Interesting note from Mickey Spagnola

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percyhoward;1099656 said:
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You just got annoyed for no reason, because I specifically said the blame lies with Bledsoe as well as with the plays. Maybe if you read more carefully, you won't get annoyed so often.

Wasn't even referring to your post, was referring to the numbers that the first poster mentioned that I thought came from Mickey Spagnola. Mickey is a Bledsoe apologist, actually a Dallas Cowboys company line apologist, and I was simply saying that we can all SEE WHAT WE ARE SEEING, and Mickey can't change that with some numbers.

So, reading your post more carefully wouldn't have rescued me from that annoyance. ;) ;)
 

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Ding ding ding Rcaldw vs. percy... Let the race to redundancy begin.
 

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GoinForSix;1099667 said:
Ding ding ding Rcaldw vs. percy... Let the race to redundancy begin.

You trying to be the cheerleader? Trying to get the troups fired up? Or just simply showing your charisma and swagger?
 

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rcaldw;1099663 said:
Wasn't even referring to your post, was referring to the numbers that the first poster mentioned that I thought came from Mickey Spagnola. Mickey is a Bledsoe apologist, actually a Dallas Cowboys company line apologist, and I was simply saying that we can all SEE WHAT WE ARE SEEING, and Mickey can't change that with some numbers.

So, reading your post more carefully wouldn't have rescued me from that annoyance. ;) ;)

Ooh.

That's very different then.

Never mind.
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percyhoward;1099478 said:
JJ has two catches all year. If Bledsoe can't throw a slant, then why do we try it? It seems like we've had success with screens, but we don't like to use them.

I agree but I doubt we do that. Bledsoe just doesn't appear comfortable throwing the ball horizontally. He's much more inclined to go vertical.
 

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jazzcat22;1099205 said:
Maybe this was posted earlier, or in another thread.

He said funny how the Eagles sacked Bedsoe, what 7 times. And everyone screaming for a mobile QB in Romo. Which if he played may have been sacked 5 times.

Well Micheal Vick got sacked 7 times by the giants. Uhhh....isn't Vick supposed to be the most mobile QB? I know, the Giants have a better pass rush than the Eagles, but it isn't that much better.

The Eagles did not sack Drew Brees at all.

any analysis on this.

Yes, the Falcon's O-line are good run blockers, but horrible pass blockers. Matt Lehr, a 5th rounder drafted by us is the highest draft pick on their O-line. Vick gets hit virtually everytime he goes back to throw.
 

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rcaldw;1099672 said:
You trying to be the cheerleader? Trying to get the troups fired up? Or just simply showing your charisma and swagger?

I'm mocking your foolish efforts to provide your opinon while denouncing another. Sarcasm is too simple, try to be wittier next time.
 

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nyc;1099247 said:
Vick isn't a passing threat. Therefore you stack the defense against the run and guess what happens. Someone is going down. Warrick Dunn or the other "Option" in the Option Play. Michael Vick.

It's hard for a running back to even get back to the line of scrimage when the defense is stacked against him. If the QB is the running back, then it's a sack. Brees can pass the ball and burn you if you are stacked against the run. So, Brees didn't face the same pressure.

This is the same reason I would have never drafted Vince Young. He lacks the passing skills. (though he could end up better than Vick in that area)


Vick and Young are 2 completely different players both in size and playing time as collegians. Young played 3 years, Vick 1 1/2 years in college. No qb can develop behind the Falcons offensive line.
 

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percyhoward;1099681 said:
I see we're working on that post count.

I'm a college student in my contemporary poliical science lecture who has his laptop in the back of the lecture hall. Listen to a liberal complain about George Bush OR discuss my favorite football team.
 

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GoinForSix;1099680 said:
I'm mocking your foolish efforts to provide your opinon while denouncing another. Sarcasm is too simple, try to be wittier next time.

That swagger of yours really has me fired up! Man, I'll bet if you were on the Cowboys we wouldn't lose another game! And I'm deeply hurt and intimidated by your redundant mocking. I don't know if I'll ever share my opinion while denouncing another's again.
 

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That was horrible. P.S.

I think snap count has a lot to do with whats going on, it seems like people are just blowing by our guys like they did last year when they figured that Johnson was giving a tip before he snapped the ball. Maybe Gurode is giving something away this year too? Just a thought.
 

