I'm sorry but Cooper Rush isn't good

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Naw man you just build a defense like the '85 Bears, '86 Giants, '00 Ravens or '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks or '14 Broncos and you can win a championship with your or me at QB. I mean how hard can it be? :cool:
Right that's the only way and be so good in the trenches your run game is dynamic and you can cover up a backup quarterback people in here are delusional thinking that you could just do that because a guy like say Nick Foles won a Super Bowl or Burlein held the spot for a little while or something like that but it's very unheard of is there ripping on rush what else do you expect with the team he's playing on right at the moment he's not very athletic or special he does nothing but he is pretty good at running this offense but how many teams in the league don't even have a starter and they're expecting the Dallas Cowboys to have a backup option at quarterback where no other team in the league even has a great starter they're searching for starters and they want us to have some dynamic backup quarterback that can just take us to the promised land no that's delusional somebody's living in the fantasy football world...

Sometimes when they see guys like garoppolo and bortles and Sanchez and yeah I think they're mentioned in here Kaepernick and some others that have made championship games and or a Super Bowl it wasn't because of them they were on dynamic teams that could carry a system quarterback when needed but that doesn't happen very often that is a anomaly that is not the standard in the NFL you lose your superstar especially at quarterback it's pretty much over....

I don't think they understand those defenses were holding teams under 14 points and some of the best ones I believe that one Ravens defense all year long the entire year including the playoffs and Super Bowl they hold teams under 12 points you know how crazy that is especially this day and age that's not happening again that's very rare even the legion of boom wasn't that good they were just able to stop teams when they wanted to but I don't know what their point output was but those Ravens and bears defenses were just ridiculous I mean all you had to do is try to score like a couple of field goals and maybe a touchdown yeah like something Cooper Russ could do but if you have to get into a shootout nowadays with the way they have wide open offenses that are tearing apart defenses a backup quarterback ain't gonna get it done especially without a good running game.

What's surprisingly enough it's crazy our run game improved the last four weeks our offensive line looked better our defense looked improved and that's the only reason Cooper rush was surviving these games were at least competitive but most of the time when you go to your backup it's over.....
 

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They may as well tank with Trey at this point
what do you mean tank they're losing just fine I'd rather have a competitive game like the other night I would've loved them to have won that game but in the end it didn't hurt when they lost all I did is shake my head because this is exactly how the rest of the season has been all he needed to do was feel that putt and then try to get into field goal range with a kicker that could kick probably a 70 yard field goal but then you have something great happen it is not bad to have blocked that punt what was bad as it happened to hit a player that didn't know the rule going full speed he grabbed at the ball but you know what in the end it didn't get us a better draft pick we lost the game but yet everyone in here is arguing and talking about it like it's a bad thing now it's a learning experience for those players..

but we don't need to tank on purpose, there's not a single player or coach, or owner or GM that even use that word, not even a real word that is a fan born narrative. Facts

when you're bad you lose games that's it you get the draft pick you get... but you can't lose games on purpose it does not protect the integrity of the game, the very fabric of competitive sports is not fair to other teams they're looking for a playoff spot for you to lay down and give them a freebee to team they are fighting against for the last spot????
 

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Other than Mahomes, how many elite quarterbacks are playing up to their contracts in the NFL?

What's the playoff records of these elite quarterbacks making elite money? I'll guarantee you that all max contract quarterbacks don't have pretty playoff numbers. That includes some quarterbacks we call "elite".
So you play with a QB that may have faults, but has abilities to win. Dak needs too much (whilst taking that massive CAP hit).....O-Line, receiving, running game, and a defense that won't allow the opposition to run the clock down which puts Dak into panic mode.
This thread is about how poor the $2m back-up QB is, well duh, but he's playing on a restricted roster that's missing its overpaid QB1
 

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Most of the debate around Lamar Jackson is about is playoff performances and those who think he is more of an RB than a QB. But anyone with credible football knowledge would know that Lamar would have been signed as a starter for another team if he was a true unattached free agent, who was allowed to start all over with a contract negotiations to whichever team wanted him.

