Insane: Ware in Ring of Honor not Jimmy

KJJ

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Maybe Jimmy should’ve had Jerry present him at his Hall of Fame induction. Lol
 

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Tex Schramm created the ring of honor for players, not coaches or front office personnel. Tex wouldn’t have put Tom Landry in the ring of honor because it was supposed to only be for players. Jerry alluded to that in his press conference.

An exception was made for Tom Landry because he was the only coach the Cowboys had for the first 29 years of their existence, and to allow Jerry to make a gesture of apology for how the end of Landry’s career in Dallas went down. Tom didn’t make the ring of honor for his Super Bowl wins.

Jimmy was coach for only 5 years out of the 53 year history of the team. Yea, he won some Super Bowls. But that is not what the ring of honor was about. It was always supposed to be about the players. Landry was an exception. Jimmy didn’t stay long enough to be the second exception.

Jerry Jones himself should never be inducted into the ring of honor, because he’s not a player.
 

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Blank Booger!!! I love Ware, but he honestly had some empty numbers with us....can only remember one game when he made a game tilting play. Jimmy is the best HC we've ever had....for those that say Landry, who would you want coaching us in a big game if you had to bet your house on it? Defense rests your honor.
 

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So you own a franchise of some business and have a dozen stores. You hire a GM to run the day to day of the stores.

It's rough going the first few years but after that you get the best sales in the market for two years in a row. During that first year of the run you make a deal with a friend of yours to get a good deal on a supply of parts and take some credit for the success.

This angers the GM who starts bad mouthing you to everyone from the press, the store managers and employees, and customers. He is trying to get out of his contract but he knows that if he quits he doesn't get to keep the contract difference so he ramps up the diatribe. It comes to a head at the end of year two of said diatribe at an industry conference where he insults you publicly so you finally fire him.

Are you ever going to honor that employee?
 

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So you own a franchise of some business and have a dozen stores. You hire a GM to run the day to day of the stores.

It's rough going the first few years but after that you get the best sales in the market for two years in a row. During that first year of the run you make a deal with a friend of yours to get a good deal on a supply of parts and take some credit for the success.

This angers the GM who starts bad mouthing you to everyone from the press, the store managers and employees, and customers. He is trying to get out of his contract but he knows that if he quits he doesn't get to keep the contract difference so he ramps up the diatribe. It comes to a head at the end of year two at an industry conference where he insults you publicly so you finally fire him.

Are you ever going to honor that employee?
Flawed analogy. Football is a sport. Stores are a completely different entity. Nobody watches Super Bowls of store managers. Nobody makes Rings of Honor for clerks, customer service reps, or managers.
 

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Tex Schramm created the ring of honor for players, not coaches or front office personnel. Tex wouldn’t have put Tom Landry in the ring of honor because it was supposed to only be for players. Jerry alluded to that in his press conference.

An exception was made for Tom Landry because he was the only coach the Cowboys had for the first 29 years of their existence, and to allow Jerry to make a gesture of apology for how the end of Landry’s career in Dallas went down. Tom didn’t make the ring of honor for his Super Bowl wins.

Jimmy was coach for only 5 years out of the 53 year history of the team. Yea, he won some Super Bowls. But that is not what the ring of honor was about. It was always supposed to be about the players. Landry was an exception. Jimmy didn’t stay long enough to be the second exception.

Jerry Jones himself should never be inducted into the ring of honor, because he’s not a player.
Jimmy created the strongest team of all time up to that point. 3 in 4 years had never been accomplished before that.

If that isn't RoH worthy then it is meaningless.

Your players only argument has been left long in the past with three non players' induction. Toothpaste is already out of the tube on that one.
 

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Jimmy created the strongest team of all time up to that point. 3 in 4 years had never been accomplished before that.

If that isn't RoH worthy then it is meaningless.

Your players only argument has been left long in the past with three non players' induction. Toothpaste is already out of the tube on that one.
It degrades the ROH when Jimmy isn't in it.
 

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Flawed analogy. Football is a sport. Stores are a completely different entity. Nobody watches Super Bowls of store managers. Nobody makes Rings of Honor for clerks, customer service reps, or managers.
You need to learn the difference between an equality and a comparison.

Saying that something is different does not invalidate a comparison.

Further, your work experience must be limited. Firms of all kinds do things like employee of the month and displays honoring significant leaders from the past.
 

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Jimmy should be in…no argument there but tbh I can’t find enough energy to really care about whose in the ring of honor and who isn’t. Just me.
I agree...the ROH to me no longer is for the worthy and deserving, but for friends of Jerry. If Jerry has to like you to be in it...then it is not a ROH for the fans...but a FOJ...(friends of Jerry).. So Bullcrap......:thumbdown: who cares anymore.
 

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Bottom line: the way Jimmy orchestrated his departure from the Cowboys is the opposite of honorable. It permanently damaged the reputation of the Cowboys. There is no way I would ever support putting Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor.

As an analogy, my exwife gave me three children. But she had an affair which ended the marriage, permanently damaging the family we built together. I acknowledge she gave me three children. There is zero chance I will ever again honor her.

