Im sorry, but T.O. is...

[1fisher]

what are you going to do if we don't?
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hey fish what r u 12 grow, I got the message leave it at that!

sounded as though you were going to bust some chops!!! and for the record, you can check my user profile if you want to know how old I am......


hey fish what r u 12 grow, ?????? am I missing something?

 

[Billy Bullocks]

God's last name isn't Damn!

I don't want TO here either!!!!!!!!!

Let's not get into that.

Ditto on the second thing you said.

 

[Hostile]

No question about it ...McNabb would be an asset to the COwboys or most teams.

Was he an asset to the Eagles last year?

 

[SultanOfSix]

I don't think it's all T.O.s fault in both situations. He talks a lot, but he backs it up on the playing field. The fact that a lot of players came to his defense in Philly suggests to me that there is a considerable amount of division in that locker room. Just because T.O. got into trouble in two places that he played doesn't mean he is a troublemaker. The guy practices and plays hard. I think he's just upset that he's been with two pseudo QBs - and yes, I believe both Garcia and McNabb are overrated. You didn't hear him complaining when Young was the QB.

There are two sides to every story, and the fact that there are people who have come to defend him proves to me that it's not as one sided as the media or the Philthy organization likes to incessantly suggest.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Was he an asset to the Eagles last year?

I didn't see a sarcasm face, so I'll assume you intended the question to be of a serious nature. Well, he was injured; but I'm sure you already knew that. Another contributing factor to his low performance (e.g., threw away some pivotal game deciding game picks; but then who knows the extent of his sports hernia at that point in time) both physically and mentally.

Hos, unless you have some strong feelings about this otherwise, perhaps you'd be willing to compromise. You see, aside from his performance on the field, I believe he served as an asset by representing the Eagles through the pressures of media conferences and Interviews regarding various insults from TO (this case nonwithstanding). As a leader of the Eagles offensive squad, he did maintain his composure under extreme situations that could have gone much worse and far More detrimental to the team.

Sure, aside from McNabb being the QB of my fandom, I think (and probably should have said earlier) ... "when healthy" D-Nabb is an asset to the Eagles.

You're going to slam dunk me now aren't you?!

 

[Jimz31]

TO was kicked off of his first college team FCOL. Essentially booted from SF, obviously kicked out of Philly, and STILL some people think he would be a great pick-up.

Zebra's don't change their stripes and TO is the epitomy of an NFL zebra....and I'm not talking about the refs here.

There isn't a team that he HASN'T had a problem with. It ALL has to do with the ME factor.....and that is ALL there is to it.

 

[Hostile]

I didn't see a sarcasm face, so I'll assume you intended the question to be of a serious nature. Well, he was injured; but I'm sure you already knew that. Another contributing factor to his low performance (e.g., threw away some pivotal game deciding game picks; but then who knows the extent of his sports hernia at that point in time) both physically and mentally.

Hos, unless you have some strong feelings about this otherwise, perhaps you'd be willing to compromise. You see, aside from his performance on the field, I believe he served as an asset by representing the Eagles through the pressures of media conferences and Interviews regarding various insults from TO (this case nonwithstanding). As a leader of the Eagles offensive squad, he did maintain his composure under extreme situations that could have gone much worse and far More detrimental to the team.

Sure, aside from McNabb being the QB of my fandom, I think (and probably should have said earlier) ... "when healthy" D-Nabb is an asset to the Eagles.

You're going to slam dunk me now aren't you?!

No, actually I'm not. I really wanted to know what you thought. I happen to really like McNabb. I just wondered because of the sports hernia thing if you felt he should have had surgery early to try and sustain another run or if you felt he did the right thing to try and play through it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

TO was kicked off of his first college team FCOL. Essentially booted from SF, obviously kicked out of Philly, and STILL some people think he would be a great pick-up.

Astonishing, isn't it?

Zebra's don't change their stripes and TO is the epitomy of an NFL zebra....and I'm not talking about the refs here.

There isn't a team that he HASN'T had a problem with. It ALL has to do with the ME factor.....and that is ALL there is to it.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

No, actually I'm not. I really wanted to know what you thought. I happen to really like McNabb. I just wondered because of the sports hernia thing if you felt he should have had surgery early to try and sustain another run or if you felt he did the right thing to try and play through it.

Sure, but I'll admit, I was a little selfish and thought the D-Nabb could pull us out of a bad season. Well, once again, hind-sight proves to be 20-20! If I could do it again, absolutely! As it stands now, I'm willing to wait until he is unquestionably 100% before his return to the grid-iron -- believe it or not, even if that means sitting out the pre-season. Hopefully, Eagles management will replace McMahon -- most Eagle fans seem to agree that he is definitely not the answer as a backup for McNabb.

 

[Cbz40]

I also have a question???? We all know that most of the problems, which have been well documented, were of TO's own doing.

