I'm so sick of hearing about the cheating Giants

[Doomsday101]

some of you guys act like it doesn't even phase you that we loss to division rivals after beating them twice. I'm not saying make up stuff about the refs cheating or whatever but show some anger don't just sit there like "yeah we lost but we'll get them next year" some of you guys are so ok with losing it's scary. If it was a loss to any other team that wasn't in the nfc east then i wouldn't be so angry but it was the dirty giants that beat us...you can't just simply "get over it" can you?

I hated we lost but the bottom line is the team did not play well enough to win. I'm not a sore loser I'll tip my hat to the other team and if there is disappointment then it is the disappointment that our team did not play good enough to get the job done. When I know we have the talent to win and failed then you look in the mirror not at the other team. Hollering how the Giants cheated or the refs gave it to them sounds like something a whinny little kid who is a sore loser would say. Sports is all about winning and losing and anyone who has played sports at any level has experienced both how you handle it says a lot about you as a person

 

[cowboyjoe]

doomsday, all i can say is that you need to go back and look at the plays and the refs, even the ref head official said on the play where they called romo for losing a down due to throwing the ball away under pressure was wrong

the head ref said that call against romo shouldnt have been called, all you had to do was look earlier on a play where eli manning was under more pressure from our defense, he threw the ball away, but wasnt called.

then, on the play where right before the giants scored before halftime, ware was called for being offsides, we had stopped them on that play, but was ruled ware offsides, if you look at the play and what troy aikman and joe buck said on the play, O'hara the center moved the football forward, and back, then snapped the ball,

(which is an old old play that offensive centers used to use on field goals attempts and punts, to get the opposing team to jump offsides, which is illegal), again, O'Hara moved the football and back, then snapped it, that is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!

i do agree that the giants that day wanted it more than the cowboys, when your star QB has to yell at the offensive linemen, lets go, and they lackluster move up to the line of scrimmage, something is wrong, the giants wanted it more than the offense, now our defense to my mind played their heart out

and if you comment on the play before halftime, my answer to that is this;
whom was calling the defense right before halftime, was it steward or wade phillips, i believe it was stewart, he let his guard down, and the giants scored,

the same thing happened in the 2nd giant game of the season, right before halftime, the giants moved the football and scored, our defense let their guard down, now whom is calling defense, im not sure, but i do believe it is stewart,

 

[Doomsday101]

doomsday, all i can say is that you need to go back and look at the plays and the refs, even the ref head official said on the play where they called romo for losing a down due to throwing the ball away under pressure was wrong

the head ref said that call against romo shouldnt have been called, all you had to do was look earlier on a play where eli manning was under more pressure from our defense, he threw the ball away, but wasnt called.

then, on the play where right before the giants scored before halftime, ware was called for being offsides, we had stopped them on that play, but was ruled ware offsides, if you look at the play and what troy aikman and joe buck said on the play, O'hara the center moved the football forward, and back, then snapped the ball,

(which is an old old play that offensive centers used to use on field goals attempts and punts, to get the opposing team to jump offsides, which is illegal), again, O'Hara moved the football and back, then snapped it, that is ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!

i do agree that the giants that day wanted it more than the cowboys, when your star QB has to yell at the offensive linemen, lets go, and they lackluster move up to the line of scrimmage, something is wrong, the giants wanted it more than the offense, now our defense to my mind played their heart out

and if you comment on the play before halftime, my answer to that is this;
whom was calling the defense right before halftime, was it steward or wade phillips, i believe it was stewart, he let his guard down, and the giants scored,

the same thing happened in the 2nd giant game of the season, right before halftime, the giants moved the football and scored, our defense let their guard down, now whom is calling defense, im not sure, but i do believe it is stewart,

I saw the game, if you want to make these claim then so be it but the Cowboys did not play well enough to win. The Giants did end of story you want to cry like some sore loser be my guest by it gets old every time this team loses to start seeing fans claim of how everyone hates the Cowboys and the refs gave it to the other team or that team cheated. No one cheated and the refs did their job. Do refs make mistake of course they do just as players make mistake and coahces make mistake it has always been that way and always will but anyone who want to look at this game from a pure football stand points knows darn well the reason Dallas lost is because we did not play good enough to win

 

[triplets92]

I hated we lost but the bottom line is the team did not play well enough to win. I'm not a sore loser I'll tip my hat to the other team and if there is disappointment then it is the disappointment that our team did not play good enough to get the job done. When I know we have the talent to win and failed then you look in the mirror not at the other team. Hollering how the Giants cheated or the refs gave it to them sounds like something a whinny little kid who is a sore loser would say. Sports is all about winning and losing and anyone who has played sports at any level has experienced both how you handle it says a lot about you as a person

