I'm sorry but Cooper Rush isn't good

[SteveTheCowboy]

People were doggin Dak when he was making peanuts. Hate is hate.. and it is seldom tied to any semblance of rationality, you of all people should understand that. Dak's cap hit this year has zero to do with how this team has played most of the season. The Cowboys have over 20 million under the cap that they chose to push into next year. They could have gone after another playmaker or two but chose not to for reasons only they can explain. They sat around until the 11th hour on both Dak AND CeeDee's contracts when they could possibly have done either contract earlier and had more maneuverability to make moves instead of waiting for the shoe to drop on both. Jerry and Sons mishandled this offseason about as badly as they could have. That's why we are where we are. Blaming Dak's contract is the work of lazy minds because it shows that the people doing so don't even under the contract or the cap. They just hate Dak and that's enough. Don't be like those people (I don't think you are). The Dak hate threads have been around pretty much since his rookie season. "It comes with the dinner," as Garrett used to say, as the Cowboys QB.

Never said anything about the cap hit. Or who they chose or not chose to sign.

And it's NOT "lazy" to say a highest paid player in NFL history should perform as such. And dak CLEARLY didn't to start the year. I didn;t necessary blame Dak...Jerry was the one that did big theatrics and wanted a splash play the day of a game.

Look Ron...I don't have anything against anything you said. Nothing particular wrong except that you kept using "hate"...which is extremely lazy and assuming. So anyone critical of anything is a hater. Come on.

And you think other fans aren't critical of their team or their players? Ridiculous. Never heard of paper bags, eh?

"comes with the dinner"? Yes...yes it does. When you get PAID...it most certainly does. That applies to ANYone...Lebron, Rodgers, Jim Carrey, Elon Musk...you name it. MOST CERTAINLY not just a Dallas Cowboys QB. So your Dak Protection Mode is quite silly.

 

[CowboyoWales]

People were doggin Dak when he was making peanuts. Hate is hate.. and it is seldom tied to any semblance of rationality, you of all people should understand that. Dak's cap hit this year has zero to do with how this team has played most of the season. The Cowboys have over 20 million under the cap that they chose to push into next year. They could have gone after another playmaker or two but chose not to for reasons only they can explain. They sat around until the 11th hour on both Dak AND CeeDee's contracts when they could possibly have done either contract earlier and had more maneuverability to make moves instead of waiting for the shoe to drop on both. Jerry and Sons mishandled this offseason about as badly as they could have. That's why we are where we are. Blaming Dak's contract is the work of lazy minds because it shows that the people doing so don't even under the contract or the cap. They just hate Dak and that's enough. Don't be like those people (I don't think you are). The Dak hate threads have been around pretty much since his rookie season. "It comes with the dinner," as Garrett used to say, as the Cowboys QB.

You're right for once, Dak's CAP HIT isnt the issue this year.....because the 3rd contract doesnt start until 2025.

Dont embarrass yourself by trying to support that last contract.....Jerry for giving it.......Dak for pressing for it. He didnt have to press for 4 years (and NTC), that's just putting his greed, over the Cowboys. If he'd given a career ending contract, then the WHOLE of the responsibility of the team building in the team building is on Jerry, however, because of this contract Dak takes his share, based on how he plays, or whether he plays.

 

[RonnieT24]

Never said anything about the cap hit. Or who they chose or not chose to sign.

And it's NOT "lazy" to say a highest paid player in NFL history should perform as such. And dak CLEARLY didn't to start the year. I didn;t necessary blame Dak...Jerry was the one that did big theatrics and wanted a splash play the day of a game.

Look Ron...I don't have anything against anything you said. Nothing particular wrong except that you kept using "hate"...which is extremely lazy and assuming. So anyone critical of anything is a hater. Come on.

And you think other fans aren't critical of their team or their players? Ridiculous. Never heard of paper bags, eh?

"comes with the dinner"? Yes...yes it does. When you get PAID...it most certainly does. That applies to ANYone...Lebron, Rodgers, Jim Carrey, Elon Musk...you name it. MOST CERTAINLY not just a Dallas Cowboys QB. So your Dak Protection Mode is quite silly.