My question is do you feel that McNabb should shoulder any of the blame? It seems that at least half of the team seemed to be in TO's corner. So was a lack of leadership skills by McNabb be held responsible for a few of the misunderstandings?

 

[notherbob]

Seems to me that the Philadelphia Eagles have a typical Labor vs. Management battle going on. I think the Eagles having so much cap room and not spending it on their players irritates some of the team members and McNabb and Douglas are taking the side of management.

Just a guess, but I think the Eagles are going to have their hands full this coming season and may not even finish any better than they did this past season.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I also have a question????

Actually you have two questions that I'll give a shot!

Question #1 - My question is do you feel that McNabb should shoulder any of the blame?

Honestly believe that McNabb may have shouldered more of the blame than the general public realize. We only know what the media tells us; what we read about in the paper, and what we see and Hear on TV/radio/websites, and MBs. I can empathize about how McNabb probably feels about bringing TO to Philly in the first place. But hindsight is indeed 20-20!

Question #2 - ...the team seemed to be in TO's corner. So was a lack of leadership skills by McNabb be held responsible for a few of the misunderstandings?

Do not concur that McNabb should have that "lack of leadership" tag you placed on him. Hence, going in, this question is complicated with innuendos that detract from what my response would be. That said, I'd have to say "NO." The essence of the TO dilema was money -- McNabb does not control the Eagles' purse strings. This isn't a "lack of leadership skills" or McNabb-related problem.

I've tried to answer your questinos candidly; however, I'll admit, I am somewhat biased about my starting QB. You'll have to sith through the response to determine the objectivity -- it's there.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Blame TO all you want. Scapegoat him.

The Eagles were never gonna recover from the NFC title losses and then the SB loss.

They were already in decline.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Blame TO all you want. Scapegoat him.

The Eagles were never gonna recover from the NFC title losses and then the SB loss.

They were already in decline.

You can see the correlation too?!

 

[Ashwynn]

To the guys that say, this isn't TO's fault. Let me ask you, who fault is it then?

When your greedy, selfish, turn others away from you with your words in the media. When your teams kick you off the team half way through the season for 'conduct detremental to the team' who should we blame the coach for not having more patience, the owner for not telling the coach to shut up and play him, the league for not stepping in and making the eagirls play him.

Why not rather do the smart thing and say if TO was not such an *** hat he would have home and a loving family in the NFL. When your an outcast, a parriah, a cancer, no one wants you. That can be no ones fault but your own, or in this case, no ones fault but TO's. Period.

You can say what you want to about the management not doing this or allowing that. But it comes down to the fact that out of all what 1000 players in the league, only one was suspended half way through the season by his team.

Why would a team cut its own throat by sitting the 'best receiver in the game'. Maybe because the eagirls are saying. Screw you TO, your not bigger then the team, the game or the country. Your just another person that is employed (and paid too well I might add).

When you make a mess of things and then run around telling pple its not your fault, allow others to sit there and say 'Its not his fault' then you are not living in reality.

If you can sit there and watch the whole TO incident unfold and then claim somehow he was mistreated or misused, then you dont live in reality.

Chances are someone will take a chance on this turd this year. Chances are also we can add another team to the list the TO has mad unhappy.

 

[Ashwynn]

TO was kicked off of his first college team FCOL. Essentially booted from SF, obviously kicked out of Philly, and STILL some people think he would be a great pick-up.

Zebra's don't change their stripes and TO is the epitomy of an NFL zebra....and I'm not talking about the refs here.

There isn't a team that he HASN'T had a problem with. It ALL has to do with the ME factor.....and that is ALL there is to it.

I thought Zebras were the refs. Hmmm....learn something new every day. I mean I knew he was a jack ***, but I did not know TO was a Zebra too. No wonder hes so confused.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This, to me, is an interesting issue. The Eagles, for many years have really held the line on contracts. Stars, long time vets, whatever. McNabb, on the other hand, received a very sizeable contract from the organization. I wonder how this plays in the locker room. I mean, I don't know at all but I would expect there is a certain amount of resentmant. The other issue I might look to would be McNabbs history in big games. Not saying he's not a great player. I think I've already established the fact that I do think he is one of the marquee guys in the league. Having said that, rumors of him being sick in the huddle, injured in key moments (IE, after INTs in big games etc.) that kind of thing. I wonder how that plays with other players. I wonder if it lends itself to allowing players to support TO. I mean, if he is succesful against the club, maybe it opens the door for others in there estimation. McNabb is a personable guy on interviews and there is no question about his talent but he has never come across as enough of a hard *** to get on guys when they screw things up. Sometimes you need that and like it or not, if your a leader, you gotta be able to do this. I wonder if the perception is that he might be a bit soft? No proof of any of this, of course. Just throwing things out there. On the surface, I can't see how anybody can look at TO and say he's right and McNappie is wrong. There has to be more.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Was he an asset to the Eagles last year?

