I'm starting to want... with the Cowboys 2nd Rounder !!!!

[Doomsday101]

maybe it's time to start looking at some of the more physical CBs who are not elite at CB and move one of them to SS in the middle rounds of the draft.

Most of your college safeties weren't good enough in coverage to beat out their own teammates at CB, so except for the 1-3 elite safeties every year, maybe some of the slower, heavier CB's who are physical would be better at the pro safety position than many of the college safeties.

You have a point. Heck Darren Woodson was a LB at Arizona State made the transition very nicely

 

[jobberone]

The front seven is the most important. But they can get a decent safety in this draft is they do the work. Not like last year's four in the first but decent depth in this draft.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I predict there will be a safety run at the top of the round two. Smith might go in the first. Delmas won't make it to us, I am convinced of that.

We are at 51. There are at least nine teams I think could go after Delmas and Johnson. More than likely we are left with the scraps like Moore and Chung. In that case, I take Chung if I am forcing the issue.

It is not about liking Chung better. Delmas is clearly superior athletically and has a leader's mentality. Johnson is more of a true safety and extremely smart. If he's a better value than what else is there, take him. If not, pass.

We have several roads to take. We will have to get starting quality linemen (both sides of the ball) and ILB (even more scarce). Safety is but one dire need.

I'd rather just trade up 10-15 spots and take the guy I want(Sean Smith) than sit back and be "stuck" with Chung..why would you force anything on yourself in the draft? You can dictate it and be the aggressor. We have the picks to do so.

 

[jobberone]

maybe it's time to start looking at some of the more physical CBs who are not elite at CB and move one of them to SS in the middle rounds of the draft.

Most of your college safeties weren't good enough in coverage to beat out their own teammates at CB, so except for the 1-3 elite safeties every year, maybe some of the slower, heavier CB's who are physical would be better at the pro safety position than many of the college safeties.

The NFL is moving towards hybrid CBs/Ss as the norm.

 

[TheCount]

The NFL is moving towards hybrid CBs/Ss as the norm.

It's moving towards more athletic safeties is all. You're not going to line up 6'2" 185 lb Domonique Rodgers Cromartie at strong safety.

You still need sturdy, strong players back there to tackle a guy running at them full speed, most corners won't do that. The mentality of a safety should be much different than that of a corner.

The moment people start lining up a bunch of 6' 180 lb safeties, not only will they be injured constantly like Bob Sanders, but they're going to get even more embarrassed by a Marion Barber or Brandon Jacobs in the open field than usual.

 

[Paniolo22]

Moore has 11 picks in 2 years, 4 returned for TD. Hardly a slouch for FS.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Moore has 11 picks in 2 years, 4 returned for TD. Hardly a slouch for FS.

Moore is garbage and not worthy of a 4th round pick.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

It's moving towards more athletic safeties is all. You're not going to line up 6'2" 185 lb Domonique Rodgers Cromartie at strong safety.

You still need sturdy, strong players back there to tackle a guy running at them full speed, most corners won't do that. The mentality of a safety should be much different than that of a corner.

The moment people start lining up a bunch of 6' 180 lb safeties, not only will they be injured constantly like Bob Sanders, but they're going to get even more embarrassed by a Marion Barber or Brandon Jacobs in the open field than usual.

How bout 6 3 215 and can tackle and cover??

 

[Hostile]

:ralph: :shoot3: uke: :shatfan:




just kiddin

The doctor removed 9 slugs. You have good aim. What's your blood type?

 

[DFWJC]

The doctor removed 9 slugs. You have good aim. What's your blood type?

Type O...but only because you're a zoner.

 

[Alexander]

Care to elaborate?

What's to elaborate? I wouldn't put him at free safety.

Since scouts are saying he's stiff enough that they'd actually consider him to be moved to linebacker, why would he be a great FS candidate?

 

[Texan_Eph89]

It'd be awesome if we traded up and tried to get Sean Smith.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Actually according to the below link, he ran a 4.54 and benched 225 25 times.

http://www.BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2009S.php

A safety running a 4.54 is very good actually.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I just really hope we move up and have 2 2nd rounders to sure up those needs on defense.

 

[TheCount]

What's to elaborate? I wouldn't put him at free safety.

Since scouts are saying he's stiff enough that they'd actually consider him to be moved to linebacker, why would he be a great FS candidate?

