Interesting note from Mickey Spagnola

[kartr]

I agree completely, he holds the ball too long because he is slow in reading defenses and doesn't have the mobility to avoid the sack until he sees what he likes.

 

[Alexander]

Mobility gives you an extra chance to make good decisions. If you don't have it you must eat the ball or throw it away, which severely limits your offense. Montana,Young,elway,Farve,Staubach and even Aikman had mobility in the early days. Fouts,Marino,Manning and Bledsoe don't have it and no rings either. Brady doesn't count cause he didn't what a pass rush was until last year.

Coach Parcells summed it up pretty well yesterday. Michael Vick is "mobile", but that still gets him sacked. Why is that? Because he isn't quite intelligent enough to get rid of the ball in time. It is not a simple concept even though people try to make it that way. Just because you can move doesn't mean you do the right thing with the football if you do. Bledsoe is poor in regards to mobility, but if he were a quick decision maker, he would be fine. Brady and both Mannings both do this and neither are that mobile either.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Any time a QB is tackled behind the line or runs out of bounds, isn't it technically a sack regardless if it's a designed run? Maybe that's why Vick was sacked 7 times. I didn't see the game, so I wouldn't know.

 

[tyke1doe]

Maybe this was posted earlier, or in another thread.

He said funny how the Eagles sacked Bedsoe, what 7 times. And everyone screaming for a mobile QB in Romo. Which if he played may have been sacked 5 times.

Well Micheal Vick got sacked 7 times by the giants. Uhhh....isn't Vick supposed to be the most mobile QB? I know, the Giants have a better pass rush than the Eagles, but it isn't that much better.

The Eagles did not sack Drew Brees at all.

any analysis on this.

Vick isn't as quick with his reads so if he feels pressure, he's likely to bail out and run.

Trouble is the Giants were bringing the blitz from the corners, not allowing Vick to escape the pocket.

When Vick decides to run, he can't regroup and pass. That's why the Giants' defensive scheme succeeded against the Falcons.

 

[FLcowboy]

2.5 seconds is still too long in many cases. We need to work on getting better hot reads for bledsoe, as well as max protect.

Or, start working on another quarterback. This is a guy who has been slow to release all his career. He isn't going to change, and in fact, its likely he has lost a step, both physically and mentally. Hot reads are easy, it's always the halfback who stayed in to blocked or chip, and then release. that won't do Bledsoe any good.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

you need to have spider senses...

YES! :spidey:

 

[percyhoward]

Any time a QB is tackled behind the line or runs out of bounds, isn't it technically a sack regardless if it's a designed run?

Unfortunately no. Otherwise we'd have had 3 or 4 mores sacks against Vince Young to our credit. I still like the job we did on him though, no matter what it's called.

 

[ZeroClub]

Maybe our QB is very difficult to protect because the defense knows precisely where he will be standing when the rushers arrive?

Bingo!

Why do we keep looking for all these reasons why the blitz eats our lunch? Couldn't it be as simple as Drew Bledsoe doesn't deal well with pressure? Holds the ball to long? Can't sense when to step up or move around in the pocket?

Yup. And that the defense knows precisely where he will be standing ....

he may still be the better option than Romo, but at that point you just say, "he is what he is" and you try to do what he does best and not put him in those positions. i.e., run the ball ALOT and stay out of prime blitzing situations.

What you are saying makes sense, but I don't think it is realistic.

Not to put works in your mouth, but the approach you suggest might be boiled down (at least in part) to:

"We've just got to avoid obvious passing situations."

It is similar to the "the OL just has to protect him" slogan.

Both of the statements reflect excellent goals, but are apparently very difficult to attain.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

2.5 seconds is still too long in many cases. We need to work on getting better hot reads for bledsoe, as well as max protect.