The Rush defender is really reaching to act like that's the same as Rush not getting any offers from other teams despite being available for pick up when he was on the Cowboys practice squad and was a free agent.
this guy is known to be wanting attention with making wild claims and as people have realized who he is, he has to get even more wild with his statements.

now, ask him an actual football question and he goes blank and perhaps even starts crying....

his schtick is to get attention and prior he was getting it by constantly bashing Garrett...then garrett left and he literally disappeard for a few years, until now, where he attacks dak and makes wild claims he has not proof of.

we keep him around for entertainment....the monkey in the middle ;)
 

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the question is not cap space....its never been an issue. we had 23M on the cap this year and could have used it to sign a legit DT...but didn't.
the question is will we spend the cap space and the answer is clearly no.

and I am sure most will respond with, we need the cap space for next year, and the year after and the year afte....yet Jerry said he is all in......
you get a small window to do something special in the NFL and then pay the piper with dead cap space.....you don't just worry about next year all the time..... you win now.
look at the Rams...they went all in and they won a superbowl.
Philly reloaded with a bunch of new top 5 contracts they handed out...they are top 2 in NFC....

and I read multiple articles that with 3, 4 contract restructures we can open up about 65-70M in cap space....and we can still redo Dak's contract to have more space.

you don't live today for cap space of tomorrow. you invest today.....you had a 12-5 team that needed DL help and some saftey help...you go out and get it...you don't say, but 2025!!!!
secondly, there are 9 other teams that have QBs that are averaging 52M or more...you want to tell me because of 8M we are handicapped to sucking!!!! how is they are doing it? that includes GB, Detroit., chargers....

no, this narrative of cap space issue can be easily managed with a competent GM
???? 'All-in', you actually fell for that geeez.
This was never All-In, it was a soft reset probably as a test to see whether Mike was worth an extension and spending in 2025.
Unfortunately, even that plan has been binned as Dak isn't the QB to build around (on such a CAP hit), Mike's not the coach and there are holes throughout thd roster.
 

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You're right; I was mistaken.
Still, no other team showed interest.
It doesn't mean Rush is less of a player simply because he stayed in Dallas.
He's proven he can win in the NFL against top teams.
However, none of this matters anymore.
Jerry has destroyed the franchise we once loved, replacing it with a circus.
If you still want to cheer the circus, that's your call.
I don't.
so you just spoke from both sides of your mouth as you often tend to do.

you admit you made a mistake but in the next sentence you still argue to say you were right!!!!!!!!!...
of course other teams didn't show interest because they had to give up two first round picks and even if they tried, Ravens could easily match!!!!!!!

geez dude. give it a rest. you were wrong. completely wrong. you were lazy. didn't check facts before posting, because your goal was to win an argument, which you lost.

Rush is absolutely less of a player. he was FA twice and nobody signed him. NOBODY wanted him even as a back up...meaning 31 other teams said, we have better options. he was left UNPROTECTED, meaning it cost the other team NOTHING to sign him and cowboys wouldn't have a recourse....NOBODY WABTED RUSH....
 

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???? 'All-in', you actually fell for that geeez.
This was never All-In, it was a soft reset probably as a test to see whether Mike was worth an extension and spending in 2025.
Unfortunately, even that plan has been binned as Dak isn't the QB to build around (on such a CAP hit), Mike's not the coach and there are holes throughout thd roster.
I didn't fall for it, as I know jerry BS a lot..

but my point is, if we really wanted to, if we really had a good GM, we could have made moves, but we CHOSE not to....
this year we had 23M on the cap
last year we had 15
the year before about 20
and the year before that about 18 (including trading A Cooper and eating his dead cap).

cap has not been an issue, is not an issue and can be managed with someone competent at the helm

how is it that Eagles handed out top position contracts to Hurts (top 5), Brown (3rd highest), lane Johnson (2nd highest), Mailata (6th hoghest), slay (top 15), smith (11th highest), Goedert (4th highest) and yet they are able to field a competitive team.
Hurts makes 51M..... signed a couple of years back....9M is not the difference between being able to be competitive or not.

the Dak is hurting cap space, therefore we can't narrative has to stop. its not an issue if we had a competent GM. because we don't. even mahomes couldn't win here.
 

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You're right; I was mistaken.
Still, no other team showed interest.
It doesn't mean Rush is less of a player simply because he stayed in Dallas.
He's proven he can win in the NFL against top teams.
However, none of this matters anymore.
Jerry has destroyed the franchise we once loved, replacing it with a circus.
If you still want to cheer the circus, that's your call.
I don't.
I have nothing against Cooper Rush, hes one of best backup QBs in football, but he's certainly nowhere near as valuable as Lamar Jackson. Jackson just being on the field forces defenses into certain packages, coverages, etc. Cooper Rush being on the field does none of that.

