Imressions of Randy Gregory today?

[TheHerd]

Scandrick won his from 4 games to 2 a few years ago

Actually, the league changed the rules and OScan was one of several players whose suspension was lifted.

 

[TheHerd]

just further enforces need to get DE in draft and sign DE FA. Gregory is too unreliable and Tank has bad back.

Yes, this is the fact. We Mayowa Amma no one else as a speed rusher.

 

[Wood]

If Gregory gets suspended its for full calendar year and not just 16 games.

 

[Direwolf63]

According to Stephen Jones, Gregory's appeal is in 7-10 days. If the appeal is rejected, he will be suspended again.

 

[TheHerd]

just further enforces need to get DE in draft and sign DE FA. Gregory is too unreliable and Tank has bad back.

Yes. We have Mayowa and no one else as a speed rusher.

Irving can handle LDE, but he's probably even better inside. It just seems like we have 6 guys whose best position is 3 tech though.

 

[TheHerd]

If Gregory gets suspended its for full calendar year and not just 16 games.

It's actually open ended I believe. The year time frame is just the most typical amount.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If they sent someone there and he refused to take then I agree he is toast. I basically thought they were saying because he wasn't able to take the test because he was in rehab....aka not available to be tested.

And that is kind of stooping kind of low for the league to be honest....scheduling a test when a guy is trying to straighten himself out, but I do get that opens a ton of worms.

Those are the rules of the testing protocols the player sign off on. You can't enter yourself into rehab and magically be immune to testing.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

My understanding is that it doesn't matter if he was in rehab, when they contact a player and he can't make it to where the sample is to be collected, then the league sends someone to where the player is at to retrieve the sample...so I don't know what defense the NFLPA would have...so I think he's done either way.

this is pretty much the purpose of the appeal where circumstance is argued

 

[Tobal]

I thought he tried to use his inside rush too much and for someone his size he's got a heck of a push. He gave Peters all he wanted. He'd got a future if he fights for it. I don't pretend to know his struggles. The talent is there. I didn't see him get blown off the line, I think he needs to work on his discipline, but that's probably to be expected.

 

[Bluefin]

No chance he wins the appeal.

There is a chance.

It isn't a simple yes or no regarding a failed test.

I'd love to know the details. How is that even possible assuming he was at the facility??? They come meet you if they know your location.

When the story first came out, it was reported that Randy Gregory left the treatment facility for a weekend and missed a test while gone.

If accurate, a missed test can count the same as a failed test, but it isn't automatic.

The player will meet/talk with the medical director and advisor handling his treatment and it will be determined it there was a willful attempt to avoid being tested. Gregory was already in a treatment center, so it isn't like he failed to show up at the Star to take a scheduled test.

A missed test may only result in a written warning and/or a fine.

The question is why did Gregory reportedly leave the treatment center for a weekend?

Whatever happened there, Randy returned after the weekend and was available to be tested.

Has he failed any tests since?

There is a large, grey area in the NFL Substances of Abuse program.

The medical director and medical advisor overseeing a player's case carry a lot of weight. If they believe Gregory is really trying to overcome his addiction, things may go in his favor.

Is he making progress?

Would it be better to hand out a minimum suspension of one year where Gregory can have zero contact with the Dallas Cowboys except to come in for required drug testing or to let him keep playing and interacting with his teammates?

The program is in place to attempt to help players with problems of addiction.

There's a ton we don't know about in this case, but Gregory appears to be trying to get better.

Let him keep trying with the Cowboys instead of on his own as the minimum one year ban will require.

 

[Texas_Pete]

 

[TheHerd]

There is a chance.

It isn't a simple yes or no regarding a failed test.



When the story first came out, it was reported that Randy Gregory left the treatment facility for a weekend and missed a test while gone.

If accurate, a missed test can count the same as a failed test, but it isn't automatic.

The player will meet/talk with the medical director and advisor handling his treatment and it will be determined it there was a willful attempt to avoid being tested. Gregory was already in a treatment center, so it isn't like he failed to show up at the Star to take a scheduled test.

A missed test may only result in a written warning and/or a fine.

The question is why did Gregory reportedly leave the treatment center for a weekend?

Whatever happened there, Randy returned after the weekend and was available to be tested.

