Impact of losing top RB

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SF was not stacking the line they had a good lead in the game. Murray highest rushing total was in the 2nd half of the season he had 8 TD over the last part of the year and posted 129 vs GB.

Murray injury? he broke it vs Philly and put up a 100 or better in the next 3 games

only game after the injury he did not have a 100 was vs Det who was the #1 ranked defense vs the run giving up an avg of 69 yards

In the second half after Romo gift wrapped 3 picks in the first. They still brought a safety down to help with the run before we got desperate at the end. STL and TN sold out in games 2 and 3.
 

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The only issue is that the league rules changed since those 90s teams and it would be foolish not to take advantage of those rule changes that favor throwing the football.

As for why they were so committed to running against stacked boxes I can only assume it was to protect the defense by eating up clock and limiting the amount of plays they had to defend against. It surely was not done to improve offensive output. The only reason we got away with it is because of how well Romo and the passing offense performed on 2nd and 3rd down. Much of the time in the second half of the season we were facing long 2nd and 3rd downs because of diminished production from running on 1st down.

The league rules do favor passing the ball, but passing the ball doesn't necessarily favor our Cowboys and, in particular, Tony Romo. The Cowboys pounded the rock for a litany of reasons, though, limiting the defense exposure to the field was a big part of the game plan, and my guess is, it will still be. The Cowboys may see a slight improvement in pass rush (particularly once Hardy can play), but I doubt it will be to the extent that the Cowboys will want to lean on them alla Parcels. Byron Jones is still a rookie and the Cowboys still have quite a few questions to answer in the secondary and linebacking crew. The Cowboys also pounded the rock to protect Romo from exposure to potential injury. The Cowboys also pounded the rock to open up passing lanes and make the playaction effective. The reasons for running the football go on and on and on,...especially for team that was built with that idea in mind. While your blueprint for success does make some sense for certain football teams, I'm afraid it makes no sense whatsoever for the Cowboys, especially when you consider that Garrett insist they intend to continue to place a heavy emphasis on running the ball.

I am not sure why they didn't run the other RBs more last year. I think Dunbar was the change of pace back but maybe they didn't trust him to protect Romo. As far as Randle, he was very productive but had the underwear incident and also fumbled twice. I think it was a big mistake not to take some of the burden off of Murray and perhaps they have learned their lesson here. Emmitt was a rare breed in that he could take all that punishment all-year and still be going strong late into the playoffs. Murray obviously can't do it. I think Jason learned his lesson - there will only be one Emmitt Smith and you can't design your team waiting for the second coming.

I struggle buying this too. Of course Demarco isn't Emmitt Smith. There is no way I will every believe that ivy-league educated Jason Garrett thought he had Emmitt Smith with Demarco. The reason Demarco was ran into the ground last year in my opinion was all about trust. They trusted Demarco to get that 1 yard. They trusted Demarco to pick up the blitz. So on and so on. The other side of that trustfest for Demarco is the fact that he was apparently the only running back they trusted to be consistent in his production; what does that tell you about JoRan and Dunbar?

I am quite skeptical about Ryan Williams ability to stay healthy and about DMac being able to run the ball effectively in the NFL. I think Randle is good but worry about the fumbles. You have to remember despite where he was drafted the Cowboys put a 3rd round grade on him in the 2013 draft and it unlikely any of the RBs we could draft in the 3rd round this year were rated higher. Randle has also shown the ability to run in the NFL so he is de-risked from that POV. As for earlier draft choices Jones was clearly way ahead any of the RBs left when we were on the clock and fills a huge need. Gregory is a smart kid who we had as #4 on the whole draft board when we were picking at #60. We have had success in the past supporting players with off the field issues and it sounds like we are implementing a program for Gregory to be successful. You can only judge picks by the information that was available on the day of the draft and I think it is hard to argue a RB should have been taken in those slots. As for the 3rd round choice, OT was a big hole at the time and arguably bigger than the one at RB given Free's health. They picked a guy who they think had early 2nd round type ability who has had some injury issues. My guess is the RBs left on the board were not deemed to be better than Randle, Williams or DMac.

I said earlier I understood the moves the Cowboys made at #1 and #2. I doubt if there was a single running back left to be drafted that were rated higher than Jones and/or Gregory on any scouts or teams or expert's draft board. Having said that, both could still be described as a gamble. Byron Jones wasn't even in the first round conversation until after the combine. That can be disconcerting as he very well could be a gifted athlete who is only that. The gamble on Gregory is obvious. He is absolutely no use to the Cowboys if he can't pass a drug test and/or stay out of trouble that could lead to suspension.