So basically you don't like him as a prospect, that's all you had to say instead of pretending you had a better idea of how to use him, but it's my own fault for asking.

 

[Alexander]

So basically you don't like him as a prospect, that's all you had to say instead of pretending you had a better idea of how to use him, but it's my own fault for asking.

No, you stated free safety was the way to go with him. Again, if scouts are saying he's too stiff and they think he might make a better LB, why would free safety be the option? If the idea was to stick him at strong, fine...he seems good enough.

I'd much rather obtain a true free safety, not more of the same that we have been dealing with the position for years. We have not had a true safety with range here since Woodson. Hamlin's tackling skills aren't the best, but I would prefer to get away from the "thumper" mode if at all possible.

 

[Hostile]

I just really hope we move up and have 2 2nd rounders to sure up those needs on defense.

I don't see how we could move up and end up with two 2nd rounders. I don't even know how we could move down and end up with 2.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I read some good stuff about Chung so I made sure to tune in and watch an Oregon game this season to specifically watch him. This is, I promise, exactly what the announcer said at the beginning of the game...

"All-American candidate Patrick Chung is a force against the run. He does struggle in coverage though. He is very similar to Roy Williams of the Dallas Cowboys."

Scouting session over.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/520636

2/18/2009 - A slick athlete with the unusual ability to play with agility and aggression, Chung displays natural instincts in coverage and run support. His tackling technique is textbook and devastating. This adds up to a player who can impact a game as an enforcer despite the fact that he is average as a ball hawk and sometimes is a step slow helping out over the top. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout
Overview Consistent, versatile safeties like Chung are worth their weight in gold to NFL teams. Chung was again named first-team All-Pac 10 as a senior. A veteran with 51 career starts led the team with 117 tackles in 2007, and made 92 stops in 2008 along with 6.5 tackles for loss and six pass breakups. Possesses the agility of a defensive back and the hard-hitting and production of a linebacker; should challenge for consideration as a top-50 pick.
Analysis Positives: Well-built, versatile athlete who has seen time at cornerback and as a returner. … Flashes explosive hitting ability. … Reads the action quickly and is seemingly always around the ball. … Good lateral quickness, acceleration and smooth change-of-direction agility while in zone coverage. … Attacks underneath routes and rarely allows the receiver to cross with the ball unscathed. … Closes quickly on the ballcarrier. … Receivers are cognizant of him when going over the middle. … Quick enough to hang with receivers for a few seconds in the deep half. … Among the more reliable open-field tacklers in the country and should be an excellent last line of defense at the NFL level. … Accomplished blitzer. … Few have Chung's ability to explode into ballcarriers while wrapping their arms securely. … Whether deep in coverage or attacking the line of scrimmage, he limits the yards gained at the point he meets the ballcarrier. … Consistently swarms to the ball. … Durable, consistent performer. … Instinctive defender. … Should be a leader on defense and special teams.
Negatives: Questionable deep speed and is a bit shorter than scouts prefer because of their coverage duties against tight ends. … Physical player who can get a bit grabby while in coverage, leading to some holding calls. … Attacks the line or underneath routes too quickly, leaving room for the deep ball behind him. … At his best facing the quarterback and running downhill toward the ball.

Do you research before you make comments but then again you can't see past USC players so I can understand why you're so low on Cheung. Cheung is my safety of preference however, like other have stated I'd prefer to address the line with that said I'd rather have Jarron Gilbert!!!!

 

[TheCount]

No, you stated free safety was the way to go with him. Again, if scouts are saying he's too stiff and they think he might make a better LB, why would free safety be the option? If the idea was to stick him at strong, fine...he seems good enough.

I'd much rather obtain a true free safety, not more of the same that we have been dealing with the position for years. We have not had a true safety with range here since Woodson. Hamlin's tackling skills aren't the best, but I would prefer to get away from the "thumper" mode if at all possible.

Who exactly is saying he'd make "a better linebacker"? I haven't seen anything like that anywhere.

 

[Alexander]

Who exactly is saying he'd make "a better linebacker"? I haven't seen anything like that anywhere.

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2009-Big-Board/11.-WILLIAM-MOORE-FS.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=8377&draftyear=2009&genpos=FS

All I am saying is that if we are serious about a coverage safety and not another player who will become Roy Williams in three or four years, we might want to look at other options.