I'd love to see a team gamble on a backup like Rush to start for a 3 year/$30M type of contract to see how it plays out, but itll never happen because of how limited he is physically. I do think he is wildly underrated in his ability to run the offense though. He is very good presnap and is a reason we have 10 other guys on offense who seem to be playing at a higher level than they were early on.
 

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I didn't fall for it, as I know jerry BS a lot..

but my point is, if we really wanted to, if we really had a good GM, we could have made moves, but we CHOSE not to....
this year we had 23M on the cap
last year we had 15
the year before about 20
and the year before that about 18 (including trading A Cooper and eating his dead cap).

cap has not been an issue, is not an issue and can be managed with someone competent at the helm

how is it that Eagles handed out top position contracts to Hurts (top 5), Brown (3rd highest), lane Johnson (2nd highest), Mailata (6th hoghest), slay (top 15), smith (11th highest), Goedert (4th highest) and yet they are able to field a competitive team.
Hurts makes 51M..... signed a couple of years back....9M is not the difference between being able to be competitive or not.

the Dak is hurting cap space, therefore we can't narrative has to stop. its not an issue if we had a competent GM. because we don't. even mahomes couldn't win here.
So now look at the CAP for the next couple of years.
Jerry's still got 40m of Dak's CAP to incorporate, (which helped us get to 12-5 in the past 3 seasons)....so it's not a $9m difference with Hurts. Btw didn't Hurts 'help out' by signing a longer contract, unlike Dak with his shorter 'I want another payday' contract.
The narrative with Dak is that you can't pay him AND a team that alleviates his inability to play when pressured in play-offs (or against most every good team).
 

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So now look at the CAP for the next couple of years.
Jerry's still got 40m of Dak's CAP to incorporate, (which helped us get to 12-5 in the past 3 seasons)....so it's not a $9m difference with Hurts. Btw didn't Hurts 'help out' by signing a longer contract, unlike Dak with his shorter 'I want another payday' contract.
The narrative with Dak is that you can't pay him AND a team that alleviates his inability to play when pressured in play-offs (or against most every good team).
Well said. The issue with the Dak contract isnt the AAV...Its the fact that its a 3rd contract that has large number of carry over money from his 2nd contract being mismanaged by Jerry/Stephen. The 4 year deals have also been a negative factor as well. Redoing a contract after 4 years never really gives a team the ability to get ahead of the cap. Hurts signed a 5 year deal while still under his rookie contract, essentially making it a 6 year agreement to spread money out over. Most teams are getting their QBs extended early for this same reason. This is why Josh Allen and Mahomes signed mega deals but really havent hurt their teams all that much with their ability to spend.
 

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So now look at the CAP for the next couple of years.
Jerry's still got 40m of Dak's CAP to incorporate, (which helped us get to 12-5 in the past 3 seasons)....so it's not a $9m difference with Hurts. Btw didn't Hurts 'help out' by signing a longer contract, unlike Dak with his shorter 'I want another payday' contract.
The narrative with Dak is that you can't pay him AND a team that alleviates his inability to play when pressured in play-offs (or against most every good team).
again I understand. but why didn't he spend the money this year? he had 23M in cap space.
if we were truly all in, then a 12-5 team should be able to sign a couple of key FAs to close the gap to make a run this year. not worry about, how do I manage my cap in 25 and 26..

and again, we can have 65-70M in cap space in 25 with a few restructures and that includes Dak's 90M cap hit.

the fact is that the cowboys are 29th in dead cap money...why? because Jerry runs the contracts to the end, and doesn't cut players early. compare that to other teams. they get rid of fat cats that don't produce.

this cap is not of Dak's doing. its of Jerry's doing and how he has managed and handled contracts. and first time around Dak and jerry figured out a way to get a 4 year contract into a 6 year structure for cap management. its doable.
and if Dak wants a 4 year contract, then Jerry should walk away. nobody is holding a gun to his head..... this is not of Dak's doing. its like I have a car to sell. I am going to ask for 3 times the market price. if you buy it, you can't complain. no one forced you. you could have walked away. but when you bought it, then just deal with it.

and Dak's ability/inability to play in playoffs is whole separate discussion.... this is just about cap management and its not an issue handicapping the cowboys.
we can debate Dak's shortcoming until cows come home. there is only 1 elite QB in the league and 2 really good ones that are close. so do the other 29 teams just pack it in? no they find a way to compete. its harder, but doable. SF did. and no one can tell me Purdy is elite. Eagles did it and doing it again. no one can tell me Hurts is elite.

but the cap is not an issue for cowboys to be handicapped and not be able to sign players in FA. its stupidity of the GM. now, should we have moved on from Dak, most probably. I advocated that its best for both parties to part ways. Jerry didn't do it.
 

