I'm predicting...

[billknows]

Not to sound too homeristic, but given good health the running game could be simply outstanding this season.

That will take a lot of pressure off a young defense (not to mention an old QB).

Not predicting SB by any means, but I think we are so used to seeing the team go however the defense goes around here, we may lose sight of the fact we could be actually looking at a year where the offense and TOP will in many cases determine whether we win games (in a good way!).

Very good but both sides of the ball could propell us deep into playoff land

 

[billknows]

Parcells 3-4 is not an attacking defense, he hates to blitz. After 2003 he said that Zimmer's scheme was too aggressive. Imagine that old occupy and engage/Zimmy wuss too aggressive.

What he wants is better players being in position to make plays, without risking the big play while doing it. This ain't going to be a Ryan-like do or die defense and with so many rookies we will probably be even more conservative.

I'm guessing we will be less conservitory w/ Roy and also blitz more this yr...

 

[billknows]

This is so very, very true. We have been for years. I've wanted us to show some type of deception tactics for so long that I bet I won't even feel like I'm watching the Cowboys when they disquise some things.

I know, I know , But I can predict a good outcome with Julius running between the tackles and Drew to Witten ,Try to stop it...

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Yes BZ read & learn...Your quote had NOTHING to say about zimmy wuss being said by Parcells being too Agressive...Did it?

Waffle...
Of course its my opinion...& Parcell's

 

[blindzebra]

Yes BZ read & learn...Your quote had NOTHING to say about zimmy wuss being said by Parcells being too Agressive...Did it?

Waffle...
Of course its my opinion...& Parcell's

When did I say it did?

Someone without any comprehension skills, should really avoid using the words read and learn.

Also, who gives a rat's rear about you never seeing/hearing anything about Parcells/Zimmer?

Funny, nobody else mentioned not being aware. Want to know why? Because they ALL HEARD IT!

Yes, big Bill said Zimmer's scheme was too aggressive, and he prefers the occupy and engage aspects of the 3-4 too.

 

[Kilyin]

Yes, big Bill said Zimmer's scheme was too aggressive, and he prefers the occupy and engage aspects of the 3-4 too.

This is what I'd like to see substantiated with a credible link/source. I don't think any of the coaches really like the occupy and engage defense. If they do, then explain the absurd amount of blitzing the Boys did in 2003. They played conservatively in 2004 because of the high school talent equivalent secondary out there all year.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Wow, BZ, your going off the edge now fella....
:laugh2:
Now u have Parcells saying he is going to play a "occupy & engage passive 3-4"

 

[blindzebra]

This is what I'd like to see substantiated with a credible link/source. I don't think any of the coaches really like the occupy and engage defense. If they do, then explain the absurd amount of blitzing the Boys did in 2003. They played conservatively in 2004 because of the high school talent equivalent secondary out there all year.

Parcells did say we were too aggressive with the blitz in 2003, his exact words were, " I hate to blitz." The results were bring in better players so we won't have to, it's personnel people.

The occupy and engage was a shot at the Zimmer bashers who now love the 3-4. One of the basic tenants of the 3-4 is that the DL occupy and engage to free up the LBs.

God I love irony.

 

[HeHateMe]

If by rough year you mean 11-5 and the playoffs, then I agree 100%.

 

[Mash]

Those great players under 1994 also played in good schemes that were implemented by previous coaches

Have you read that recent Ring of Honor article on the triplest. All 3 of them stated that Norv was a key piece to the SB's. I think Aikman even said that they would not have won without Norm. And Norm = Scheme.

In my opinion a bad scheme could be either of the following:
(1) Bad X's and O's (i.e. bad strategy)
(2) Good X's and O's...but does not match the existing personnel.

I would also say that a good scheme should only have the wrong personnel when it is being newly implemented (i.e. coach or coordinator is inheriting pre-existing personnel.) Otherwise, you have a situation whereby organization is not selecting the correct personnel.

So....three things are actually important. (In order of importance)

(1) Good Personnel
(2) Scheme fits the personnel (organization selects the correct players)
(3) Scheme is a sound one

I do agree that if given the option to choose 1 of the 3...that good personnel would be the one to choose. But...the odds favor the team that has all 3.

A.K.A. - New England Patriots

Nice post.....If Shula stayed as our OC.....I'm afraid we wouldn't taste one SuperBowl.

I also think Jerry shrewd move in acquiring Haley put us over the top.....without him we would of depended more on the offence.

This year I hope our younger players on defence have a inpact and we can somehow convince Zimmer that its okay to make half time adjustments

Zimmer really needs to step up as a coordinator......Bill put a very hard task on his shoulders. I think Bill will spend alot of time in TC with the defence....more so then previous years.

