Interesting Dynamic On This Board

[Idgit]

I'm apathetic on Jason Garrett. What does that make me?

We count the apathetic ones as Garrett lovers, because we need all the help we can get.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Garrett hasn't proven anything to me.

And neither has this draft class.

 

[Nightman]

I'm apathetic on Jason Garrett. What does that make me?

A mythical creature...........you don't exist

 

[superonyx]

The OP got the 2 sides mislabeled. It's not pro or anti Garrett that has divided the board.

It's the Murray/ Peterson (high priced) RB vs RB on the cheap camps.

The anti RB sides have forced themselves to love Ramsey because so many people were talking Zeke up pre draft.
These people have spent so much time and energy bashing the running back position and fighting with people who still value running backs that they are now angry because it turns out the front office doesn't agree with them as much as they thought they did.

There have been several of these debates on the year since Murray left. Some people have really built up the anti RB identy around here.

 

[Nightman]

I have been noticing something rather interesting the past couple of days.

Seems like most of the anti-Garrett crowd LOVES this draft while most of tho pro-Garrett really HATES this draft

Don't really know why, just something I noticed. Maybe the pro-Garrett crowd spent so much time arguing that we didn't need to pay Murray because RBs are not important and then they see the team burn a top 5 pick on a RB.

They can't logically explain the apparent contradiction so they hate the pick.........I don't know, just something I noticed

Garrett is so vanilla and by the book.....this draft was risk taking and going for the deep bomb

Gamblers vs Accountants

 

[JoeKing]

I liked the day 3 picks. The first 2 days were stinkers, IMO. Waiting to see how they all pan out before judging if it's a good or bad draft.

 

[speedkilz88]

I was pro-Ramsey. Totally buy into the philosophy that you can find good rbs later and it helps the salary cap in other areas. Although you have to allow exceptions for the "special" back. If you can get an Emmitt Smith, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Faulk then take them if you feel that they are the better guy. We also don't get as much information and get to meet these players so we don't necessarily get the feel of these guys on if they have that "it" factor that the coaches do leading up to the draft.

I also thought it was too high for Jaylon but then I don't get to have a 1 on 1 with Dr Cooper. If my team doctor (who i hope i can trust) is telling me the kid will be back then all of a sudden I'm finding a way to steal him in the draft.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I have been noticing something rather interesting the past couple of days.

Seems like most of the anti-Gattett crowd LOVES this draft while most of tho pro-Garrett really HATES this draft

I've generally been supportive of Garrett because I believe the most important thing the organization needs is to be professionally run, with solid processes in place and followed, and I've thought that Garrett was moving things in that direction. For that reason, I've been a bit disappointed in things like the trade-up for Lawrence and taking Zeke, which I don't think come from a good solid process for running the draft. So I see Zeke as a reach and would've preferred Ramsey, but the draft is a crapshoot anyway, and I really liked the other picks (including the risk-reward Smith play). I'm just glad they didn't trade up, even though they tried.

Don't really know why, just something I noticed. Maybe the pro-Garrett crowd spent so much time arguing that we didn't need to pay Murray because RBs are not important and then they see the team burn a top 5 pick on a RB.

They can't logically explain the apparent contradiction so they hate the pick.........I don't know, just something I noticed

They didn't need to pay Murray not because RBs are unimportant. They needed not to pay Murray because Murray was used up and way too expensive for what he was likely to bring to the team in 2015 and beyond. And that decision only looks better after watching Murray in 2015. It's also true that it's very very hard, in today's game, for an RB to be worth a top-10 pick in the draft. But hey, taking a guy 10 or 20 picks too early is far from the worst sin in the world. I mean, it's not like trading up in the 2nd for a kicker.

 

[DTown214]

Well I'm not a Jason Carrott fan and I love this draft class... so yeah

 

[DeaconMoss]

Guess I'm in the middle. I don't love or hate Garrett, and I don't love of hate this draft.

Me too. But I despise the value we got at 4. And really dislike Dak.

 

[coult44]

The thing is I don't hate the draft. Loved what we did in round 3-6. I can appreciate the risk we took in round 2. I abhor the value we got in round 1.

But I generally really like all the players.

I also am fine with JG. He gets much more negaitivity than is warranted when you consider the sorry state of this roster he took over.

Who cares about the value? If it helps us win, it's a great value. Is Dez good value? Tony? Lee? OS? The value thing is so overrated!!!

 

[waldoputty]

The OP got the 2 sides mislabeled. It's not pro or anti Garrett that has divided the board.

It's the Murray/ Peterson (high priced) RB vs RB on the cheap camps.

The anti RB sides have forced themselves to love Ramsey because so many people were talking Zeke up pre draft.
These people have spent so much time and energy bashing the running back position and fighting with people who still value running backs that they are now angry because it turns out the front office doesn't agree with them as much as they thought they did.

There have been several of these debates on the year since Murray left. Some people have really built up the anti RB identy around here.

Some of us don't think Murray is in Peterson's universe so do not want to waste $8M cap on him.
He got a lot of the 1800 yards from the OL.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Who cares about the value? If it helps us win, it's a great value. Is Dez good value? Tony? Lee? OS? The value thing is so overrated!!!

Well by consistently getting bad value....a team will consistently have a subpar roster. That's why I care. Why you don't care is interesting.

 

[superonyx]

Some of us don't think Murray is in Peterson's universe so do not want to waste $8M cap on him.
He got a lot of the 1800 yards from the OL.

Yet the same people will justify spending the $8 million on Tyrone Crawford who has not produced anything except a few flashes of potential sandwiched between several injuries.

