him be given a shot even if he fails to get some game experience.

I thought Weeden deserved to be cut after the preseason because it was pretty clear that he's not an NFL quarterback, but I knew Dallas wouldn't do that and just go with young arms behind Romo. Sometimes teams overvalue experience.

The only experience Weeden has is experience in sucking worse than even RG3...
 

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And furthermore, after last week, I think we signed the wrong ex brown qb to back up tony.

The ex Browns QB we signed was drafted by Cleveland to replace their other ex QB who some here have become enamored with since his performance against the Cowboys last Monday Night. Colt McCoy could start 20 more games and never come close to having the performance he had against the Cowboys. In the last 2 seasons 3 journeymen backup QB's have looked like future Hall of Famers vs the Cowboys defense.
 

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He showed in the preseason that he has better touch than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he reads coverages better than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he has a better feel for pressure and how to handle it than Weeden.

The only thing Weeden seemed to do better than Vaughan was throw the ball really, really hard.

I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't rush rookies into action, but enough have shown that if they've got it, they've got it. I think Vaughan has something and I'd rather him be given a shot even if he fails to get some game experience.

I thought Weeden deserved to be cut after the preseason because it was pretty clear that he's not an NFL quarterback, but I knew Dallas wouldn't do that and just go with young arms behind Romo. Sometimes teams overvalue experience.

That was "preseason" Vaughn is an undrafted free agent rookie who's never taken a regular season NFL snap. He would get eaten alive by the blitz's the Cowboys have been seeing. The team would have ZERO chance of being competitive with him at QB. He may have potential but he's a project that isn't even ready to be Romo's backup. You don't throw a rookie QB into the starting lineup unless they're a #1 draft pick or have shown they're ready to lead a team. The Cowboys didn't throw Romo into the starting lineup as a rookie they developed him for almost 4 years until he was ready
 
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Agreed on all points. We see what Weeden is about, get a look at Vaughn and see if he shows anything and if nothing else give him a little game experience. If he's that bad they can always put Weeden back in. Many of the young guys coming into the league these days are better suited than in the past at running a complex offense because both high school and college often run something similar.

I think it is all a moot point at this time however since Romo will probably play this week.

That's true, and we can only hope he can make it through the rest of the season. I don't really hold out much hope of winning if we did use Vaughan, but at least it would allow us a glimpse at a player who might at least be a future backup rather than putting a player out there who has simply shown he doesn't belong.

Unlike some, I had no problem with Dallas letting Orton go considering how he played it, but this incessant need for a vet backup hasn't exactly proven itself to be a brilliant strategy.
 

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That was "preseason" Vaughn is an undrafted free agent rookie who's never taken a regular season NFL snap. He would get eaten alive by the blitz's the Cowboys have been seeing. The team would have ZERO chance of being competitive with him at QB. He may have potential but he's a project that isn't even ready to be Romo's backup. You don't throw a rookie QB into the starting lineup unless they're a #1 draft pick or have shown they're ready to lead a team. The Cowboys didn't throw Romo into the stating lineup as a rookie they developed him for almost 4 years until he was ready

I don't buy into this idea, or that it hurts a rookie to throw him to the wolves as a QB. A mentally tough player is going to stay mentally tough. If a player shows he isn't mentally tough, you don't need him at the position.

I'd rather give him a chance than have ZERO chance of being competitive with a QB who has proven he's a washout.
 

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When Aikman was talking him up before the game, I wondered what he'd seen that I hadn't seen.

I will offer a caveat. I thought Weeden looked good in his brief stint against Washington and hoped we might see that guy again Sunday, but knew that wasn't the same guy I watched in the preseason. This Weeden was the one I was expecting to see against the Commanders.

To be honest i thought weeden was a ok guy. He can makes some plays and he could blow some plays. But that peformance yesterday I was like ouch. I thought he could find some stablity with a good oline,running game and several good good wrs. So in my mind I thought okay he should play one level up when he has the 1st team offense. At least to the level of respectable
 

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To be honest i thought weeden was a ok guy. He can makes some plays and he could blow some plays. But that peformance yesterday I was like ouch. I thought he could find some stablity with a good oline,running game and several good good wrs. So in my mind I thought okay he should play one level up when he has the 1st team offense. At least to the level of respectable

Trouble is when he got his chances in the preseason, he showed he had no feel for the game. I was slightly hopeful after the first game against San Diego, but then he looked like a lost man after that. He's another one of those players who make coaches fall in love with his arm strength, but then show there's so much more to playing the position than that.

Like I said, I had poor expectations when he entered against Washington and then he temporarily made me feel I had misjudged him. I did not expect him to perform well against Arizona, though.
 

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I don't buy into this idea, or that it hurts a rookie to throw him to the wolves as a QB. A mentally tough player is going to stay mentally tough. If a player shows he isn't mentally tough, you don't need him at the position.

I'd rather give him a chance than have ZERO chance of being competitive with a QB who has proven he's a washout.

I never said it hurts to throw a rookie QB to the wolves provided they're a highly touted #1 pick or earned the job in training camp like Russell Wilson did 3 years ago in Seattle. Dustin Vaughn is no Troy Aikman or Andrew Luck. He isn't a QB with some great pedigree he was an undrafted free agent which makes him a project. Practically every snap he got during preseason was against bubble and fringe players in the 3rd and 4th quarter. He's MILES away from ever being ready to start an NFL game. Romo was an undrafted free agent himself but after 3 full seasons of hard work he developed into a very good QB who Bill Parcells felt was ready to be a starting NFL QB.

Austin Davis who was an undrafted free agent has shown some flashes in St Louis this season but he's in his 3rd season. Who knows Vaughn may develop into a viable NFL QB someday but he's got a long way to go. Put him in the lineup now and there's no doubt in my mind he'll look far worse than Weeden. The kid is nowhere near ready to take over an NFL team especially one that's beginning to leak some oil and will be facing the toughest part of their schedule in the coming weeks.
 

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He just retired last year and he would be a much better alternative than Weeden. If he isn't doing anything should we and do we make the call to bring him back?

Lets face it. Weeden is not going to cut it for us and with how Romo's back is hurting and needing a true backup at QB, I think Kitna should be looked at as a possible alternative.

Make room for one more !
 

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I'd rather give him a chance than have ZERO chance of being competitive with a QB who has proven he's a washout.

As bad as Weeden is at least he's won a few games in the NFL and in all fairness he's still a developing QB. This is only his 3rd NFL season so there's still a chance he could improve some. With a QB like Vaughn you're starting from scratch with a player no one thought enough of to even invest a draft pick on so it's going to take years of development to have a chance with him.

Weeden is much further along in his development and although he was dreadful yesterday the chances of having success with him are far greater than with a young inexperienced QB like Vaughn. Show me one undrafted free agent QB who ever had success leading an NFL team their "rookie year?"
 
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