Okay you are hung up on pay rather than cap hit? Is that your stance? I have a long standing policy of not reaching into another man's bank account. What they pay Dak or any other player is none of my concern. My concern is the cap hit(s) because that is what dictates how they can build my favorite team. As for the notion that paycheck determines how well a guy should play.. Come on man.. And yes I use the word hate. They dogged him before he was making any money no matter how well he played and they continue to dog him now no matter he well he plays only now they add "I don't like how much he is being PAID" to the equation. Other than that there is nothing new about those brain dead tropes.

Dak started out the year not playing well.. Some of it was him but some of it was also no running game, CeeDee missing all of camp and not being in synch with the offense, the defense allowing teams to flirt with 30 points by halftime in several games and most of all the line refusing to block anybody. Dak's paycheck wasn't going to help with any of those.. You know what would have helped? The team using that cap space to get better players. But I digress. Yes fans are critical of players.. Hell I am critical of players, including Dak. When he has played like crap I have stated as much only people blinded by their innate need to believe some people are always defending certain players .. you know like those who claim certain fans constantly defend Zeke? That's nonsense. You want to criticize play then criticize play. You want to criticize conditioning, preparation and attitude. That's all fair game. Bringing paycheck into the conversations looks like "hate" to me. Not a dime of any player's paycheck is coming out of my pocket. So aside from cap implications.. I do not care what they get paid. All professional sports salaries are absurd. Complaining the "most absurd" ones is pissin in the wind.

 

[noshame]

I hate to say it, but losing that game was not all on Cooper Rush.
I would call out Mike McCarthy for refusing to stick with a running game that was clearly working.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Okay you are hung up on pay rather than cap hit? Is that your stance? I have a long standing policy of not reaching into another man's bank account. What they pay Dak or any other player is none of my concern. My concern is the cap hit(s) because that is what dictates how they can build my favorite team. As for the notion that paycheck determines how well a guy should play.. Come on man.. And yes I use the word hate. They dogged him before he was making any money no matter how well he played and they continue to dog him now no matter he well he plays only now they add "I don't like how much he is being PAID" to the equation. Other than that there is nothing new about those brain dead tropes.

Dak started out the year not playing well.. Some of it was him but some of it was also no running game, CeeDee missing all of camp and not being in synch with the offense, the defense allowing teams to flirt with 30 points by halftime in several games and most of all the line refusing to block anybody. Dak's paycheck wasn't going to help with any of those.. You know what would have helped? The team using that cap space to get better players. But I digress. Yes fans are critical of players.. Hell I am critical of players, including Dak. When he has played like crap I have stated as much only people blinded by their innate need to believe some people are always defending certain players .. you know like those who claim certain fans constantly defend Zeke? That's nonsense. You want to criticize play then criticize play. You want to criticize conditioning, preparation and attitude. That's all fair game. Bringing paycheck into the conversations looks like "hate" to me. Not a dime of any player's paycheck is coming out of my pocket. So aside from cap implications.. I do not care what they get paid. All professional sports salaries are absurd. Complaining the "most absurd" ones is pissin in the wind.

Yes....I do make a connection to the paycheck. I'm not a hardliner about it. I know that some very good players, guys you really want and need on your team, don;t get "paid". I know other guys that had a couple good years and got their bank. Sometimes you outperform your contract and sometimes the contract outperforms you. Just how it goes. I know that QB's generally get paid more, and it's a different scale than say...LBer. There's a reason for that...well several maybe but one is they run the offense (which also does effect the D, just ask Micah). Everything goes through them...so they DO bear a lot of responsibility and...accountability.

My comment was more off-hand "joke" than my overall philosophy on players AND the pay they get. It usually doesn't matter and I usually don't even know. But Jerry..and Dak too...made such a spectacle of it this year but of course it's in the forefront. The "Big Money" guy HAS to perform well...and at least NOT contribute to losses and poor play. That really holds true for the QB regardless of paycheck. When it's the MOST MONEY EVER it adds to it.

I was never a big Dak critic...until last years GB game...and just a couple other plays late in the year. Like the one we need to run clock very late in the game and he heaves it out of bounds? Bonehead play contributing to a loss. I would have kept him on his contract, and let him sit if he objects. That turned out to be the correct path. I don't blame Dak at all....I blame Jerry...and especially THE WAY and THE TIMING of it.

For the record...to show it's not just " Dak hate" thing people love to throw around like idiots...I would have sat Zeke too and you know I was a huge fan. If it turned into an Emmitt thing, fine ok. But I stand my ground as long as possible...see what happens.