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I get that he is a backup. He has done well for us, and has done his job...BUT FOR EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD DO WE KNOW OF ANOTHER BACKUP WHO IS AS UNATHLETIC AS COOPER RUSH?!!!
In the scheme of things, he stinks. He has one of the worst arms in the NFL among backups. That’s saying a lot.
 

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Why do we keep making these threads to **** on Cooper Rush? What do you want him to do? He's the backup QB, he's the backup FOR A REASON. I blame exactly none of this on him.
Many are still blaming it on the guy that’s been out for the season the past 5 games. Fans keep making threads on him. There’s fools that have claimed Rush is our best QB. :laugh:
 

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What's surprisingly enough it's crazy our run game improved the last four weeks our offensive line looked better our defense looked improved and that's the only reason Cooper rush was surviving these games were at least competitive but most of the time when you go to your backup it's over.....
So...what is the reason the run game and defense is suddenly better with coop?
 

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Many are still blaming it on the guy that’s been out for the season the past 5 games. Fans keep making threads on him. There’s fools that have claimed Rush is our best QB. :laugh:
Maybe if Dak wasn't the highest paid player in the history of NFL, getting the same results as a (barely) backup "noodle arm" QB,there wouldn;t be as many threads or as much criticism.

Yeah..I know "team game blah blah blah". :rolleyes:
 

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again I understand. but why didn't he spend the money this year? he had 23M in cap space.
if we were truly all in, then a 12-5 team should be able to sign a couple of key FAs to close the gap to make a run this year. not worry about, how do I manage my cap in 25 and 26..

and again, we can have 65-70M in cap space in 25 with a few restructures and that includes Dak's 90M cap hit.

the fact is that the cowboys are 29th in dead cap money...why? because Jerry runs the contracts to the end, and doesn't cut players early. compare that to other teams. they get rid of fat cats that don't produce.

this cap is not of Dak's doing. its of Jerry's doing and how he has managed and handled contracts. and first time around Dak and jerry figured out a way to get a 4 year contract into a 6 year structure for cap management. its doable.
and if Dak wants a 4 year contract, then Jerry should walk away. nobody is holding a gun to his head..... this is not of Dak's doing. its like I have a car to sell. I am going to ask for 3 times the market price. if you buy it, you can't complain. no one forced you. you could have walked away. but when you bought it, then just deal with it.

and Dak's ability/inability to play in playoffs is whole separate discussion.... this is just about cap management and its not an issue handicapping the cowboys.
we can debate Dak's shortcoming until cows come home. there is only 1 elite QB in the league and 2 really good ones that are close. so do the other 29 teams just pack it in? no they find a way to compete. its harder, but doable. SF did. and no one can tell me Purdy is elite. Eagles did it and doing it again. no one can tell me Hurts is elite.

but the cap is not an issue for cowboys to be handicapped and not be able to sign players in FA. its stupidity of the GM. now, should we have moved on from Dak, most probably. I advocated that its best for both parties to part ways. Jerry didn't do it.
Agree that Jerry and Dak and his contracts are the issues 1 and 2.
 

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Maybe if Dak wasn't the highest paid player in the history of NFL, getting the same results as a (barely) backup "noodle arm" QB,there wouldn;t be as many threads or as much criticism.

Yeah..I know "team game blah blah blah". :rolleyes:
People were doggin Dak when he was making peanuts. Hate is hate.. and it is seldom tied to any semblance of rationality, you of all people should understand that. Dak's cap hit this year has zero to do with how this team has played most of the season. The Cowboys have over 20 million under the cap that they chose to push into next year. They could have gone after another playmaker or two but chose not to for reasons only they can explain. They sat around until the 11th hour on both Dak AND CeeDee's contracts when they could possibly have done either contract earlier and had more maneuverability to make moves instead of waiting for the shoe to drop on both. Jerry and Sons mishandled this offseason about as badly as they could have. That's why we are where we are. Blaming Dak's contract is the work of lazy minds because it shows that the people doing so don't even under the contract or the cap. They just hate Dak and that's enough. Don't be like those people (I don't think you are). The Dak hate threads have been around pretty much since his rookie season. "It comes with the dinner," as Garrett used to say, as the Cowboys QB.
 
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