Has he failed any tests since?

There is a large, grey area in the NFL Substances of Abuse program.

The medical director and medical advisor overseeing a player's case carry a lot of weight. If they believe Gregory is really trying to overcome his addiction, things may go in his favor.

Is he making progress?

Would it be better to hand out a minimum suspension of one year where Gregory can have zero contact with the Dallas Cowboys except to come in for required drug testing or to let him keep playing and interacting with his teammates?

The program is in place to attempt to help players with problems of addiction.

There's a ton we don't know about in this case, but Gregory appears to be trying to get better.

Let him keep trying with the Cowboys instead of on his own as the minimum one year ban will require.

This is all true. But ultimately it's Goodell's decision ands he doesn't need to justify it to anyone.

After he consults Mara, no chance Gregory is allowed to play and unfortunately I think that will be a very bad deal for Randy. He'd have a much better chance at kicking this thing as a member of the team.

 

[Texas_Pete]

 

[Cowboys22]

My understanding is that it doesn't matter if he was in rehab, when they contact a player and he can't make it to where the sample is to be collected, then the league sends someone to where the player is at to retrieve the sample...so I don't know what defense the NFLPA would have...so I think he's done either way.

I read an article that said he left the rehab facility for a weekend and had let the league know. If they sent someone for a test anyway, he may have a case.

 

[tyke1doe]

I read an article that said he left the rehab facility for a weekend and had let the league know. If they sent someone for a test anyway, he may have a case.

Then shouldn't he have been available to take the test?

 

[manster4ever]

I read an article that said he left the rehab facility for a weekend and had let the league know. If they sent someone for a test anyway, he may have a case.

Meh, he's gone for another year I'm guessing.

 

[Cowboys22]

Then shouldn't he have been available to take the test?

The whole point is we don't know any of the facts. If he was in rehab, had permission to leave the facility and let the NFL know he was leaving for the weekend and they sent someone there to test him anyway, should he still be suspended. What if someone in the NFL office dropped the ball and didn't inform the tester that Gregory would be somewhere else? We just don't know. I also think they may wait until after the super bowl to announce the final outcome. If they announce it now, he will be eiligible for the playoffs next year. They may want to avoid that circumstance and have him out all next year without having to address it at all.

 

[Nightman]

I read an article that said he left the rehab facility for a weekend and had let the league know. If they sent someone for a test anyway, he may have a case.

He can be tested 10x a month while in the drug program......even if he missed one test if he passed the other 9 then he is clean

LBell got a reduction after he missed a test at 530am...he got his 4 game reduced to 3 and he was reset back to a 2 game suspension for the record.....it can happen to favored teams.......we are not favored

 

[tyke1doe]

The whole point is we don't know any of the facts. If he was in rehab, had permission to leave the facility and let the NFL know he was leaving for the weekend and they sent someone there to test him anyway, should he still be suspended. What if someone in the NFL office dropped the ball and didn't inform the tester that Gregory would be somewhere else? We just don't know. I also think they may wait until after the super bowl to announce the final outcome. If they announce it now, he will be eiligible for the playoffs next year. They may want to avoid that circumstance and have him out all next year without having to address it at all.

If we don't know the facts, how do we know the NFL sent someone to the rehab facility?
We're all speculating. I'd just let the situation play itself out.

 

[Bluefin]

This is all true. But ultimately it's Goodell's decision ands he doesn't need to justify it to anyone.

No, it isn't.

Not yet.

Roger Goodell will become the final say if Randy Gregory loses the appeal and is given a minimum one year suspension.

That would mean he'd be eligible to return one year following the suspension and Goodell would decide when Gregory could return if the player met all other requirements in his treatment program while banned.

The appeals hearing isn't Goodell's show.

The medical director and medical advisor overseeing Gregory's treatment program will be the ones who really decide the matter.

They will reveal where Randy was when he entered the NFL Substances of Abuse program last Spring and where he is now.

It's almost impossible to be optimistic in a case like this, but I believe Gregory is trying to mature and overcome his addiction.

And he has better odds of succeeding long term as a part of the Dallas Cowboys than on his own while serving a minimum suspension of one year.

If Gregory is really trying, he deserves another chance.