Imagine That

[twa]

I am just pleased to have capable play from the QB position finaly

Eli nor Bledsoe are not a lock to make it thru todays game and Bill has been developing two young talents in Romo and Henson as he should imo.

Too many fans want excitement from the Qb, Bill and I will settle for good to great production

Leave the experiments to the labratories :bang2:

 

[rcaldw]

You talk as if Eli is the reason the Giants made the playoffs, and of course that's just RIDICULOUS... he put up a quarterback rating of 75.1, and completed 52.9 per cent of his passes...

The Giants made the playoffs more because of Tiki Barber, Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyori than because of what Manning did this year...

Now, I think that Eli might eventually wind up being a pretty good quarterback, but you seem to be ready to induct him into the Hall of Fame, which is borderline asinine... had the Giants had an experienced veteran at the helm this year, they would likely have been even better...

Actually, no I didn't talk that way, and YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT. Eli HASN'T played great, they are letting him grow on the job. They aren't sacrificing their future for the sake of "the best chance to win today". They HAVE A PLAN at the QB position, not just patching from year to year.

AND HAS THIS PUT THEM BEHIND US? "Those stupid Giants, they are playing a young green QB, we'll show them!!!" Yea, they win the division, the Panthers are up 14-3, and if the Commanders win tonight, we, and our 35 year old QB will be watching the playoffs on TV.

 

[rcaldw]

I am just pleased to have capable play from the QB position finaly

Eli nor Bledsoe are not a lock to make it thru todays game and Bill has been developing two young talents in Romo and Henson as he should imo.

Too many fans want excitement from the Qb, Bill and I will settle for good to great production

Leave the experiments to the labratories :bang2:

And you and Big Bill will sit at home next weekend watching teams with young QB's play in the playoffs. Brilliant!

 

[Waffle]

I respect that point of view, but I don't agree with it. Drew Henson is a 3rd round pick, who was a sure 1st round pick if he hadn't played baseball. They have completely mismanaged the player. And everyone keeps accepting it by saying "Bill knows what he is doing". Well, I don't buy that argument. Bill Parcells wanted to win quick, plain and simple, and I believe that should be clear to everyone. He can win quick and mix in young players on defense, and running back where sheer physical ability can offset youth. But no way was he going to go with a QB school at his age. So, we do it Big Bill's way, and if the Commanders and Panthers win tomorrow, it is no playoffs for 2 of his first 3 years, and the playoff year was his first year.

I do NOT deny that Parcells has added talent to this team. He has. But he has mismanaged the QB position, and no one, regardless of how they can parrot Parcell's logic, will ever convince me otherwise.

Maybe you should consider that Henson isn't as good as you think he is. Some of you guys are still formulating opinions based on the yellowed edges of a five year old scouting report.

Like Dale said...give me a #1 overall QB, and I might make that committment. Give me another baseball turned football player, and I'll pass on that.

 

[twa]

And you and Big Bill will sit at home next weekend watching teams with young QB's play in the playoffs. Brilliant!

Can you honestly put the losses on Bledsoe?...except seatle ,please

 

[rcaldw]

Can you honestly put the losses on Bledsoe?...except seatle ,please

You still don't get the point I'm making. Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, I would at least like you to get it.

I'm not saying Bledsoe is playing poorly. I don't, like many of you, think he has played great either. I think he has done a good job overall.

I'm saying, MAKE A COMMITMENT TO YOUTH at QB and you will be making an investment in the next 10-12 years, not 1-2.

We keep patching the most important position on a football team.

And in response to Waffle, I am not basing my opinion on a yellow edged report. I'm basing it on what I have seen with my own eyes. Even in the preseason THIS YEAR when Henson was trying to learn a new throwing motion, he looked better in games than he was reported to look in practice.

I think Henson is a gamer, with leadership ability and talent.

 

[rcaldw]

Chris Simms just threw his 2nd TD of the day for a Tampa Bay team headed to the playoffs. They have their QB for the next 10 years, if injuries don't get him.

 

[twa]

I respect the fact Henson has talent,however i have no problem with drew starting untill Henson or someone else shows enough to challenge him.

I disagree with annoiting a young QB as QB when you have a proven vet.

Talent can be developed without the team suffering.

 

[TSquare]

Someone made a commitment to youth at QB and it paid off, imagine that.

Sorta like Buffalo.

 

[Waffle]

I'm saying, MAKE A COMMITMENT TO YOUTH at QB and you will be making an investment in the next 10-12 years, not 1-2.

We keep patching the most important position on a football team.

And in response to Waffle, I am not basing my opinion on a yellow edged report. I'm basing it on what I have seen with my own eyes. Even in the preseason THIS YEAR when Henson was trying to learn a new throwing motion, he looked better in games than he was reported to look in practice.

I think Henson is a gamer, with leadership ability and talent.

Quincy Carter is a prime example of why you just can't go with "youth at QB" just for the sake of it. That was three wasted years my friend. Now I know you have this thing for Henson and I hope you are right, but evidently the coaching staff think otherwise. They see the guy day in and day out, not just in some meaningless pre-season games.

I'd give your opinion more credence if you also were to lump Romo in your complaint about not playing the young QBs. Yet, you think he's just some third-stringer with no future simply because he wasn't on someone's draft board.

