I'm so sick of hearing about the cheating Giants

[cowboyrock]

We were not the better team when we played the Giants in the playoffs.

Sure, we were more talented, but being better includes the whole picture- discipline, coordination, intensity, and planning- on top of having talent.

They were better that day in every category but talent. Way better.

That's on the coaching staff.

But, you have got to hand it to the Giants. They beat the New England Patriots, and didn't cave in during the late parts of the game when New England always seemed to pull away somehow.

The Giants earned their world championship; they wanted it more than the Cowboys did- plain and simple.

The real question is, will Phillips and Garret work to correct their own shortcomings that led to the collapse last year?

Im not sold on Wade or garrett. but the Giants were not the better team that day. i just watched the tape of the game. they had less than 10 first downs. and less than 200 yards offense.the refs gave them that game. and nothing you post will change my opinion on that. the video tape i just watched does not lie.

 

[Boysboy]

The league REALLY needs to work on getting that right. Every time they call that on Ware (when he really wasn't offsides), it has brought back a big stop (or sack or fumble recovery) for Dallas.

That missed call can be a game changer, for sure.

But on the subsequent play-Reeves WHIFFED on a tackle that allowed Toomer to go all the way to the house. And not to mention too Reeves was the GOAT on the Giants' 47 second end-of-the-half TD drive.

Dude-that was 14 points RIGHT THERE.

 

[Boysboy]

Im not sold on Wade or garrett. but the Giants were not the better team that day. i just watched the tape of the game. they had less than 10 first downs. and less than 200 yards offense.the refs gave them that game. and nothing you post will change my opinion on that. the video tape i just watched does not lie.

As much as I hate to admit it-the low number of yards didn't tell the entire story.

Plaxico was wide open in the 1st qtr on a long pass, which could have potentially made it 14-0.(and Roy got WHIFFED on that play too) On ALL of the Giants' scores, they attacked Jacques Reeves like a dead-mule. And worst of all-Jacobs could have crawled into the endzone on that go-ahead TD.

Pt being that the statistics were rather misleading.

 

[links18]

Dude, the reffing was the difference between a close loss and a close win. I agree with you.

But it took several parts of the team not functioning adequately plus the strategy of slowing down the game and using less possessions (which in hindsight I think was a terrible idea) to even make it a close game. If the cowboys were on top of their game (and the giants were clearly on top of theirs, I thought), then I think the cowboys win despite reffing calls.

Give credit where it's due, and fault as well. The O-Line had a terrible second half, the secondary gave up a DUMB TD right before the end of the first half, and obviously the drops by Crayton/Fasano didn't help.

I agree about the game plan and I said it right after the loss. We chose to pound Barber at them and it worked, but it led to fewer possessions and fewer points and as a result we were not able to overcome the lapses in concentration and focus we had overcome all year. By grinding it out, we made it so that a few plays here or there or bad calls could decide the game and that is what happened. In other words, we didn't play or game that day and it bit us in the behind. With Barber now the primary runner I wonder if we are going to try this tactic again more this year. if we are, we are going to need more focus and clean up the sloppiness or it could be 2005 all over again. We need to clean up the act anyway, but if we are going to play the style of ball we played against the Giants it will become even more critical.

 

[leeblair]

I know what you are saying Cowboy- and I see where you are coming from.

However, the part I saw was the Cowboys offensive line blowing out the Giants in the first half, and giving Barber plenty of room to run. Barber wore out by the third quarter, though.

I saw drives go down the field, only to fall short of scoring.

I saw a Cowboys team that had a 'seat of the pants', "hang it out there" offense, but while they were swinging for the fence, they forgot the basics.

A lot of big plays, but always one short of success. When it came time to put it in the endzone, they failed.

 

[cowboyrock]

But on the subsequent play-Reeves WHIFFED on a tackle that allowed Toomer to go all the way to the house. And not to mention too Reeves was the GOAT on the Giants' 47 second end-of-the-half TD drive.

Dude-that was 14 points RIGHT THERE.

Reeves was flatout terrible. im with you on that. but the Toomer touchdown never happens if those crook refs dont call offsides on Ware on third down. they would have had to punt, and never would have scored on that drive. the refs screwed us that entire game. as iu said, the tape does not lie.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Im not sold on Wade or garrett. but the Giants were not the better team that day. i just watched the tape of the game. they had less than 10 first downs. and less than 200 yards offense.the refs gave them that game. and nothing you post will change my opinion on that. the video tape i just watched does not lie.

LOL. I wouldn't say the refs cheated. The Cowboys were said to be head and shoulders above the competition. If they can't get over a few calls that didn't go their way thats tough luck. Its not like the refs took points off the board for us or anything like that. They probrably like the rest of the world wanted to see this so called great Cowboys team and if a call was 50/50 they gave it to the Giants. I dont have a problem with that. I have a problem with the so called great Cowboy team looking average and not living up to the hype. I just find it funny how people want to blame a 3rd wide reciever and a sorry back up cornerback who played how they have always played. Oh yeah and i hear alot of blame going to a backup tight end whos was never that good to begin with either.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I agree with Leeblair on a couple of these issues, but I also agree with the main post, the refs were horrible. However, most of you guys are overlooking the main thing about the refs. Who do we have to blame about the refs, Commissioner Goodell.

If you guys remember, Goodell first time in the NFL on playoffs, Goodell didnt let the best refs with their crews officiate, like generally in the past, this time Goodell had a main ref work with another crew ref staff that the head ref had never worked with. Then, on top of that, Goodell picked the head ref that generally was for the home team, but the crew refs were totally against home teams.

That to me, speaks volumes there.

Next, we have to thank the Commissioner for allowing first time in the NFl for assistant coaches to be allowed to visit and be looked at opposing teams that were looking for head coaches. Before in the past, teams that were in the playoffs, losing teams could not contact any assistant coaches on playoff teams till they were out of the playoffs. If you guys remeber, Sparano visited the Dolphins, and Garrett best I remember visited Baltimore and Atlanta I think. To my mind, no team should be alowed to talk to assistant coaches while that team is still in the playoffs, it breaks continiuty and rhythm.

We were not the better team when we played the Giants in the playoffs. I still think talent wise we were better, but not heart wise, and passion wise.

Sure, we were more talented, but being better includes the whole picture- discipline, coordination, intensity, and planning- on top of having talent.
I agree we didnt have discipline, intensity and planning, how can you plan like your suppose to game planning when your assistant coaches are being interviewed for head coaching jobs? Thats not right!!!!!!!

They were better that day in every category but talent. Way better.
Yes, we had more talent, but not heart, passion, desire.

That's on the coaching staff.
Again, how can you blame the coaching staff to a point, when they are allowed to be interviewed for head coaching jobs, and when wade phillps lets the players get off for the bye week. That i blame on Wade Phillips, I still think like some buffalo fans said, when it gets down to the nitty grity, wade phillips is off with his wife and not coaching like he should. Sure, family in football is important, but only to a degree, the head coach has to step up and put his foot down and have players ready to play and in shape.

But, you have got to hand it to the Giants. They beat the New England Patriots, and didn't cave in during the late parts of the game when New England always seemed to pull away somehow.

The Giants earned their world championship; they wanted it more than the Cowboys did- plain and simple.
I agree with that, i think that is part of the problem, we dont have the real leaders that really want to win, be champions, pay the price, when you leader the Quarterback goes off and spends time in Mexico when he should have been in Dallas, looking at game film, keeping the offensve players alert, etc, then that sets a bad example for the whole team. Then when one of your leaders on defense Terrance Newman says we werent really ready to play, we took the game for granted, that speaks volumes, again some so called leaders on this team, dont really understand what it is to be a leader and really really want to win a super bowl.

The real question is, will Phillips and Garret work to correct their own shortcomings that led to the collapse last year?

AGain, when the NFL sets a new precendent to allow assistant coaches to be allowed to be interviewed for head coaching jobs, along with the Commissioner Goodells approval, then something is wrong. We all saw how the offensive line played terribly in the 2nd half, and we all heard how Nate Newton said the offenisve linemen were arrogant, puffed up, and not in shape, football shape since the detroit game, that you could look at their faces when they lost a game, and not see no pain, no anguish, no hurt, then that is the problem. The heart of the team, intensity, and really wanting to win. But it seems like the players, were content with their pro bowl honors, and a couple players were content to go to Mexico and party, not getting ready for that big game, that to me is why Wade Phillips teams lose in the playoffs, he doesnt prepare them correctly and make them work and stay in shape. Mind I remind you, in December, Wade Philiips didnt have the Cowboys prepare in pads at all in December. Now that isnt football and staying in shape. That I put on the refs that Goodell allowed, Wade Phillips and some of the players on the Dallas Cowboys team that doesnt have heart and desire and intensity.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I forgot to add about the main post and the bad ref calling, IT is a well documented NFL call that the center in this case was O'Hara that moved the football before the snap, and back again. That is sometimes used by the center in field goals and punts to get the opposing teams to jump offsides. That is the responsibilty of the ref to see that and call it.

Just like the new barber rule, that was set against Barber, to me, the NFL should be made aware of what O'hara is doing and have a new penalty rule name called for O'hara.

I did on my own, write Brady Tinker and get him to ask Ware about the offisdes when Ware jumped, but was really jumped to O'Hara moving the football before the snap. Which, best I remember when a center or guard moves the defensive linemen opposite him is suppose to touch the offensive player that moved, to get the refs to see it and call it.

If you guys also watched the superbowl, O'Hara did the same thing in the superbowl, and got away with it, by moving the football forward and back agian, then snapping the ball. O'hara got the Patriots to jump offsides too.