BP isn't going to max-protect, "the line is going to have to block"

but when Drew 1st came here, and w/ the success he had w/ Ben Coates in NEw England, and having Witten here, I thought his pocket-awareness wouldn't be magnified anymore, I have no idea why him and Witten haven't hit it off, a TE is a QB's best friend in the midst of a pass-rush, and Witten is extremely good, but for whatever reason, it hasn't worked

 

[LaTunaNostra]

, I have no idea why him and Witten haven't hit it off, a TE is a QB's best friend in the midst of a pass-rush, and Witten is extremely good, but for whatever reason, it hasn't worked

Don't know either Summr, but the dynamics between Drew and Ben were much different than between Drew and Jason.

Ben was already "Ben Coates" when Bledsoe came in, and entering his prime. Don't quote me , but I think Bledsoe's first ever TD was to Coates.

In that SB year, Sam was really just one of many short pass saftey valves Bledsoe had. Martin, Gash, Byers, Bartrum...Troy Brown..they all got their share of the ball on passing downs. Terry and Shawn Jefferson were the deep threats, but it was amazing how effective Bledsoe was back then getting rid of the ball short...

The pass protection was usually good, but the Pats, week to week, had an up and down run game because some teams they just could not run block against. Then Martin would be utilized as a receiver, and the short game operated as successfully as the run game to open up a play action effect.

It's a misnomer to believe Bledsoe could never master a short passing game. He excelled at it in 96.

Pete Carroll ruined him is my new theory.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Don't know either Summr, but the dynamics between Drew and Ben were much different than between Drew and Jason.

Ben was already "Ben Coates" when Bledsoe came in, and entering his prime. Don't quote me , but I think Bledsoe's first ever TD was to Coates.

In that SB year, Sam was really just one of many short pass saftey valves Bledsoe had. Martin, Gash, Byers, Bartrum...Troy Brown..they all got their share of the ball on passing downs. Terry and Shawn Jefferson were the deep threats, but it was amazing how effective Bledsoe was back then getting rid of the ball short...

The pass protection was usually good, but the Pats, week to week, had an up and down run game because some teams they just could not run block against. Then Martin would be utilized as a receiver, and the short game operated as successfully as the run game to open up a play action effect.

It's a misnomer to believe Bledsoe could never master a short passing game. He excelled at it in 96.

Pete Carroll ruined him is my new theory.

B. I don't know if Bledsoe has gotten slower reading defenses or has just become incredibly stubborn on looking for the "big play" at the sacrifice of the short game.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

B. I don't know if Bledsoe has gotten slower reading defenses or has just become incredibly stubborn on looking for the "big play" at the sacrifice of the short game.

yeah, he did that under Carroll and in Buffalo, but back with Bill in Dallas he was 're-trained' to make his reads bottom up instead of top down.

I think, remembering the game he could play ten years back, that age IS a big factor now.

And Mike, back then, Bledsoe could and often did come back from games in which he threw stupid picks that led to pretty big point differentials.

What's different now is he gets behind, he's done. Back then, he'd score 45 points to get out of a hole he had dug for himself.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

yeah, he did that under Carroll and in Buffalo, but back with Bill in Dallas he was 're-trained' to make his reads bottom up instead of top down.

I think, remembering the game he could play ten years back, that age IS a big factor now.

And Mike, back then, Bledsoe could and often did come back from games in which he threw stupid picks that led to pretty big point differentials.

What's different now is he gets behind, he's done. Back then, he'd score 45 points to get out of a hole he had dug for himself.

But Barb anymore his accuracy/touch in the short game is just dreadful. And while I would expect Romo to serve up just as many picks if not more I think the short passing game for the team would improve considerably.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

But Barb anymore his accuracy/touch in the short game is just dreadful. And while I would expect Romo to serve up just as many picks if not more I think the short passing game for the team would improve considerably.

I'm not arguing that, Mike.

I just don't get how a qb loses short range accuracy or touch..as opposed to speed, arm strength/zip, agility. The things you expect to see decline over time.

I mean even the decrepit Brunell still has some touch and accuracy left.

Part of me keeps waiting for Bill to 'recreate' the right conditions, and supporting cast for Drew.

A bigger part of me realizes that he never will , and even if he could, it's too late for Bledsoe to regain his mid-late 90's form.