Imagine That

[rcaldw]

Your honestly telling me playing Henson would have changed our playoff chances THIS year?

Too many holes and injuries,yet we still have a prayer :bang2:

No, I'm telling you it WOULDN'T have changed our fortunes for this year, but we would be better off long term. That is my point exactly.

 

[Waffle]

Let me repeat the argument again so you will see that it DOES have merit. You are right. In many ways the Giants have carried Eli. And you know what? Eli is growing. Next year, and the year after, he will be further down the road. He will be BETTER for playing right now. Just like Chris Simms is growing. You grow by playing. Any young QB has limits to his growth until he plays.

So, THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERRED BY ALLOWING THEIR QB TO PLAY, EVEN THOUGH HE IS STILL GROWING, they are further ahead of us in the standings, and in their future at QB at the same time.

Simms is playing because their STARTER, Brian Griese is on IR. Manning was a #1 overall pick.

Comparing playing Henson to these guys is a real stretch, RW. Sorry.

 

[rcaldw]

Just like Cincy was with Akili Smith and the Chargers were with Ryan Leaf a few years back.

What about the Commanders? Looks like they are going to be a force in the playoffs with their 1st round QB on the bench and a 36 year old starter at the QB helm. So please spare us with all the "Giants and Bills are ahead of us because they start young QBs" business.

Well Cincy and San Diego kept looking for a YOUNG one didn't they? And now they have them. Say hello to Carson Palmer and Drew Brees. And say hello to long term stability at QB.

 

[TSquare]

No, I'm telling you it WOULDN'T have changed our fortunes for this year, but we would be better off long term. That is my point exactly.

You have a lot of patience. More than most of the collective Cowboys fanbase. I was an economics major, and as they say, you have short-run and long-run results, but in the long run, we're all dead.

 

[rcaldw]

Simms is playing because their STARTER, Brian Griese is on IR. Manning was a #1 overall pick.

Comparing playing Henson to these guys is a real stretch, RW. Sorry.

Yea, and who had any confidence in Simms before he went in? They made jokes about him. Its not a stretch at all. Simms had talent the whole time, and I say Henson does too.

 

[TSquare]

I don't trust a guy who chose to play baseball first. I just don't.

 

[Waffle]

Well Cincy and San Diego kept looking for a YOUNG one didn't they? And now they have them. Say hello to Carson Palmer and Drew Brees. And say hello to long term stability at QB.

We don't disagree here. I'm all for getting that young, stud QB in place. But you are sold on Drew Henson for some reason. I and the coaching staff aren't.

Give me a top 5 QB in the draft, and I'll be more inclined to go through some growing pains with a young QB.

Give me a 2nd round reach (Carter) or a Sixth round Baseball player (Henson), and I'd rather take my chances with a Bledsoe, Brunell, or Brad Johnson until that right guy arrives.

 

[rcaldw]

We don't disagree here. I'm all for getting that young, stud QB in place. But you are sold on Drew Henson for some reason. I and the coaching staff aren't.

Fair enough Waff. At least we can agree there. I still think Henson is and can be that guy, you don't, but where we agree, I hope is that continuing to patch this thing is not the answer.

 

[Waffle]

Fair enough Waff. At least we can agree there. I still think Henson is and can be that guy, you don't, but where we agree, I hope is that continuing to patch this thing is not the answer.

That's cool. I hope you are right about Henson. Hopefully they will send him to Europe where we can see him play a little more.

 

[rcaldw]

We don't disagree here. I'm all for getting that young, stud QB in place. But you are sold on Drew Henson for some reason. I and the coaching staff aren't.

Give me a top 5 QB in the draft, and I'll be more inclined to go through some growing pains with a young QB.

Give me a 2nd round reach (Carter) or a Sixth round Baseball player (Henson), and I'd rather take my chances with a Bledsoe, Brunell, or Brad Johnson until that right guy arrives.

Ok, now the end of the statement is where we disagree. I would much rather have spent the last 2 years giving Henson a chance to grow while playing that to have watched Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe play, and potentially miss the playoffs both years. That is where you and I are completely different. But we agree on far more than we disagree on here.