I played football since I was 11 i understand it's about winnig and losing and I also understand the meaning of a rival. I'm not saying they cheated or the refs did I'm saying we lost to a rival and that's enough to make me bitter and sour all off season. It would have hurt just as bad if they beat us in the reguler season but they beat us in the playoffs. all i'm saying is that they could have cheated to the point it was obivous to everyone or they could have played a fair game it doesn't matter the outcome is still the same and I will still be bitter sour and a "sore loser"

 

[Doomsday101]

I played football since I was 11 i understand it's about winnig and losing and I also understand the meaning of a rival. I'm not saying they cheated or the refs did I'm saying we lost to a rival and that's enough to make me bitter and sour all off season. It would have hurt just as bad if they beat us in the reguler season but they beat us in the playoffs. all i'm saying is that they could have cheated to the point it was obivous to everyone or they could have played a fair game it doesn't matter the outcome is still the same and I will still be bitter sour and a "sore loser"

As I said I hated losing as well but in the end it was nothing the Giants did, it was what the Cowboys failed to do that hurts. It could have been an NFC West and the hurt would be the same and the disappointment that in the big game this team failed to do what they are capable of for me that is what hurts when you know your team did not live up to what they can do

 

[cowboyjoe]

im making more than a claim, when the head official of the NFL says they blew a call on Romo, then they made a mistake a big one, and that only points to more blown calls that they made

sure, the giants beat us due to the fact that the so called leaders on the cowboys didnt want it bad enough, that is really the biggest problem with the Dallas Cowboys, they seem to be content to get their pro bowl honors, and get to the playoffs like in 2003, 2005, and last year, but not having the heart, desire, intensity to really want to win. Thats the main problem to me. but it sure doesnt help when refs blow the calls, when the commissioner has new ref crews work with a head ref that that ref crew hasnt worked together before.

now that is wasnt fair, and again the Head Ref of the NFL officiating crew said, they blew the call on Romo,

 

[cowboyjoe]

and sure, its a smart play on O'Hara the center to move the football, forward, back and then snap it to get a defensive player to jump offsides, but again thats illegal.

to me, there should be a new rule, just like when the NFL made a rule against Erik Williams for hands to the face, Emmitt Smith for taking off his helmet, the roy williams rule of not grabbing a players jersey and jumping on his legs, and the list goes on and on,

what im saying, there should be an NFL Rule, the O'Hara Rule, no moving the football forward and backward, then snapping the football, thats illegal, plain and simple,

 

[Doomsday101]

im making more than a claim, when the head official of the NFL says they blew a call on Romo, then they made a mistake a big one, and that only points to more blown calls that they made

sure, the giants beat us due to the fact that the so called leaders on the cowboys didnt want it bad enough, that is really the biggest problem with the Dallas Cowboys, they seem to be content to get their pro bowl honors, and get to the playoffs like in 2003, 2005, and last year, but not having the heart, desire, intensity to really want to win. Thats the main problem to me. but it sure doesnt help when refs blow the calls, when the commissioner has new ref crews work with a head ref that that ref crew hasnt worked together before.

now that is wasnt fair, and again the Head Ref of the NFL officiating crew said, they blew the call on Romo,

As I said refs do make mistake as do players and coaches but in the end do you think Dallas played good enough to win? Myself no I don't think they came close to playing up to their ability so if fault lies with anyone it lies with the team. As for the Giants they entered the playoffs as a road wildcard team and as underdogs and went down the hard road to face an undefeated team in the SB and pulled off what very few thought they could do. I will always give credit where credit is due and the Giants deserve all the credit for their success because they earned it.

 

[Boysboy]

im making more than a claim, when the head official of the NFL says they blew a call on Romo, then they made a mistake a big one, and that only points to more blown calls that they made

sure, the giants beat us due to the fact that the so called leaders on the cowboys didnt want it bad enough, that is really the biggest problem with the Dallas Cowboys, they seem to be content to get their pro bowl honors, and get to the playoffs like in 2003, 2005, and last year, but not having the heart, desire, intensity to really want to win. Thats the main problem to me. but it sure doesnt help when refs blow the calls, when the commissioner has new ref crews work with a head ref that that ref crew hasnt worked together before.

now that is wasnt fair, and again the Head Ref of the NFL officiating crew said, they blew the call on Romo,

Well-the Chargers had it worse in the earlier game. Rivers/LT went down, and they had a TON of blown calls go against their way(if you remember Cromartie's INT TD, it was called back b/c of a hold, although the replay showed that Charger player just merely FELL DOWN on that Colts player).