Jimmy did the same thing to the Cowboys as my cheating exwife did to me. He was completely dishonorable at the end. Jerry has acknowledged Jimmy’s role on many occasions in building a 3-time championship team. But there is no reason for him to honor Jimmy - particularly when when Jimmy still takes shots at Jerry to this day. If anything, Jimmy belongs in the Ring of Dishonor.

BTW, in his personal life, he did the same thing to his actual wife as he did to Jerry in his professional life. And it wasn’t the first time. He did the same thing to the President of the University of Miami that he did to Jerry. Jimmy is a very talented, but thoroughly dishonorable man - the equivalent of a someone great in bed, but complete untrustworthy.

I don’t know why that isn’t totally obvious to every Cowboys fan. People who want Jimmy honored are like children of divorce who demand their father honor their cheating mother who destroyed their childhood family. It makes no sense.
 

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Tex Schramm created the ring of honor for players, not coaches or front office personnel. Tex wouldn’t have put Tom Landry in the ring of honor because it was supposed to only be for players. Jerry alluded to that in his press conference.

An exception was made for Tom Landry because he was the only coach the Cowboys had for the first 29 years of their existence, and to allow Jerry to make a gesture of apology for how the end of Landry’s career in Dallas went down. Tom didn’t make the ring of honor for his Super Bowl wins.

Jimmy was coach for only 5 years out of the 53 year history of the team. Yea, he won some Super Bowls. But that is not what the ring of honor was about. It was always supposed to be about the players. Landry was an exception. Jimmy didn’t stay long enough to be the second exception.

Jerry Jones himself should never be inducted into the ring of honor, because he’s not a player.
I guess you forgot about the exception made for Tex and more recently Gil.
 

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Bottom line: the way Jimmy orchestrated his departure from the Cowboys is the opposite of honorable. It permanently damaged the reputation of the Cowboys. There is no way I would ever support putting Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor.

As an analogy, my exwife gave me three children. But she had an affair which ended the marriage, permanently damaging the family we built together. I acknowledge she gave me three children. There is zero chance I will ever again honor her.

Jimmy did the same thing to the Cowboys as my cheating exwife did to me. He was completely dishonorable at the end. Jerry has acknowledged Jimmy’s role on many occasions in building a 3-time championship team. But there is no reason for him to honor Jimmy - particularly when when Jimmy still takes shots at Jerry to this day. If anything, Jimmy belongs in the Ring of Dishonor.

BTW, in his personal life, he did the same thing to his actual wife as he did to Jerry in his professional life. And it wasn’t the first time. He did the same thing to the President of the University of Miami that he did to Jerry. Jimmy is a very talented, but thoroughly dishonorable man - the equivalent of a someone great in bed, but complete untrustworthy.

I don’t know why that isn’t totally obvious to every Cowboys fan. People who want Jimmy honored are like children of divorce who demand their father honor their cheating mother who destroyed their childhood family. It makes no sense.
Jethro is the one who was dishonorable. You don’t run off a HC who just won back to back championships .

But our frikin owner couldn’t handle a bigger ego than his becoming the face of his franchise receiving most of the credit.

It illustrated to all of us Jethro’s priorities which to this day strangleholds Cowboys Football.

Jethro Jone$ is responsible for permanently destroying the reputation of Cowboys Football.
 

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If the time ever comes I hope Jimmy says, “it’s a great honor, but no thank you.“
 

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It’s been perfectly clear the core issue with our owner since JJ and JJ parted ways.

Winning isn’t the utmost priority with our owner. Sure, he wants to win but only his way being front and center as the face of the franchise.

Anyone taking over that is a threat even if they are winning championships.

This was our owners intent from the beginning. He just used Jimmy to turn his franchise around . And has rode those coattails with a core of fans who to this day look the other way giving him a pass for life as a result of that early success with Jimmy.

Without that early success with the likes of the product he’s produced since his butt would have been ran out of town.
 

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Jerry is going to put Ware into the Ring of Honor but not Jimmy Johnson. What an idiot !

I do not blame Dak or the players. Jerry Jones is the ONLY constant for the 30 years of not even getting to a NFC Conference game. Not winning it the damn game, just getting there. Not Jerry wants to put Ware into the ROH and winning a ring with the Broncos, while Jimmy wins 2 titles with Dallas. The bible clearly states: Pride goes before destruction. Jerry's PRIDE has killed the Cowboys--ON THE FIELD
Jerry states ANY coach could have won the Superbowl with the players Jerry put on the field. Sorry idiot Jerry, you proved, for the past 30 years, you can not put a team together to even get to a NFC Conference game.
Have you bothered to observe the number of coaches utilized during the three seasons there were Lombardis or from 1992-1995?

No, Jerry wasn't full of the hillbilly folklore through that period.
 

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If the time ever comes I hope Jimmy says, “it’s a great honor, but no thank you.“
Right. Couldnt agree more .

What our narcissistic owner won’t allow him to see is this grudge fuels the local hatred of him .

Jimmy got his HOF. And we all know how that pissed off Jethro. The Cowboys Ring doesn’t mean anything really after that. Especially when you know who has the only vote.
 
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