I'm on the Jon Kitna Bandwagon

[Beast_from_East]

Agree, why not, he can't be worse than Weeden.

Half the guys on this board could not do worse than Weedsuck.

 

[mrmojo]

I wonder if Clint Longley is still hunting rattlesnake...

 

[ConstantReboot]

I've got a better idea.

Why don't we get the protection packages shored up to protect Romo and get back to winning games again?

That would be a better idea. However, you can give Weeden all the time in the world and would probably miss his target by a mile. I wrote that Kitna bandwagon based on sheer frustration with the performance of Weeden. I have never seen a QB play that poorly ever.

 

[ConstantReboot]

What do you not agree with? No one here has been more against Weeden than me. lol I had debate after debate saying the Cowboys would be in trouble if he ever had to start...BINGO! As bad as he was Sunday it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he could play a much better game. As a rookie he had a terrific game vs Cinn passing for well over 300 yards and a 114.0 passer rating. It hasn't been all terrible with him which is why the Cowboys signed him. Colt McCoy sucked in Cleveland which is why the Browns used a #1 on Weeden in 2012. McCoy only lasted one more season in Cleveland than Weeden but McCoy having 2 years more of NFL experience may have been why he was able to play such an outstanding game vs the Cowboys last Monday Night.

Everyone said McCoy sucked prior to that game and laughed at the thought of him beating the Cowboys. There's a lot of things Weeden may never learn but Vaughn is in diapers right now when it comes to the NFL. If the Cowboys were to turn to him after the bye....SEASON OVER! If Garrett was ever asked if he would he even consider starting Vaughn he would say absolutely not! The Cowboys are going to be heading into the toughest part of heir schedule after JAX and they have no chance of staying alive with an inexperienced rookie QB who hasn't seen the field since preseason. Anyone who knows football will echo the same thing.

I agree with you mostly. But I do not think Weeden is the answer especially if he is a Dr. Jekyll and Hyde QB which you just don't know which Weeden will show up. But honestly, after that performance, I would be very weary about ever starting him again. He basically lost the Cardinals game single-handedly. Based on his previous game I watched on tape, all the things that showed up was a QB who threw too late and was too fixated on only 1 target. That was the Weeden I remember seeing and thats the exact Weeden we got during this week against the Cards.

 

[KJJ]

I agree with you mostly. But I do not think Weeden is the answer especially if he is a Dr. Jekyll and Hyde QB which you just don't know which Weeden will show up.

Weeden isn't the answer but what I'm trying to get across is he's the best option the Cowboys currently have. The team spent the entire offseason preparing him to backup Romo and they have to go with him and hope he plays better if he has to continue to start. When Romo misses practices during the week to rest Weeden takes over. Vaughn doesn't have any experience and would never be able to handle the pressure of trying to lead the Cowboys on a playoff run through Nov and Dec.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Weeden isn't the answer but what I'm trying to get across is he's the best option the Cowboys currently have. The team spent the entire offseason preparing him to backup Romo and they have to go with him and hope he plays better if he has to continue to start. When Romo misses practices during the week to rest Weeden takes over. Vaughn doesn't have any experience and would never be able to handle the pressure of trying to lead the Cowboys on a playoff run through Nov and Dec.

I'm sorry but after what I saw out of Weeden and how he completely made this team lose because of it, I would rather give Vaughn a chance. The best option is of course Romo. But after the performance of Weeden, I think the coaches are going to have second thoughts before they actually put him in there.

 

[KJJ]

I'm sorry but after what I saw out of Weeden and how he completely made this team lose because of it, I would rather give Vaughn a chance. The best option is of course Romo. But after the performance of Weeden, I think the coaches are going to have second thoughts before they actually put him in there.

Vaughn will never be considered.

 

[muck4doo]

The Kitna bandwagon shall roll, so sayeth me.

/Think of the children needing new football pads.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Vaughn will never be considered.

I would. Why would Weeden be any better? After that performance that Weeden gave I would be very reluctant that the Cowboys would give him another chance during a crucial game.

If you think that Vaughn would never been considered I bet the coaches are considering him right now as a possible alternative.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So is that the answer to replace a complete scrub? Do nothing? Other teams can find guys but we're completely frozen. Bring Tanney back for all I care. Look at the CFL. Scour another team's practice squad. I mean, we brought Kitna back and you're telling me there's no one else out there that can give you better than a 37 QB rating? We have/had the #1 running offense. All we need is, literally, a true bus driver that can make the most common throws. If we want to stand pat with Weeden, then what can I tell you. He's that bad. If Weeden has to play again, and he just might because we're going to rush Romo back too early, then we risk our playoff hopes after a 6 and 1 start because we couldn't replace a scrub. He's that inept and it would be one of the biggest wasted opportunities I can think of.

I didn't say stay with Weedon. But at the half way point scouring practice squads isn't going to help.
It's disappointing that this staff didn't see Weedon for what he was at the beginning of the season.
It is what it is. The staff chose to lay the season on the line with a banged up QB with zero back up plan, that's
the sad part.

 

[morasp]

He showed in the preseason that he has better touch than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he reads coverages better than Weeden.

He showed in the preseason that he has a better feel for pressure and how to handle it than Weeden.

The only thing Weeden seemed to do better than Vaughan was throw the ball really, really hard.

I know a lot of people feel you shouldn't rush rookies into action, but enough have shown that if they've got it, they've got it. I think Vaughan has something and I'd rather him be given a shot even if he fails to get some game experience.