 

[Cmac]

Neither is Dak. Its catch 22 when both QBs suck.

Cooper, in the post game conferences needs to say more "I's" than "We's"......when answering about things that went wrong. At least Dak would stand up there and do so and get no mercy from this board. Cooper, we're listening, the stats show.....be better. Pay now, has nothing to do with the play on the field or give you a pass for "We's".

 

[Cmac]

It's definitely nonsense that members of this board use to bludgeon a QB that they don't like with. The reality is that paying your QB 40 or 50m a year DOES NOT keep you from spending in Free Agency, or handing out extensions to your key players. The Eagles have put together an absolutely ridiculous roster picking up free agents and hitting on good players in the draft. A quick look at Spotrac puts the "we have no cap space" narrative to bed, yet every time this is pointed out on this board the haters STRANGELY go silent or just ignore it and go right back to bleating about MUH CAP SPACE!!!!!!!1! over and over like idiots.

The salary cap in the NFL goes up every year because the league makes money hand over fist. From last season to this season, it went up something like 25m dollars. Contracts can be restructured to further lessen a cap hit. Even with Dak's megadeal in place, the Cowboys have something like 28m as of right now projected in cap space without taking into account any Salary Cap increase for next year. There will be plenty of money for maneuvering in Free Agency and extensions.

Been trying to tell them all year.....cap-strapped is a false narrative.

 

[Big_D]

Cooper, in the post game conferences needs to say more "I's" than "We's"......when answering about things that went wrong. At least Dak would stand up there and do so and get no mercy from this board. Cooper, we're listening, the stats show.....be better. Pay now, has nothing to do with the play on the field or give you a pass for "We's".

After 9 years of “I” need to do better, there’s really no getting better. You seem to be arguing semantics when one is the clear cut 1 and the other has minimal starts under his belt. And again the fact that Cooper Rush isn’t very good doesn’t justify keeping Prescott. The search for a new QB should’ve been under way years ago but this team never knows when to move on. Then paying him on opening day was the dumbest move imaginable.

 

[Cmac]

After 9 years of “I” need to do better, there’s really no getting better. You seem to be arguing semantics when one is the clear cut 1 and the other has minimal starts under his belt. And again the fact that Cooper Rush isn’t very good doesn’t justify keeping Prescott. The search for a new QB should’ve been under way years ago but this team never knows when to move on. Then paying him on opening day was the dumbest move imaginable.

I'm talking about Cooper, and some way, somehow.......the narrative swings back to Dak, as usual. Just commenting on Cooper's press conferences.......the words are coming out HIS mouth.

 

[Big_D]

I'm talking about Cooper, and some way, somehow.......the narrative swings back to Dak, as usual. Just commenting on Cooper's press conferences.......the words are coming out HIS mouth.

Again I don’t care what the backup QB has to say in a press conference compared to what the starter says ad nauseum. You compared the 2 like those words mean anything at this point, not the play on the field or value vs production. Thats long gone.

 

[Cmac]

Again I don’t care what the backup QB has to say in a press conference compared to what the starter says ad nauseum. You compared the 2 like those words mean anything at this point, not the play on the field or value vs production. Thats long gone.

Big_D.....I got it. No need to convince you or ponder about.....you're sold on your thoughts, and that's fine. I'm sticking with mine.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Never said anything about the cap hit. Or who they chose or not chose to sign.

And it's NOT "lazy" to say a highest paid player in NFL history should perform as such. And dak CLEARLY didn't to start the year. I didn;t necessary blame Dak...Jerry was the one that did big theatrics and wanted a splash play the day of a game.

Look Ron...I don't have anything against anything you said. Nothing particular wrong except that you kept using "hate"...which is extremely lazy and assuming. So anyone critical of anything is a hater. Come on.

And you think other fans aren't critical of their team or their players? Ridiculous. Never heard of paper bags, eh?