I guess with that analogy, Tom Brady should be a career third-stringer because he was a Sixth round pick.

 

[Waffle]

Sorta like Buffalo.

Great argument!!

 

[rcaldw]

I respect the fact Henson has talent,however i have no problem with drew starting untill Henson or someone else shows enough to challenge him.

I disagree with annoiting a young QB as QB when you have a proven vet.

Talent can be developed without the team suffering.

So the Giants made the leap with a struggling Eli over an aging Warner. We decided to go with Vinny and Drew.

Which team has sufferred? That is my point. HAS OUR PLAN WORKED FOR US?

We are on the doorstep of being out of the playoffs again, people, and that is using Parcell's brilliant strategy.

I don't buy his logic. It isn't working.

 

[rcaldw]

Sorta like Buffalo.

If the Commanders and Panthers win today, can you tell me the difference between Buffalo and us? I can tell you one. They are one year further down the road on their future at QB than we are. I can tell you one way we are the same. We are both sitting at home for the playoffs.

 

[Waffle]

So the Giants made the leap with a struggling Eli over an aging Warner. We decided to go with Vinny and Drew.

Which team has sufferred? That is my point. HAS OUR PLAN WORKED FOR US?

We are on the doorstep of being out of the playoffs again, people, and that is using Parcell's brilliant strategy.

I don't buy his logic. It isn't working.

If it weren't for Tiki Barber and the run blocking of the O-line, the Giants wouldn't be in the position they are in right now. Manning has a WORSE QB rating than Bledsoe, so that argument has no merit, IMO.

 

[rcaldw]

Quincy Carter is a prime example of why you just can't go with "youth at QB" just for the sake of it. That was three wasted years my friend. Now I know you have this thing for Henson and I hope you are right, but evidently the coaching staff think otherwise. They see the guy day in and day out, not just in some meaningless pre-season games.

I'd give your opinion more credence if you also were to lump Romo in your complaint about not playing the young QBs. Yet, you think he's just some third-stringer with no future simply because he wasn't on someone's draft board.

I guess with that analogy, Tom Brady should be a career third-stringer because he was a Sixth round pick.

I DO have a "thing" for Henson if by that you mean I think he will be a good player. I do. I don't lump Romo in because I think Romo is a clown. I think he is the creation of Bill Parcell's arrogance.

You can disagree with my opinion, and I'm sure you do, but that is honestly what I believe. Quincy Carter was a joke from the beginning in my book, and is very comparable to what Parcells is doing with Romo.

 

[twa]

So the Giants made the leap with a struggling Eli over an aging Warner. We decided to go with Vinny and Drew.

Which team has sufferred? That is my point. HAS OUR PLAN WORKED FOR US?

We are on the doorstep of being out of the playoffs again, people, and that is using Parcell's brilliant strategy.

I don't buy his logic. It isn't working.

Your honestly telling me playing Henson would have changed our playoff chances THIS year?

Too many holes and injuries,yet we still have a prayer :bang2:

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Really no point in arguing as everyone has their own beliefs.

In these type of debates one must look at the facts only.

The fact is we have 2 young QBs that have little experience in the NFL. One played at a small school, which wouldnt be the first time that has happenend, but he did and the other played Baseball for a quick minute. The fact is it looks like we have a good chance of not making the playoffs ONCE again. Also, it is a fact that the future of the Quarterback position with regards to who is the future is just as much in the air as it was before Parcells took over.

These really are the facts.

This is the future of the franchise eh?

But hey, everything is going to okay guys...we may not make the playoffs and may not have an answer about the future QB, but we did win 10 games guys....

- Mike G.

 

[rcaldw]

If it weren't for Tiki Barber and the run blocking of the O-line, the Giants wouldn't be in the position they are in right now. Manning has a WORSE QB rating than Bledsoe, so that argument has no merit, IMO.

Let me repeat the argument again so you will see that it DOES have merit. You are right. In many ways the Giants have carried Eli. And you know what? Eli is growing. Next year, and the year after, he will be further down the road. He will be BETTER for playing right now. Just like Chris Simms is growing. You grow by playing. Any young QB has limits to his growth until he plays.

So, THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERRED BY ALLOWING THEIR QB TO PLAY, EVEN THOUGH HE IS STILL GROWING, they are further ahead of us in the standings, and in their future at QB at the same time.

 

[Waffle]

If the Commanders and Panthers win today, can you tell me the difference between Buffalo and us?

Just like Cincy was with Akili Smith and the Chargers were with Ryan Leaf a few years back.

What about the Commanders? Looks like they are going to be a force in the playoffs with their 1st round QB on the bench and a 36 year old starter at the QB helm. So please spare us with all the "Giants and Bills are ahead of us because they start young QBs" business.

 

[TSquare]

They are one year further down the road on their future at QB than we are. I can tell you one way we are the same. We are both sitting at home for the playoffs.

I'd argue that they may be about to take a Mulligan on their young QB. I'd also say that their season was nothing short of disastrous, while ours was a serious improvement.

Besides, they are two totally different situations. Dallas just needs a couple pieces in place to be a SERIOUS contender, while Buffalo is a disaster. We could well have ruined a rookie quarterback for life this year when FA went down, similar to what happened to Losman.

of course, this is all just opinion.