I thought Weeden deserved to be cut after the preseason because it was pretty clear that he's not an NFL quarterback, but I knew Dallas wouldn't do that and just go with young arms behind Romo. Sometimes teams overvalue experience.

Which game did he play the most in I'd like to go back and watch him?

 

[KJJ]

I would. Why would Weeden be any better? After that performance that Weeden gave I would be very reluctant that the Cowboys would give him another chance during a crucial game.

If you think that Vaughn would never been considered I bet the coaches are considering him right now as a possible alternative.

You would consider Vaughn because you sound like a typical armchair football fan. Why would Weeden be any better? Have you not been reading my posts? I've explained in detail why he would be better try keeping up with the discussion. You honestly believe after ONE bad game the Cowboys would be reluctant to give Weeden another chance during a crucial game and are considering Vaughn right this moment as a possible alternative with 7 games left in the season and the Cowboys tied for first in the NFC East? LOL

What has Vaughn done in the NFL to make you think he could step in during Nov/Dec and the lead the Cowboys to the playoffs if Romo is unable to play for an extended period? Romo has had trouble handling big game pressure in Dec and you think DUSTIN VAUGHN who's never taken a regular season NFL snap could handle it?

 

[KJJ]

I wrote that Kitna bandwagon based on sheer frustration with the performance of Weeden. I have never seen a QB play that poorly ever.

You wanting to go with an undrafted free agent rookie who was making mistakes during preseason against players fighting for roster spots is based on sheer frustration with Weeden.

 

[KJJ]

I have never seen a QB play that poorly ever.

You must not have been following the Cowboys back in 08 when Brad Johnson made his first start for the Cowboys vs St Louis replacing an injured Romo. He completed only 50% of his passes, tossed 3 int's and had a passer rating of 45.5. Two weeks later vs the Giants he was 5 for 11, had 2 int's and was benched in favor of Brooks Bollinger a 6 year veteran who completed only 9 passes and had an int. Both were given the boot after that season.

 

[KJJ]

It is what it is. The staff chose to lay the season on the line with a banged up QB with zero back up plan, that's
the sad part.

The Cowboys thought they had a good backup plan with Orton but he threw a wrench in everything by not wanting to play for the Cowboys and forcing them to release him. The Cowboys had to settle for Weeden. Anyone out there seen better than him were getting starting opportunities so they had to find someone with experience willing to take a backup role.

 

[Red Dragon]

The 42 year old Kitna?

 

[perrykemp]

This is a thread?

 

[gimmesix]

Which game did he play the most in I'd like to go back and watch him?

Here's an article on his play:

Cowboys quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson was impressed with Vaughan in the preseason opener at San Diego. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was impressed with Vaughan’s play Saturday night against Baltimore.

Vaughan capped a Cowboys’ touchdown drive late in the fourth quarter with a 5-yard scoring pass to receiver Jamar Newsome.

Though the Cowboys haven’t carried a third quarterback on their roster since 2011, Vaughan could make them reconsider. If Vaughan doesn’t make the final roster, the Cowboys want to sign him to their practice squad. Of course, Vaughan could play his way onto another team’s roster if he continues to impress and the Cowboys decide to expose him to waivers via final cuts.

“For 6-5, I’m particularly impressed with his feet. His feet are quicker than they ought to be for 6-5,” Jones said. “I liked what I saw out there. We know he’s got that arm.

“We’re going to see a lot of him these next two [preseason] games, I’m sure, and we’ll see how that plays out.”

 

[KJJ]

The 42 year old Kitna?

He's 42 and hasn't taken a snap since week 2 of the 2011 season. If Romo has to be out for an extended period and Weeden continues his poor play who knows the Cowboys might become desperate enough to call Kitna. Unless Romo returns soon and can do what he needs to do to be effective the Cowboys are going to be done.

 

[gimmesix]

Everyone knows Weeden has flaws but he does have over 20 regular season starts to his credit which gives any team a chance to stay alive. The flaws Weeden has may never be fixed but the decision was made to go with him this summer as the backup and the Cowboys can't turn back now. They prepared HIM to be the backup not Vaughn who's gotten nothing but mostly mental reps since the preseason ended. Vaughn could have all the talent in the world and fail miserably because he's not prepared and doesn't have the experience to start. He's not going to lead the Cowboys to the playoffs if Romo has to miss an extended period. The same can be said for Weeden but the Cowboys have a chance to hang in with him for awhile due to his experience.

He did look pretty good against Washington leading the Cowboys to 10 of their points. All we can hope for is that if he has to continue to play that Sundays game was as bad as it will get with him. I watched Vaughn in preseason and he looked good at times and not so good at other times and that was against players battling for roster spots. The Cowboys certainly didn't see anything in Vaughn during the preseason to make them name him as the backup over Weeden. If Romo can't go for an extended period and Weeden gets hurt or continues to suck it wouldn't surprise me if the Cowboys do call up Kitna. They might get so desperate they could consider going after another veteran QB if any are available before turning to Vaughn. The Cowboys may be screwed with Weeden but they would be ROYALLY screwed with Vaughn.

That's certainly your opinion, and there may be some validity to it since Vaughan is a developmental player. However, Vaughan outplayed Weeden in the preseason (granted, against a lower level of backups), but the Cowboys were not going to make him the backup because they value experience in their backups.

I'm saying I would make Vaughan the backup. It doesn't mean he's any more likely to succeed than Weeden, but I believe he's got a potential future where I don't see one for Weeden. If the plan is to get another vet backup, I'm OK with that. If the plan is to stick with Weeden, I'd rather just go with Vaughan.