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GoinForSix;1099687 said:
I'm a college student in my contemporary poliical science lecture who has his laptop in the back of the lecture hall. Listen to a liberal complain about George Bush OR discuss my favorite football team.
Or basically insult two people who are discussing your favorite football team.
 

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Alexander;1099291 said:
Mobility is overrated.

Being able to make quick mental decisions is what makes the great ones great.

That is part of Bledsoe's problem. He goes through his progressions slower than most.

Romo can be mobile as can be, but if he makes poor decisions after moving it doesn't matter.


Mobility gives you an extra chance to make good decisions. If you don't have it you must eat the ball or throw it away, which severely limits your offense. Montana,Young,elway,Farve,Staubach and even Aikman had mobility in the early days. Fouts,Marino,Manning and Bledsoe don't have it and no rings either. Brady doesn't count cause he didn't what a pass rush was until last year.
 

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GoinForSix;1099694 said:
That was horrible. P.S.

I think snap count has a lot to do with whats going on, it seems like people are just blowing by our guys like they did last year when they figured that Johnson was giving a tip before he snapped the ball. Maybe Gurode is giving something away this year too? Just a thought.

Maybe our QB is very difficult to protect because the defense knows precisely where he will be standing when the rushers arrive? Maybe it is a simple as some QB's are just very difficult to protect?

It doesn't have to be rocket science, sometimes it is exactly as it seems to be.

And all sarcasm aside, that is what I was saying earlier. Why do we keep looking for all these reasons why the blitz eats our lunch? Couldn't it be as simple as Drew Bledsoe doesn't deal well with pressure? Holds the ball to long? Can't sense when to step up or move around in the pocket?

If this is the case, he may still be the better option than Romo, but at that point you just say, "he is what he is" and you try to do what he does best and not put him in those positions. i.e., run the ball ALOT and stay out of prime blitzing situations.
 

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rcaldw;1099709 said:
Maybe our QB is very difficult to protect because the defense knows precisely where he will be standing when the rushers arrive? Maybe it is a simple as some QB's are just very difficult to protect?

It doesn't have to be rocket science, sometimes it is exactly as it seems to be.

And all sarcasm aside, that is what I was saying earlier. Why do we keep looking for all these reasons why the blitz eats our lunch? Couldn't it be as simple as Drew Bledsoe doesn't deal well with pressure? Holds the ball to long? Can't sense when to step up or move around in the pocket?

If this is the case, he may still be the better option than Romo, but at that point you just say, "he is what he is" and you try to do what he does best and not put him in those positions. i.e., run the ball ALOT and stay out of prime blitzing situations.

Respect... When you look in Bledsoes eyes in games on the road he just looks terrified. If I'm a young offensive linemen and I see that my 14 year vet QB is scared, how am I supposed to react to that?
 

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Crown Royal;1099237 said:
Pretty much how I feel. Romo is not as mobile as people on here seem to imagine he is. I don't really know where this came from. The point is that Bledsoe has absolutely no awareness in the pocket, he doesn't feel the rush, he doesn't move (by move, a step left right or forward) he does nothing. Further, his release is incredibly slow - he pats the ball, he doesn't understand that in the blitz it HAS to be out of your hand in 2.5 - 3 seconds TOPS.

On top of that, at tmes this season it looks as if he has created pressure in his mind, when in reality, all that was there was time
 

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jazzcat22;1099205 said:
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Interesting note from Mickey Spagnola

Maybe this was posted earlier, or in another thread.

He said funny how the Eagles sacked Bedsoe, what 7 times. And everyone screaming for a mobile QB in Romo. Which if he played may have been sacked 5 times.

Well Micheal Vick got sacked 7 times by the giants. Uhhh....isn't Vick supposed to be the most mobile QB? I know, the Giants have a better pass rush than the Eagles, but it isn't that much better.

The Eagles did not sack Drew Brees at all.

any analysis on this.

Romo has moxie.
 

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Bledsoe takes all those sacks not because he is immobile, it's because he holds on to the ball too long.
 

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jbsg02;1099858 said:
Bledsoe takes all those sacks not because he is immobile, it's because he holds on to the ball too long.

It's both...not all QB's are going to get rid of the ball quickly every play, but most seem to do a MUCH better job of creating more time.

Bledsoe is having two serious issues:
A) Recognition
B) Unable to buy any time
 
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