"comes with the dinner"? Yes...yes it does. When you get PAID...it most certainly does. That applies to ANYone...Lebron, Rodgers, Jim Carrey, Elon Musk...you name it. MOST CERTAINLY not just a Dallas Cowboys QB. So your Dak Protection Mode is quite silly.

so the same argument was made 4 years ago, when he got paid 40M and 2nd highest player at the time.....people said he should play like the 2nd highest player...etc.

then in 2 years he was 10th highest player. then is the expectations that he plays like the 10th best QB?

he got paid. he should play well. but its the NFL QB market. playing ability and performance, doesn't necessarily equal to pay. 4 years ago we bulked at 40M a year average salary. everyone said, then need to get it under control. its way too much. etc. now 15 QBs make 40M or more.....4 years from now, there will be 80M a year QBs.....

as long as the salary cap goes up. salaries go up.

its not about protecting Dak. its about building a team and is Dak the right player? and if not, then who? the challenge is our GM is clueless and his decisions are based on popularity and jersey sales and are purely financially driven. Dak was 5th in Jersey sales last year....that justifed Jerry signing him to the contract he gave him, as the ROI was solid...

 

[G2]

Many are still blaming it on the guy that’s been out for the season the past 5 games. Fans keep making threads on him. There’s fools that have claimed Rush is our best QB.

A fair amount of non related threads get trolled into being about the guy that is out the entire season.
It's an illness.

 

[RonnieT24]

Yes....I do make a connection to the paycheck. I'm not a hardliner about it. I know that some very good players, guys you really want and need on your team, don;t get "paid". I know other guys that had a couple good years and got their bank. Sometimes you outperform your contract and sometimes the contract outperforms you. Just how it goes. I know that QB's generally get paid more, and it's a different scale than say...LBer. There's a reason for that...well several maybe but one is they run the offense (which also does effect the D, just ask Micah). Everything goes through them...so they DO bear a lot of responsibility and...accountability.

My comment was more off-hand "joke" than my overall philosophy on players AND the pay they get. It usually doesn't matter and I usually don't even know. But Jerry..and Dak too...made such a spectacle of it this year but of course it's in the forefront. The "Big Money" guy HAS to perform well...and at least NOT contribute to losses and poor play. That really holds true for the QB regardless of paycheck. When it's the MOST MONEY EVER it adds to it.

I was never a big Dak critic...until last years GB game...and just a couple other plays late in the year. Like the one we need to run clock very late in the game and he heaves it out of bounds? Bonehead play contributing to a loss. I would have kept him on his contract, and let him sit if he objects. That turned out to be the correct path. I don't blame Dak at all....I blame Jerry...and especially THE WAY and THE TIMING of it.

For the record...to show it's not just " Dak hate" thing people love to throw around like idiots...I would have sat Zeke too and you know I was a huge fan. If it turned into an Emmitt thing, fine ok. But I stand my ground as long as possible...see what happens.

I can show you posts by yours truly over the spring and summer this year and in 2020 where I stated unequivocally that I wished that Dak would get over whole needing to be the highest paid and set the precedent of taking less so we could build a better team. I said the same thing about CeeDee's deal, Zeke's deal, Tyron, Tank, Zack you name it. It has ALWAYS been my stance that this silly insistence on being the highest paid for 5 minutes is just plain stupid.. Always has been and always will be. I would much rather play on a great team for 40 million a year and live in the playoffs than on a bad team for 60. But that's me. Many here have posted that they wouldn't. To each his or her own. The only stars who have given the Cowboys a "hometown discount" have been Diggs and Tyron. The rest have grabbed every nickel they could.. and I have been disappointed by it every time. I wish more guys would realize that playing deep into the playoffs every year is much better for them long term than trying to break the bank .. but I don't have to feed their families, answer to their wives or pay any of their bills. So I don't spend much time thinking about it. Again I worry about the salary cap and what they do on the field. The rest is just a waste of time even in the context of wasting time.

 

[CowboyoWales]

so the same argument was made 4 years ago, when he got paid 40M and 2nd highest player at the time.....people said he should play like the 2nd highest player...etc.

then in 2 years he was 10th highest player. then is the expectations that he plays like the 10th best QB?

he got paid. he should play well. but its the NFL QB market. playing ability and performance, doesn't necessarily equal to pay. 4 years ago we bulked at 40M a year average salary. everyone said, then need to get it under control. its way too much. etc. now 15 QBs make 40M or more.....4 years from now, there will be 80M a year QBs.....

as long as the salary cap goes up. salaries go up.

its not about protecting Dak. its about building a team and is Dak the right player? and if not, then who? the challenge is our GM is clueless and his decisions are based on popularity and jersey sales and are purely financially driven. Dak was 5th in Jersey sales last year....that justifed Jerry signing him to the contract he gave him, as the ROI was solid...