As for suggesting that OT was a bigger hole than RB, that is a matter of opinion. While Free's health could be a concern, he is at least a viable starter. The Cowboys have no idea if they even have that in their current group of running backs.

The argument is actually quite simple. We won last year mostly because of Romo's performance. We saw how the team performed with Romo out and we also saw Romo put up big performances with Murray hobbled with the hand injury. This team goes as Romo goes and we were actually putting Romo in many disadvantageous situations last year by trying to run into a brick wall to limit the snaps the defense would have to play. Now this year with an improved defense we can run the offense to maximize offensive production instead of for limiting defensive snaps. This means probably passing 52-55% of the snaps as is the case with most balanced offenses in the league. When teams overplay the run on 1st and 2nd down we will probably throw more and attempt to build early leads in the process. Once the lead is secured we have the pass rushers that can terrorize QBs leading to strips sacks and INTs. Once you make the opposition 1-dimensional they are easier to defend.

I'll buy that the defense has improved...but not by much and certainly not by enough that the Cowboys should adopt a completely different model that leans on them. The Cowboys defense was made better last year by the running game. And sure, the entire team benefited from Romo being Romo, but understand the running game and the passing game has a symbiotic relationship. The running game is improved by the threat of Romo going deep. The pass is improved by the threat of the run. If the Cowboys of a sudden veer from the tried and true method they implemented last year, not only will the run suffer, but so will the pass, and so will the defense and so will us fans...and visa versa.
 

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I've posted this before but I think it deserves its own thread.



I thought this was especially interesting with our own Michael Irvin predicting that the loss of Demarco will lead the Eagles over us in the NFCE. Afterall we are likely to have a better passing game and will undoubtedly have a better offensive line.

By now my position is fairly well established. I believe to my core that the line stirs the drink when it comes to effective rushing games moreso than the other way around.

Now with a respected analytics shop backing it up. What say you everyone?

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I've posted this before but I think it deserves its own thread.



I thought this was especially interesting with our own Michael Irvin predicting that the loss of Demarco will lead the Eagles over us in the NFCE. Afterall we are likely to have a better passing game and will undoubtedly have a better offensive line.

By now my position is fairly well established. I believe to my core that the line stirs the drink when it comes to effective rushing games moreso than the other way around.

Now with a respected analytics shop backing it up. What say you everyone?

Who won the Super Bowl? Who was their running back? Enough said. Quarterback and line + everything else
 

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I've posted this before but I think it deserves its own thread.



I thought this was especially interesting with our own Michael Irvin predicting that the loss of Demarco will lead the Eagles over us in the NFCE. Afterall we are likely to have a better passing game and will undoubtedly have a better offensive line.

By now my position is fairly well established. I believe to my core that the line stirs the drink when it comes to effective rushing games moreso than the other way around.

Now with a respected analytics shop backing it up. What say you everyone?

I just don't want Scott Linehan to get concerned about the Cowboys RB situation and start calling plays like he did in Detroit with Reggie Bush....
 

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I think we need a bell cow, an every-down back, a physical runner who can establish a rhythm and wear defenses down. Murray punished tacklers whether he gained 1 yard or 10. He made defenses stack the box and still pushed through for positive yardage. Opponents knew our game plan, but could couldn't stop it. I worry about RBBC having the same effectiveness. I worry about us getting to cute draws and pitches and loose the straight power running that I believe opens up our passing game. I hope whoever the lead back end up being is getting at least 85% of the snaps.

Murray was a physical runner last year. Of course, late in games and later in the season he lost a little "oomph". IMO a rotation of two or 3 backs will provide plenty of physical banging and maybe even more because whoever is doing it is definitely going to be fresher in the 4th quarter and later in the season than Murray was. By the last 5 games and the playoffs he had lost a lot from his early season form.

I honestly think that the entire franchise from Jerry on down through Stephen, Garrett, Linehan, and all the way down to the equipment managers knows that the physical nature of the offensive line and the runners was a huge part of why Dallas was difficult to stop. No way they let that go by the wayside. Garrett has wanted a physical team since 2010 when he started as HC. He isn't about to let that go... and he has said as much this off season.
 

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To think there won't be a dropoff after losing an 1800 yard back is ignorant, but I think Murray was too expensive. Romo hasn't had a running game for most of his career. Hopefully, the line will keep him clean.
 