Definitely.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

This, to me, is an interesting issue. The Eagles, for many years have really held the line on contracts. Stars, long time vets, whatever. McNabb, on the other hand, received a very sizeable contract from the organization. I wonder how this plays in the locker room. I mean, I don't know at all but I would expect there is a certain amount of resentmant. The other issue I might look to would be McNabbs history in big games. Not saying he's not a great player. I think I've already established the fact that I do think he is one of the marquee guys in the league. Having said that, rumors of him being sick in the huddle, injured in key moments (IE, after INTs in big games etc.) that kind of thing. I wonder how that plays with other players. I wonder if it lends itself to allowing players to support TO. I mean, if he is succesful against the club, maybe it opens the door for others in there estimation. McNabb is a personable guy on interviews and there is no question about his talent but he has never come across as enough of a hard *** to get on guys when they screw things up. Sometimes you need that and like it or not, if your a leader, you gotta be able to do this. I wonder if the perception is that he might be a bit soft? No proof of any of this, of course. Just throwing things out there. On the surface, I can't see how anybody can look at TO and say he's right and McNappie is wrong. There has to be more.

I think there is some resentment towards quarterbacks league wide. I don't think it's something that has to do with McNabb alone. In fact, I think when TO attacks quarterbacks, it's because he resents the value that is placed on them. He finds other reasons to go after them, but the resentment comes from money/value issues.

I don't think the team resents McNabb's performance in big games, but I do think TO held that against him. Trotter, Kearse and even Dawkins (plus some others) essentially disappeared against the Patriots as well... so it would be very selfish of them to put it all on Donovan's shoulders. In my mind the whole team choked including McNabb... yet I also think the better team won, so is that a choke? I still say yes it is because the Eagles were capable of being the better team that day and the Patriots gave them some chances to grasp that game.

The whole leadership issue is really a thread of it's own. After reading the numerous interviews, and things that have come out in years prior, I think McNabb IS a key leader of the Eagles. I just don't think he's a certain type of leader, the type that leads through aggression and being loud. Maybe the Eagles need that type of leader as well, but I don't think it has to be McNabb. Maybe Dawkins needs to step up, or Runyan, or Hugh, or one of the young guys. Or maybe McNabb should grow as a leader and embrace that "role" a little bit more.

McNabb is actually alot younger than most of the Eagles "core". I don't think he should have been expected to jump in to a more veteran group and assert himself over them. Sure, he should be a leader as the quarterback, but I don't know how successful it would have been if he tried to trump guys like Dawkins, Vincent, Douglas, Emmons - guys who were in the league before he was drafted.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think there is some resentment towards quarterbacks league wide. I don't think it's something that has to do with McNabb alone. In fact, I think when TO attacks quarterbacks, it's because he resents the value that is placed on them. He finds other reasons to go after them, but the resentment comes from money/value issues.

I don't think the team resents McNabb's performance in big games, but I do think TO held that against him. Trotter, Kearse and even Dawkins (plus some others) essentially disappeared against the Patriots as well... so it would be very selfish of them to put it all on Donovan's shoulders. In my mind the whole team choked including McNabb... yet I also think the better team won, so is that a choke? I still say yes it is because the Eagles were capable of being the better team that day and the Patriots gave them some chances to grasp that game.

The whole leadership issue is really a thread of it's own. After reading the numerous interviews, and things that have come out in years prior, I think McNabb IS a key leader of the Eagles. I just don't think he's a certain type of leader, the type that leads through aggression and being loud. Maybe the Eagles need that type of leader as well, but I don't think it has to be McNabb. Maybe Dawkins needs to step up, or Runyan, or Hugh, or one of the young guys. Or maybe McNabb should grow as a leader and embrace that "role" a little bit more.

McNabb is actually alot younger than most of the Eagles "core". I don't think he should have been expected to jump in to a more veteran group and assert himself over them. Sure, he should be a leader as the quarterback, but I don't know how successful it would have been if he tried to trump guys like Dawkins, Vincent, Douglas, Emmons - guys who were in the league before he was drafted.

I would say that you really can't look at TO and include him in a team view of how the Eagles see McNabb. To me, he is outside of that. I was surprised to hear the recent comment from Douglas on McNabb. In fact, I read about those after I'd posted the comments earlier so it was particularly interesting to hear that view, for me.

I agree with you on TO and how he views QBs but having said that, I think it's more then just the average resentment for Philly. I mean, no other team in the league holds the line on salary like the Eagles do. Too many good players have been allowed to walk or have just out right been sent packing because they wouldn't come in line with salary guidelines from the Eagles. I think this issue is a tender box and somebody like TO could easily spark it in Philly. He just handled the Eagles front office completely wrong IMO. He really should have sut the hell up and played it out. I think he could have worked with Philly behind the scense and possibly worked something out. I mean, it's not as if the team doesn't understand that he's not vital to that offense. I don't know, I could be wrong.

Either way, he's self distructive and will bring anybody within distance down with him once the ship starts going down.