It's more about whether you can build a team around the strengths and weaknesses of the QB. The last three years of 8%, 8%, and 11% CAP hit we still couldn't give him the:RECEIVING, RUNNING, PROTECTION and RUN D that he needed.
Our GM is clueless, as exampled in Dak's forthcoming contract.....which is pretty much not going to get extended and thus not open to such restructuring as his present deal.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

so the same argument was made 4 years ago, when he got paid 40M and 2nd highest player at the time.....people said he should play like the 2nd highest player...etc.

then in 2 years he was 10th highest player. then is the expectations that he plays like the 10th best QB?

he got paid. he should play well. but its the NFL QB market. playing ability and performance, doesn't necessarily equal to pay. 4 years ago we bulked at 40M a year average salary. everyone said, then need to get it under control. its way too much. etc. now 15 QBs make 40M or more.....4 years from now, there will be 80M a year QBs.....

as long as the salary cap goes up. salaries go up.

its not about protecting Dak. its about building a team and is Dak the right player? and if not, then who? the challenge is our GM is clueless and his decisions are based on popularity and jersey sales and are purely financially driven. Dak was 5th in Jersey sales last year....that justifed Jerry signing him to the contract he gave him, as the ROI was solid...

All well and good. I think we're trying too hard to fit the offense into (imo) daks limited skill set.

But my point about "dak protection" is when people break their backs bending over backwards to protect dak from any criticism, especially the money. As if he's the only poor soul to get the treatment. You read my examples I assume. Asking for that kinda bag, and getting it, without any real important accomplishments is of course controversial. It's obvious dak could not care any less...why should he?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's more about whether you can build a team around the strengths and weaknesses of the QB. The last three years of 8%, 8%, and 11% CAP hit we still couldn't give him the:RECEIVING, RUNNING, PROTECTION and RUN D that he needed.
Our GM is clueless, as exampled in Dak's forthcoming contract.....which is pretty much not going to get extended and thus not open to such restructuring as his present deal.

agreed. the issue is the GM. he has the opportunity but he chose to pass on it for more profits.....that's all he cares about.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

All well and good. I think we're trying too hard to fit the offense into (imo) daks limited skill set.

But my point about "dak protection" is when people break their backs bending over backwards to protect dak from any criticism, especially the money. As if he's the only poor soul to get the treatment. You read my examples I assume. Asking for that kinda bag, and getting it, without any real important accomplishments is of course controversial. It's obvious dak could not care any less...why should he?

I am not trying to fit the offense into anything. that's not the argument. we can have multiple threads and 100s of pages of scheme, fit, player personnel discussion.

this is about salary cap implications. salary cap is not an issue.

I am not arguing if he is worth 60M or 50M or whatever. but that because of the salary we are not handicapped. salary cap is not the issue that this team is not succeeding. if you want to bring another 55,60M QB and build a team around them then awsome, lets figure out who and lets do it....and even then the salary cap is not an issue. look at Lions, look at Eagles, look at GB, look at chargers, look at ravens...all have 50M+ QBs and all are competitive and have built a team. Philly has 6 of the top 5 position contracts on their roster....detroit has similar 4 top 5 and 1 top 10 position contract on their team. both QBs make average 55M.

we have 4 of the top 5 position contracts and we are paralyzed and can't afford anything...all because of 5M more paid to Dak, we are doomed!!!!! makes zero sense. speaks to the incompetence of jerry.

so the cap is not the issue. its player personnel decisions jerry makes.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I am not trying to fit the offense into anything. that's not the argument. we can have multiple threads and 100s of pages of scheme, fit, player personnel discussion.

I know you aren't I was just sharing my opinion. When you said "does the player fit". You do remember?

its not about protecting Dak. its about building a team and is Dak the right player?

I sometimes think people don;t even know what they say. let alone what others are saying. Just arguing to argue.

And I have NEVER EVER worried or complained about cap issue. EVER. If I made a comment about paying Dak the most money ever in NFL (to date), has nothing to do with cap..if I don;t say "cap" then I am not talking about "cap".

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

A fair amount of non related threads get trolled into being about the guy that is out the entire season.
It's an illness.

You sure get trolled alot!