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It's funny. People would be through the moon if we drafted Ajayi in the 5th.

Randle was a 5th rounder.

Randle is a JAG.

Ajayi a savior.

It's madness.

If Randle is all that, why did he only get 51 carries all season long?

And this is actually about the same he was used the previous year, when he had 54 carries.

At no point has this team ever considered Randle anything more than a change of pace back, but yet I am reading here that he is going to put up anywhere from 1000 to 1400 yards this season even though he has barely over 500 yards for his entire career.

Seriously?
 

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I am reading multiple posts in this thread that basically says the RB doesn't matter, its the oline that is important.

If that is true, why are teams drafting RBs in the first round like Gurley and Gordon? Why even the 2nd round? If it doesn't matter who the RB is, if you can just pluck a guy off a practice squad and be good to go, why draft a RB high or even draft one at all?

Why are teams not using all of their picks on offensive lineman instead of drafting a guy like Gordon in the first round? There were over 20 RBs drafted this year, so why are teams drafting RBs instead of offensive lineman if the RB doesn't matter?

I might be in the minority, but I do think the RB matters..........I also think the team feels this way also.............that's why I think the RB that is going to get the majority of the carries this season is currently not on the roster.
 

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If Randle is all that, why did he only get 51 carries all season long?

And this is actually about the same he was used the previous year, when he had 54 carries.

At no point has this team ever considered Randle anything more than a change of pace back, but yet I am reading here that he is going to put up anywhere from 1000 to 1400 yards this season even though he has barely over 500 yards for his entire career.

Seriously?

I think a lot of people are over estimating our OL. They are good, for sure. But they cant run the ball....

and to expect wide open gaping holes on every drive is naive..
 

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This supposes that Zach Martin is what made this running game since the Cowboys didn't have anything near as potent the year before.

Discounting Murray because of some stat from history assumes all things are equal in this league.

Just the pointy end of the football makes nothing equal in this game.
 

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Fair enough but if the discussion is about Murray, then the question becomes, is he that much better then what we have? Again, if you believe in the talent of the RB, then you won't be happy. If you believe it's the OL, then you feel better about it. I liked Murray and I think he's a pretty good football player, an even better person, but I don't think he was much better then what we have on the roster now talent wise.

I agree and it takes some cojones to say something like that this time of year.
 

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This supposes that Zach Martin is what made this running game since the Cowboys didn't have anything near as potent the year before.

Discounting Murray because of some stat from history assumes all things are equal in this league.

Just the pointy end of the football makes nothing equal in this game.

Stripping Garrett of his playcalling duties helped more then anything.
 

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I'm hoping the impact of Murray last year wasn't the last we'll see of a highly successful running attack. I am hereby declaring Synjyn Days as my pet cat this year in hopes that he'll blossom into a really useful RB. The Cowboys have used the RB-by-committee approach successfully for many, many seasons. Let's hope for many more.
 
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I'm hoping the impact of Murray last year wasn't the last we'll see of a highly successful running attack. I am hereby declaring Synjyn Days as my pet cat this year in hopes that he'll blossom into a really useful RB. The Cowboys have used the RB-by-committee approach successfully for many, many seasons. Let's hope for many more.

I can't think of too many successful season we have had using RB by committee. What I would hope is one of the RB currently on the roster shows he can take on the majority of the load. Backs just seem to get a better feel through out the game.
 

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As others have said. He had one good year.

His drop off will be fairly extreme this year.
 

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As others have said. He had one good year.

His drop off will be fairly extreme this year.

If these RBs put up good good numbers, it still will not replace the tone and physical , smash-mouth type of identity that the Cowboys had last season. That part of the the game seems to be undervalued around here by many posters. Stats don't tell the whole story. They never have.
 

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If these RBs put up good good numbers, it still will not replace the tone and physical , smash-mouth type of identity that the Cowboys had last season. That part of the the game seems to be undervalued around here by many posters. Stats don't tell the whole story. They never have.

I agree, I have seen many backs who will dance around looking to hit the big run when all you needed was 2 yards.
 

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If these RBs put up good good numbers, it still will not replace the tone and physical , smash-mouth type of identity that the Cowboys had last season. That part of the the game seems to be undervalued around here by many posters. Stats don't tell the whole story. They never have.

Very true. I'd say I've been guilty of that too. Hopefully the rest of the O, which is very good, will make up for that in other ways.
 
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