Guess what-they still won.:bang2:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh geez. The tested, tried, and true method of blaming the refs for stealing the game from us. Lets just totally forget all the mental errors, overthrown passes, dropped balls, missed tackles, and blown coverages that obviously didn't have anything to do with our loss. It was all those blasted refs STEALING the game from us.

LOL. Please.

 

[cowboyjoe]

thats exactly what im saying the refs in the giants game, were well known for calling plays against the home team, not the head ref in the game, but the rest of the ref crew.

why would the commissioner have refs that havent worked together call a big game like that? makes you wonder and think, or at least it should

next, there was a play where the giants had a big punt return, and on that play, on the tv screen clearly you can see a giant football player pull a dallas cowboys player down by the jersey and down onto the ground, VERY OBVIOUS HOLDING, WAS HOLDING CALLED ON THE GIANT PLAYER NO!!!! BUT LATER IN THE GAME ONE WAS SURE CALLED ON A DALLAS COWBOY PLAYER,

AGAIN BIASED TOWARDS THE HOME TEAM, AND THE TEAM ON THE ROAD!!!!!

just shows you, when a Head Official of the NFL says, the call against Romo shouldnt have been called, it was a mistake; makes you realize, if the refs were calling it like that, there were other plays just as bad, and there were against the cowboys.

just bad officiating, at the same time, i do agree that some of the dallas cowboys players seems like they could care a bleep about winning in the playoffs, they are more content on getting pro bowl honors, partying, then really caring about the game with heart, desire and intensity and a swagger.

till that changes, i dont see the cowboys going anywhere in playoffs, till the players have that anguish on their face for losing, hurt, anger, and they want to do something about it, so it wont happen again, thats what really truthfully needs to be corected,, but at same time, doesnt help when the refs blow calls by bad, YESSSSSSSSSS BAD OFFICIATING!!!!!!!!!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Bravo. Now go watch EVERY OTHER NFL game and tell me all about how the teams that lose only lose because the referees screwed them or missed calls.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I LEARNED THIS FROM JIMMY JOHNSON!

you win championships with heart, desire, momentum, knowing your going to win, when the coaches puts the players in postiion to win. Then, from Parcells, (just like Johnson did with refs) you go over with the players what kind of refs are in the game, some refs might call more on defensive holding or late hits on the QB, whereas other refs might call more on offensive line holding for example.

So, you prepare your team to win, get the players that want to win. Like Michael Irvin said, when after the 1988 season, some guys told Irvin, dont worry man, your still gonna get your paycheck. So Irvin told Johnson when he got there was players were more interested in a pay check and what players wanted to win. We all saw how much of a revolving door there was the first 2 years with Jimmy Johnson. Like Johnson said, fatigue makes cowards of you, if your not in shape. To make that even further, if your heart isnt into football, youll be a coward to when the game is on the line.

Which, makes it difficult when refs call bad games.

Now, lets look at the Cowboys Giants playoff game at what bad calls I can recall to mind.

First one, bad call on Romo for throwing the football away, refs admitted bad call
Second, Ware jumped offsides due to smart play by O'Hara moving the football forward and back, then snapping it, again ILLEGAL PLAY!
Third, On big punt return by Giants that opened up the game, a giant player grabs a dallas cowboys player by the jersey, yanks him down and backwards, but no call was made.
Fourth, the call on BIgg Leonard Davis, for illegal hit, My God, this is NFL football, when a player isnt allowed to hit a player, anyway, Strahan was getting up off of the ground, Davis comes forward and pops Strahan, the play was still alive, but the ref threw a flag on Davis. what would you say if Davis hadnt hit Strahan and let Strahan get all the way up off of the ground, hit Romo and knock him out of the game,even maybe injure Romo, what would you say then?

These were all game changing plays to my mind that kept the Giants in the ball game till they won. I might be wrong, but I dont think so.

Again, I agree that the Cowboys should have won, but seems like they didnt have the heart, desire, intensity and swagger to want to win. Till that is fixed, wont matter how many bad calls the refs make, or dont make, the dallas cowboys players have to want to win. Point Blank!

The Head Coach has got to want to win, keep the players in rhythm, keep them in shape, and the head coach Wade Phillips himself must put the effort forward to do these things, and motivate the team, you cant have camp cupcake in december and expect to win.

I admit I am a die hard dallas cowboys fan, and it hurts when they dont play like they should, kinda ticks me off when they do that, and it hurts when the refs make bad calls, that could have changed the game. That even further ticks me off. You cant win a game when refs make bad calls, no matter how good your team is, but you have to have heart to want to win too. The giants did want to win that ball game, probably more than most of the dallas cowboy players wanted to win. Till that is changed with the attitude of the current dallas cowboys players, then we wont win championships till it is.