The people who hate the Zeke draft pick can thank the decision to not pay Murray.

Btw....I get it...but it's still interesting.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

I have been noticing something rather interesting the past couple of days.

Seems like most of the anti-Gattett crowd LOVES this draft while most of tho pro-Garrett really HATES this draft

Don't really know why, just something I noticed. Maybe the pro-Garrett crowd spent so much time arguing that we didn't need to pay Murray because RBs are not important and then they see the team burn a top 5 pick on a RB.

They can't logically explain the apparent contradiction so they hate the pick.........I don't know, just something I noticed

I am not a Garrett fan, and I am not thrilled with our draft.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The OP got the 2 sides mislabeled. It's not pro or anti Garrett that has divided the board.

It's the Murray/ Peterson (high priced) RB vs RB on the cheap camps.

The anti RB sides have forced themselves to love Ramsey because so many people were talking Zeke up pre draft.
These people have spent so much time and energy bashing the running back position and fighting with people who still value running backs that they are now angry because it turns out the front office doesn't agree with them as much as they thought they did.

There have been several of these debates on the year since Murray left. Some people have really built up the anti RB identy around here.

Wait people love Ramsey because they don't want to spend money at the most fungible position in Football? Ramsey who has been called a generational talent and is likely a top 5 prospect pretty much any year?

I'm sure there are some who loved Ramsey only because they hated Zeke...but you're painting a broad brush.

I was consistently in the camp of...

1) Ramsey
2) Trade back
3) Bosa

It's a shame we didn't sign Lamar for less money than Zeke will get....and not waste the 4th pick int he draft on a likely 1 contract worthy player.

 

[skinsscalper]

Guess I'm in the middle. I don't love or hate Garrett, and I don't love of hate this draft.

Right there with you brother, on both counts.

 

[percyhoward]

The anti RB sides have forced themselves to love Ramsey because so many people were talking Zeke up pre draft. These people have spent so much time and energy bashing the running back position and fighting with people who still value running backs that they are now angry because it turns out the front office doesn't agree with them as much as they thought they did.

There have been several of these debates on the year since Murray left. Some people have really built up the anti RB identy around here.

Here's one perspective that doesn't fit the picture you painted with a broad brush.

I have come to realize that Romo and the OL are responsible for most of Murray's success in 2014. Given that fact, I think we splurged at #4, but I'm anything but "anti-RB." I also realize that the running game is important, and I wanted a RB in the 4th as an upgrade over McFadden/Morris. That didn't force me into loving Ramsey either, because I'd have preferred Buckner/Lawson/Bosa and Dixon over Elliott and Tapper. Neither was I surprised that we drafted Elliott, as I have often disagreed with the front office.

My mistake was that I assumed we were trying to win now with Romo. That's not necessarily the plan, as it turns out. I can see the importance of having a franchise player (Elliott) when Romo is gone, so in that light, I can't criticize the pick. I still disagree with the pick, however, because I'm not convinced that our best shot at a Super Bowl isn't while we still have Romo. And with this OL and a healthy Romo, the team needs defense more than it needs an elite RB.

After Aikman and Irvin were gone, Emmitt's pursuit of the rushing record was all this team had. It's important to ownership to have a "face of the franchise." It's important to Garrett to have to rely on the next QB as little as possible.

 

[Dalmations202]

I don't like Garrett or his offense. Poor use of players talents, IMO.
I don't like this draft....to many wants and not enough NEEDs drafted. Just shiny objects.
I don't like Marinelli. Here's why.........
Maliek Collins
STRENGTHS: Outstanding athlete for the position with light feet, smooth hips and above average body control, using his initial surge and active hand use to rip and pull through bodies. Collins has an explosive first step to generate pop at the point of attack, adjusting after contact to locate and mirror the ball.
WEAKNESSES: Lacks the brute strength to overwhelm his opponent in tight spaces and most blockers can match him power-for-power. Easily moved by double-teams and can be washed out of the hole by angle blocks. Stuck on blocks too long. Still developing his counter moves, struggling if he doesn't win with his initial step. Will overrun the pocket and needs to better control his momentum in tight spaces. Needs to better protect his lower body off the snap. Scheme-specific and lacks desired versatility.

IN OUR VIEW: Collins lacks the bulk and power scouts would prefer in an interior defensive lineman.

When Andrew Billings was available at this time.......
STRENGTHS: A load in the middle with brute power to engage blockers and toss them aside. Tough to block due to his blend of power and quickness.
At his best when he keeps his pad level low and rolls his hips at the point of attack to carry his momentum into the pocket. Has a motor that is always revving and effort isn't an issue.
WEAKNESSES: Needs to improve backfield vision and pre-snap anticipation. Relies on forward lean, leading to him overextending and ending up on the ground. Has room to improve his patience and ball awareness. Lacks ideal range to consistently make plays outside the hashes.
IN OUR VIEW: If the technique and discipline catch up to his natural brawling strength and mentality, Billings flashes dominant qualities. A scheme-versatile prospect, he will be valued as a nose tackle by odd fronts and a one-technique tackle by even fronts.

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And if Dallas doesn't recognize that their defense is their weakest unit, and the guys up front the weakest, then I don't know what to say. Get the shiny new RB or DB, and keep getting run on, and having a mountain of time to throw the ball. Blame the DE's when the DL isn't getting any push and they are easily single blocked. Power and speed wins, and Dallas is WEAK.

 

[reddyuta]

I think Garrett is a big phony but i am in hold pattern with this draft.To me it would be a great draft if Jaylon smith can actually play football in the NFL again.