 

[Hostile]

Wow, BZ, your going off the edge now fella....
:laugh2:
Now u have Parcells saying he is going to play a "occupy & engage passive 3-4"

Uh, no he didn't.

You've added the "passive" description to "occupy and engage." A recent thread here that was all about the differences between the 3-4 and the 4-3 that was written by a football expert described the role of the DEs in a 3-4 to "occupy and engage."

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29512&highlight=defense

You can read for yourself.

BZ quoted that expert, because he totally debunks your rants. If you want to challenge the author of that piece we can look him up for you.

What am I saying? You don't repsond to challenges with facts.

Never mind.

 

[Waffle]

Don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but I didn't see anybody getting "schooled" in this thread.

The occupy and engage was a shot at the Zimmer bashers who now love the 3-4. One of the basic tenants of the 3-4 is that the DL occupy and engage to free up the LBs.

God I love irony.

I hereby retract my previous statement.

 

[Nors]

There is a big difference having your front 4 in a 4-3 occupy and engage and almost NEVER blitzing small linebackers and..... a 3-4 that has 290-300 pound DE's grinding Oline book ends on a NT like Ferguson doubling Center and interior Guards. That allows 250 and 245 pound linebackers like Ware, Thornton, Burnett, Ogbogu to ATTACK.

LT never attacked in Parcells 3-4 - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you ready to rumble?

 

[Hostile]

There is a big difference having your front 4 in a 4-3 occupy and engage and almost NEVER blitzing small linebackers and..... a 3-4 that has 290-300 pound DE's grinding Oline book ends on a NT like Ferguson doubling Center and interior Guards. That allows 250 and 245 pound linebackers like Ware, Thornton, Burnett, Ogbogu to ATTACK.

LT never attacked in Parcells 3-4 - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you ready to rumble?

LT wasn't a DE. Get your facts straight and I'll gladly rumble.

 

[Nors]

LT wasn't a DE. Get your facts straight and I'll gladly rumble.

You missed my point

LT was a 3-4 OLB - an attacking position that Ware now will occupy.

 

[blindzebra]

There is a big difference having your front 4 in a 4-3 occupy and engage and almost NEVER blitzing small linebackers and..... a 3-4 that has 290-300 pound DE's grinding Oline book ends on a NT like Ferguson doubling Center and interior Guards. That allows 250 and 245 pound linebackers like Ware, Thornton, Burnett, Ogbogu to ATTACK.

LT never attacked in Parcells 3-4 - LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you ready to rumble?

We have ONE DE at 290-300, God help us if that is are starting 4 at LB.

Facts are that Ferguson is light for a NT, Ellis and/or Canty are both under 280, Burnett is light for SOLB, Shanle and Dat are both 240.

We will field the smallest 3-4 in the NFL.

As I said before I love irony. Here is the ring leader of the occupy and engage undersized 4-3 clan, touting a defense that depends on occupy and engage that will be undersized.

 

[Nors]

There is a big difference in a 4-3 DE occupying and a 3-4 DE occupying to free up LT and Ware to attack. Behind our 4-3 DE's we had small LB's that almost never blitzed. 3-4 DE is a brutal job - lots of work and little glory. Hence Ellis statements about undersized and not having a role in the 3-4.

 

[Hostile]

You missed my point

LT was a 3-4 OLB - an attacking position that Ware now will occupy.

No, you missed the point of the discussion that was going on.

HH once again screamed about the stupidity of using an "occupy and engage" scheme.

Fact, the 3-4 asks the 3 DL to "occupy and engage" to free up the Lbs to make plays.

LT was a LB freed up to make plays because the DL was playing "occupy and engage."

There was a thread quoted in an earlier post by me. You can look it up and actually learn a great deal about both schemes if you are so inclined.

 

[Hostile]

There is a big difference in a 4-3 DE occupying and a 3-4 DE occupying to free up LT and Ware to attack. Behind our 4-3 DE's we had small LB's that almost never blitzed. 3-4 DE is a brutal job - lots of work and little glory. Hence Ellis statements about undersized and not having a role in the 3-4.

No, there is not. The role of "occupy and engage" is the same in any scheme. The difference lies in what other assignments are beyond those duties.

 

[Nors]

Spears is 295
Canty played at 290 in college
You forget Coleman - he's a strong DE candidate
Ellis if he wants to play here can get to 280

Ware is a stud 250
Burnett is 240 and a kid who will grow into a 250 pound backer
Shanle has played at 245 and will be bulked up this year with switch
Dat is a football player with 3-4 experience.

You have not watched enough Ferguson. He may only be 305 but he's as pesky and stout in the middle as they come!

I feel better with our defense this year. Last years defense was a trainwreck going into Minny game - and it went South fast...


Stop with the 4-3 BZ, Howard trade is dead and we drafted 3-4 pieces. Game, set and match. Its over.