And the play where they ruled loss of down for Romo when he threw to the sides, and Romo was rushed more than Eli, and Eli got away with the same kind of play, That right there showed the partiality of the refs for the Giants, in fact those refs were calling the same in the superbowl. And they called the game against the Patriots too.

So, yes, that should be in some way given attention to Goodell and the refs so that doesnt happen again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Cowboys have no one to blame but themselves. Most specifically, Jacques Reeves, Patrick Crayton, and Anthony Fasano.

And Tony Romo.

 

[Boysboy]

Reeves was flatout terrible. im with you on that. but the Toomer touchdown never happens if those crook refs dont call offsides on Ware on third down. they would have had to punt, and never would have scored on that drive. the refs screwed us that entire game. as iu said, the tape does not lie.

True-however, the Chargers were hosed by the refs every which way you could in the earlier game(the Cromartie INT TD got called back b/c of a bogus holding call). This, coupled with a gimpy Rivers/LT, they still won.

Pt being that championship teams almost always get the job done at the end-we failed miserably.

 

[Cowboy Bebop]

It's Ed hochuli's fault every time Flozell gets a false start penalty. It's a conspiracy, no one could possibly lose concentration that often.

 

[cowboyrock]

It's Ed hochuli's fault every time Flozell gets a false start penalty. It's a conspiracy, no one could possibly lose concentration that often.

Yea ware was offsides wasn't he?that call led to a Giants TD. but it was a good call wasn't it? you are the worse kind of cowboys fan.A LOSER!

 

[Boysboy]

Yea ware was offsides wasn't he?that call led to a Giants TD. but it was a good call wasn't it? you are the worse kind of cowboys fan.A LOSER!

I too am a true-blue homer(there's nothing wrong with being loyal to your team). However-we have to take off those glasses once in a while and be objective.

For the most part-we got the benefit of alot of the calls in our 2 reg season meetings with the Gints. Remember the refs missing Patrick Crayton's false start in game 1? Which lead to the game clinching TD? Remember the ticky-tack hold on Chris Snee on the Gints' game-tying TD in game 2? Or how about the bogus holding call on Bradshaw's long kickoff return earlier? (if you go back to the archives-you'll see even most Zoners here agreed these were bad calls)

Bottom line-we had a huge opportunity to make a big splash for the first time in years, and we blew it. I hope everyone on this team learned their lesson.

 

[theebs]

Yea ware was offsides wasn't he?that call led to a Giants TD. but it was a good call wasn't it? you are the worse kind of cowboys fan.A LOSER!

how do you feel about patrick crayton being offsides on the touchdown to sam hurd in the season opener.

That should have been a penalty. The giants had all the momentum and if we dont score there we most likely lose that game. Our defense had no chance.

Did the refs cheat in our favor there or did they just miss an obvious call?

 

[Cowboy Bebop]

Yea ware was offsides wasn't he?that call led to a Giants TD. but it was a good call wasn't it? you are the worse kind of cowboys fan.A LOSER!

Best post evar!

 

[Boysboy]

how do you feel about patrick crayton being offsides on the touchdown to sam hurd in the season opener.

That should have been a penalty. The giants had all the momentum and if we dont score there we most likely lose that game. Our defense had no chance.

Did the refs cheat in our favor there or did they just miss an obvious call?

And like I mentioned above-we got a ton of breaks at the Meadowlands as well. On their game tying TD, Snee was called for a hold on Roy, but when they showed it on replay, it was ticky-tacky(at best). Otherwise, it's 24-24, and the Giants have the momentum the rest of the way.

 

[cowboyrock]

how do you feel about patrick crayton being offsides on the touchdown to sam hurd in the season opener.

That should have been a penalty. The giants had all the momentum and if we dont score there we most likely lose that game. Our defense had no chance.

Did the refs cheat in our favor there or did they just miss an obvious call?

Would you rather have that first game of the year call? or those F------- playoff cost that cost us our season. dont give me that crap man. those refs they sent here should be fired for what they did. how about that offsides on Ware? dont want to post about that do you?

 

[theebs]

Would you rather have that first game of the year call? or those F------- playoff cost that cost us our season. dont give me that crap man. those refs they sent here should be fired for what they did. how about that offsides on Ware? dont want to post about that do you?

I have no problem posting about that. Get this. I dont think it was a bad call.

I have analyzed that play frame by frame from the HD broadcast and it appears he was a tick to soon. Just bad luck. Oh and babe laufenberg agrees with me.

Now the call on romo and leonard davis were bad calls. But they didnt cost us the game. Poor execution, untimely mistakes and a team who started to believe they actually accomplished something after beating the packers...that was the problem.

blaming it on the refs makes you look like an extremely poor sport and a guy who doesnt understand what he is watching too well. It sucks for all of us, that was a heartbreaker and a tough way to finish a season, but you have to accept the truth.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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