 

[jterrell]

Well, imagine that. The Giants make a commitment to a young QB, play him even though he stinks the joint up sometimes, and they are now NFC East Champions with years of success ahead of them, and their QB of the future, in his 2nd year, playing for sure in the playoffs.

We, on the other hand, keep saying that we think Drew can play a whole 3 more years. We have a mid 30's QB, and age at our 2 most important WR positions. All because we keep patching the most important positions to try and win now. We don't even accomplish our goal. At least, if we are going to take a strategy that I completely disagree with, I would like it to work.

As it stands we will go into the off season talking about our young defense. Something else will spring up next season. We will enjoy another year of close wins and defeats and probably a very similar result, and we won't be any closer to having our QB for the next decade.

Someone made a commitment to youth at QB and it paid off, imagine that.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[TSquare]

Ok, now the end of the statement is where we disagree. I would much rather have spent the last 2 years giving Henson a chance to grow while playing that to have watched Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe play, and potentially miss the playoffs both years. That is where you and I are completely different. But we agree on far more than we disagree on here.

I hear you, but putting a rookie in there has serious consequences on the rest of the team. Vets get impatient, and career windows shrink while we groom a QB. I would venture a guess that most of the talent on the Cowboys are confident of their chances w/ Bledsoe in there.

 

[rcaldw]

I hear you, but putting a rookie in there has serious consequences on the rest of the team. Vets get impatient, and career windows shrink while we groom a QB. I would venture a guess that most of the talent on the Cowboys are confident of their chances w/ Bledsoe in there.

The Giants did it. Did you see all the career windows close? Or are they just beginning to open up now? They won't just win now, they will win for years. See the Colts.

 

[wileedog]

Well Cincy and San Diego kept looking for a YOUNG one didn't they? And now they have them. Say hello to Carson Palmer and Drew Brees. And say hello to long term stability at QB.

You're conveniently forgetting that both teams have blown #1 picks on QBs before which have bombed out and lead to several successive seasons of sucking.

Yes, they have QBs now, but at the cost of a years and years of being terrible.

 

[rcaldw]

You're conveniently forgetting that both teams have blown #1 picks on QBs before which have bombed out and lead to several successive seasons of sucking.

Yes, they have QBs now, but at the cost of a years and years of being terrible.

Years and years of being terrible. You mean like us since about 1998? This is 7 years now.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ok, now the end of the statement is where we disagree. I would much rather have spent the last 2 years giving Henson a chance to grow while playing that to have watched Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe play, and potentially miss the playoffs both years. That is where you and I are completely different. But we agree on far more than we disagree on here.

I actually agree with you. This doesn't mean that I think Bledsoe has done badly. On the contrary, I think he's played well for the most part.

But if we don't make the playoffs with Bledsoe, I think it's all for naught because we've lost out of two important things. If Henson was in and we still missed the playoffs, i.e. the end result was the same, at least there would have been an opportunity for him to gain experience and let us see what he has as a player. So, if he was a player, then we know we have a future with him at QB. If he wasn't, then we could still rely on Bledsoe for the short term, and at least draft a QB for the future.

 

[big dog cowboy]

That's cool. I hope you are right about Henson. Hopefully they will send him to Europe where we can see him play a little more.

Stop hoping because it is going to happen.

 

[wileedog]

Years and years of being terrible. You mean like us since about 1998? This is 7 years now.

Thanks to horrible drafting.

Trading a bunch of picks this offseason to move up and take a QB, and that QB turns into Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith, and then you get to keep that streak of successive garbage going.

And you still don't have a QB, so you get to do it again.

 

[Waffle]

Years and years of being terrible. You mean like us since about 1998? This is 7 years now.

We weren't world beaters, but we made the playoffs in both '98 and '99. I'd hardly call that "terrible."

 

[twa]

Years and years of being terrible. You mean like us since about 1998? This is 7 years now.

And THREE of those years were wasted on developing a young talent :bang2: