Interesting note from Mickey Spagnola

[jazzcat22]

Maybe this was posted earlier, or in another thread.

He said funny how the Eagles sacked Bedsoe, what 7 times. And everyone screaming for a mobile QB in Romo. Which if he played may have been sacked 5 times.

Well Micheal Vick got sacked 7 times by the giants. Uhhh....isn't Vick supposed to be the most mobile QB? I know, the Giants have a better pass rush than the Eagles, but it isn't that much better.

The Eagles did not sack Drew Brees at all.

any analysis on this.

 

[superpunk]

Mobile is a misleading description. Vick is a RB playing QB, and has a ten cent head to go along with his million dollar arm and legs. If you can confuse him, and play contain, and have the personnel to keep his scrambling under control, the Falcons are ridiculously beatable, because he cannot win with his head.

Romo looks to have some escapability as well as good decision making. That's a big leg up on a Vick.

 

[JeffInDC]

I think it is pretty safe to say that a QB's "pocket awareness" is much more important than their "mobility". Peyton Manning ain't the most nimble guy around, yet he doesn't get sacked much? Why, because his "awareness" tells him when to move around just a little bit and get rid of the damn ball. That's Bledsoe's problem: his pocket awareness is just O.K. (hell, it may even worse than that). Tom Brady is another example of this. ever notice how he'll just simply "side-step" the oncoming defender? Yet, he probably is no faster than Drew in a foot race. Really think about it.

 

[BLT]

you need to have spider senses...

 

[Crown Royal]

I think it is pretty safe to say that a QB's "pocket awareness" is much more important than their "mobility". Peyton Manning ain't the most nimble guy around, yet he doesn't get sacked much? Why, because his "awareness" tells him when to move around just a little bit and get rid of the damn ball. That's Bledsoe's problem: his pocket awareness is just O.K. (hell, it may even worse than that). Tom Brady is another example of this. ever notice how he'll just simply "side-step" the oncoming defender? Yet, he probably is no faster than Drew in a foot race. Really think about it.

Pretty much how I feel. Romo is not as mobile as people on here seem to imagine he is. I don't really know where this came from. The point is that Bledsoe has absolutely no awareness in the pocket, he doesn't feel the rush, he doesn't move (by move, a step left right or forward) he does nothing. Further, his release is incredibly slow - he pats the ball, he doesn't understand that in the blitz it HAS to be out of your hand in 2.5 - 3 seconds TOPS.

 

[TheSkaven]

I don't agree that Romo would only have been sacked 5 times. It isn't even about him being more mobile, which he obviously is, but he seems to get the ball out quicker. I can think of at least three sacks in that Eagles-Cowboys game where Bledsoe held the ball far too long.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Maybe this was posted earlier, or in another thread.

He said funny how the Eagles sacked Bedsoe, what 7 times. And everyone screaming for a mobile QB in Romo. Which if he played may have been sacked 5 times.

Well Micheal Vick got sacked 7 times by the giants. Uhhh....isn't Vick supposed to be the most mobile QB? I know, the Giants have a better pass rush than the Eagles, but it isn't that much better.

The Eagles did not sack Drew Brees at all.

any analysis on this.

Vick isn't a passing threat. Therefore you stack the defense against the run and guess what happens. Someone is going down. Warrick Dunn or the other "Option" in the Option Play. Michael Vick.

It's hard for a running back to even get back to the line of scrimage when the defense is stacked against him. If the QB is the running back, then it's a sack. Brees can pass the ball and burn you if you are stacked against the run. So, Brees didn't face the same pressure.

This is the same reason I would have never drafted Vince Young. He lacks the passing skills. (though he could end up better than Vick in that area)

 

[aquavita]

Pretty much how I feel. Romo is not as mobile as people on here seem to imagine he is. I don't really know where this came from. The point is that Bledsoe has absolutely no awareness in the pocket, he doesn't feel the rush, he doesn't move (by move, a step left right or forward) he does nothing. Further, his release is incredibly slow - he pats the ball, he doesn't understand that in the blitz it HAS to be out of your hand in 2.5 - 3 seconds TOPS.

2.5 seconds is still too long in many cases. We need to work on getting better hot reads for bledsoe, as well as max protect.

 

[Crown Royal]

2.5 seconds is still too long in many cases. We need to work on getting better hot reads for bledsoe, as well as max protect.

I can't disagree with you on this, except that Bledsoe will NEVER get it out this quick. It is a one second ordeal for the pat and windup with the guy.

That being said, the offensive coaches get a lot of blame from me. Our snap count sucks (which should be adjusted by the qb - he snaps it right when they show blitz and kills recognition opportunity for the line) and won't switch from his primary to a hot route receiver.

Protection be damned - good QBs make the defense pay for blitzing. We can't seem to do that.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Comaparing to Vick is like comparing apples to a stick of beef jerky...

Look at QB's that have good pocket awareness and ability to move around and buy time:

Brees
Brady,
McFlabb
Manning...yes Payton Manning
Delhomme
Hasslebeck
McNair
Farve
Bulger
Alex Smith
Carr
Leftwich
Rothlisberger
Palmer
Pennington

Just to list a few...

 

[Marktui]

Most of the sacks that was against the Eagles was from pressure up the middle. Drew lacks the lateral movement to evade the rush when it is in front of him. I think most QB's will have the same problem with the rush that Drew was getting. You have to remember at least 3 of those sacks were from defensive guys that came free up the gut. So a lot of times before he even hit his 3rd or 5th step into his dropback, he was getting hit.

Now Romo may have a quicker release, but if a guy is on you and you have no one to throw too, what are you going to do with the ball? I know everyone says throw it away, but in a split second, can a lot of us say we can do that?

 

[tecolote]

I like Mickey, but he can say some things that make no sense at all just to prove a point.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Pretty much how I feel. Romo is not as mobile as people on here seem to imagine he is. I don't really know where this came from. The point is that Bledsoe has absolutely no awareness in the pocket, he doesn't feel the rush, he doesn't move (by move, a step left right or forward) he does nothing. Further, his release is incredibly slow - he pats the ball, he doesn't understand that in the blitz it HAS to be out of your hand in 2.5 - 3 seconds TOPS.

What are you talking about???

I saw with my own eyes how mobile Romo is...this is a ridiculas statement. He does an excellent job of moving around in the pocket...scrambling, and even rushing when nothing is open.

You can't tell me he's not...i've seen it

 

[DCBoysfan]

Another factor in Drew Brees not getting sack is that S. Payton has seen the eagles blitz many times from him coaching with the Giants and Dallas, preperation also plays a very big part.

 

[Crown Royal]

Most of the sacks that was against the Eagles was from pressure up the middle. Drew lacks the lateral movement to evade the rush when it is in front of him. I think most QB's will have the same problem with the rush that Drew was getting. You have to remember at least 3 of those sacks were from defensive guys that came free up the gut. So a lot of times before he even hit his 3rd or 5th step into his dropback, he was getting hit.

Now Romo may have a quicker release, but if a guy is on you and you have no one to throw too, what are you going to do with the ball? I know everyone says throw it away, but in a split second, can a lot of us say we can do that?

I will admit that Bledsoe took sacks that game that he couldn't help. But I say that when they are blitzing that way, you have a hot receiver on a slant and you throw the ball IMMEDIATELY. When they blitz you, if you know your hot route, no reads are necessary - you get the ball otut and make them pay.

That and the dreadful snap count.

 

[Crown Royal]

What are you talking about???

I saw with my own eyes how mobile Romo is...this is a ridiculas statement. He does an excellent job of moving around in the pocket...scrambling, and even rushing when nothing is open.

You can't tell me he's not...i've seen it

There is a difference between the occasional rush and the constant ability to move when things break down. He might be able to move like Carson Palmer, who can get you a few yards if he has some room, but this isn't a McNabb, McNair or even Plummer type of athlete.

 

[hmcorp]

the eagles stopped blitzing against the saints.

dont ask me why.
they just did.

 

[Alexander]

Mobility is overrated.

Being able to make quick mental decisions is what makes the great ones great.

That is part of Bledsoe's problem. He goes through his progressions slower than most.

Romo can be mobile as can be, but if he makes poor decisions after moving it doesn't matter.

 

[BHendri5]

Brees was sacked once, but a penalty in the secondary made against the Giants.

 

[Alexander]

This is the same reason I would have never drafted Vince Young. He lacks the passing skills. (though he could end up better than Vick in that area)

I don't believe there is any doubt he will be better. It would be tough to be any more ineffective as a passer than Michael Vick.