 

[notherbob]

A few words to the wise...To all the loyal fans on this board who live and die with their favorite team.

I feel your pain I used to be that way, too, until the Cowboys lost to the Colts and the refs in SB V. I was in agony and anger for months and nearly lost my job over it. Eventually I got over it when I realized I was over-reacting to a game I didn't even play in. I also realized that if I had gotten mad and suffered a stroke and died that the team wouldn't know it and even if they did, no one would attend my funeral or express any real regret at my demise. This realization allowed me to remove my emotions from games I didn't even play in and helped me to learn to enjoy the games without pain and anger.

I hope for your sakes that you will come to peace with this, too.

If you got mad and popped a brain artery and died, would billionaire Jones come to your funeral or supply your survivors with team memorabelia? Would any members of the coaching staff? Would any members of the team? Would anybody even remotely connected to the team care? If the answer is no, maybe you should get a life worth living and rearrange your priorities so that they make you happy instead of frustrated, hurt and angry.

That doesn't mean you should stop being a fan, only that you should take a whole new look at how much emotion you should invest in people who don't really care about you and who gouge every cent out of you they can get for tickets, parking, programs, caps, jerseys, etc and who give not one cent of your money back. Do the players you so adore give you free autographs?

Perhaps you should consider putting yourself and your family first instead of them. Just a thought. People have done dumber things.

 

[jaybird]

Right on the money. and how about that terribe 15 yard facemask call before the half that lead to the tying TD?that call should have been a 5 yarder. they gave the Giants calls all day long. it was a joke the crew that ref that game.that crew was known to always screw the home team. and they screwed us bigtime.

I'm not going to say the refs caused the Boys to loose. However, that freakin call on Bigg just becaues Strahan cryed to the refs like a liitle girl burns my rear to this day. "Hitting away from the play". Give me a freakin break! Strahambone was getting up with the intent of tearing Romo's head off and Bigg did what he get's paid to do.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not going to say the refs caused the Boys to loose. However, that freakin call on Bigg just becaues Strahan cryed to the refs like a liitle girl burns my rear to this day. "Hitting away from the play". Give me a freakin break! Strahambone was getting up with the intent of tearing Romo's head off and Bigg did what he get's paid to do.

I would not have been called except for the fact Romo had already released the ball. It was a stupid penalty for Davis to pick up.

 

[Boysboy]

I'm not going to say the refs caused the Boys to loose. However, that freakin call on Bigg just becaues Strahan cryed to the refs like a liitle girl burns my rear to this day. "Hitting away from the play". Give me a freakin break! Strahambone was getting up with the intent of tearing Romo's head off and Bigg did what he get's paid to do.

 

[coach316]

Boy you people are good losers. let me make myself clear. im a sore loser and proud of it. all you people taking this loss so well make me sick. i meet Giants fans everyday where i work. and most of them are a bunch of cowboys haters. so dont tell me how good giants fans are. the refs stole that freaking game. some of you people take losing to well. maby that explains why we have not won a playoff game in over 10 years.dont ever be good about losing folks.

As a coach (not football) of 22 years I tell my players all the time: Play well enough that you take the refs out of the equation. Don't give them an excuse to be a factor in the game. If you don't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Putting the blame on anyone that didn't play in the game only smacks of a lack of accountability. Stand up and take responsibility for your actions and failures. Don't blame somebody or something else.

 

[Boysboy]

As a coach (not football) of 22 years I tell my players all the time: Play well enough that you take the refs out of the equation. Don't give them an excuse to be a factor in the game. If you don't, you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Putting the blame on anyone that didn't play in the game only smacks of a lack of accountability. Stand up and take responsibility for your actions and failures. Don't blame somebody or something else.

To be frank-Jason Garrett was actually FAR WORSE than the refs that day, why? B/c he failed to call more pass plays to exploit the Giants' depleted secondary. It was no different from last year when Seattle ended up dragging corners off the street, but Parcells nonetheless relied on a conservative, run-oriented attack.

Yeah-the same posters here who were willing to give Garrett slack that day for "being human" are also the same people who are still harping on the refs, even though they were "being human" as well.:bang2:

 

[jobberone]

All I can say is wow. The human race continues to amaze me even after all these years. I will never learn I guess. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe I'm just way too naive.

I hope that loss makes every Cowboy choke everytime they think of it. I mean bad. I'll bet you there is not one Cowboy who is willing to blame the refs for that loss. Not one. Yeah, they missed a few but the Giants won because they played the best game I've seen a team play in a very long time. They played as well as they can from a talent standpoint and they played mistake free. If it doesn't stick in their craw for the entire season then they will have a hard time being consistent winners esp in the playoffs.