Interesting QB Comparison for this week: Dak v. Wince

[tyke1doe]

Has there ever been a rookie that's played as poorly as Wentz and still have troves of people relentlessly kiss his butt? I've never seen anything like this.

Elway?
Aikman?
Peyton Manning?
Luck?
Cam?
Winston?

 

[adbutcher]

He's completing 63% of his passes and has thrown 11 picks on the year.

He's a rookie and I don't know what kind of scale you are grading him on compared to other rookies but it's a bit ridiculous.

Carson Wentz has looked the part at times and that is what you want from a rookie QB. Show you can do it and he's already done that.

Next year will be about building consistency.

Completing dinks and dunks, he should complete over 60%. When I look at Wentz, I just don't see a potential great QB. I see a bigger version of Alex Smith, and for our sake I hope I am right.

 

[logan]

Elway?
Aikman?
Peyton Manning?
Luck?
Cam?
Winston?

All of those guys were considered to be generational prospects in college. Wentz was a mid round pick until he rocketed up the draft boards due to how thin the QB class was thought to be.

 

[tyke1doe]

All of those guys were considered to be generational prospects in college. Wentz was a mid round pick until he rocketed up the draft boards due to how thin the QB class was thought to be.

First, that wasn't the question. Here's the question:

Has there ever been a rookie that's played as poorly as Wentz and still have troves of people relentlessly kiss his butt? I've never seen anything like this.

Fans of Aikman, Elway, Cam, etc. "kissed their butt" even though they had terrible first years. Why? Because they saw the talent those players possessed and were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and not judge them based on their rookie season.

Similarly, Wentz is having a pretty bad rookie year - though he did start the season hot. Many who evaluated the Eagles thought they would be at the bottom of the division because of a new coach - Pederson - and because they were implementing a new system. Those who aren't blinded by the glare of Cowboy glory and their hatred for everything Eagles can see that Wentz is a good prospect, has the tools and doesn't have the supporting cast Dak does. This isn't a Dak vs. Wentz argument to me, which is why I can praise Dak AND see the talent Wentz possesses as a franchise quarterback.

Third, to address your "generational" comment, what does that mean? If it means once in a generation talent, only Elway meets that qualification. I would say Manning, but Manning's talent was average at best. He excelled by understanding the game better than most quarterbacks - immense football IQ. I would say Cam, but I don't think Cam has it in the maturity and football IQ categories, and for all the running he does, a quarterback isn't a generational talent because he can run but because he can pass more. Otherwise, Michael Vick could also be called a generational talent, and he was a better runner than Cam.
But I'll await your definition of "generational".

Fourth, do you know why Wentz was considered a "mid round" pick? Notice the list of quarterbacks I mentioned above? What is common about them and not Wentz? I won't make you guess.

Elway - Stanford
Aikman - UCLA
P. Manning - Tennessee
Luck - Stanford
Cam - Auburn
Winston - Florida State
Wentz - North Dakota State

The reason Wentz wasn't initially considered higher is because he went to a non-Power 5 school, and the question wasn't did he have the tools but did he play the best competition. But, rest assured, teams and scouts noticed him.

If you're good, the NFL will find you. And if I recall correctly, I heard a few commentators say that if Wentz had gone to a Power 5 school, he would have been the No. 1 pick hands down.

 

[Clove]

It just doesn't matter whether Wentz is good or not, that's for Philly to worry about. We had no shot at him unless we mortgaged everything to get him. What we didn't do will allow us to build our defense next year. Right now, we have Dak Prescott who is our starting QB, who by the way, is 11-1. Fortune rarely falls like that for the Cowboys.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's not Wentz's fault he doesn't have 7-foot-5 receivers to catch his high passes.

They should have drafted Yao Ming.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[Bleu Star]

They are certainly playing in different situations. There is no doubt about that. But at the end of the day, Wentz has been terrible this season, yet people still obsess and gush over him based on little more than hypothetical could-be's.

It's laughable.

 

[Bleu Star]

Dreadful for what? A 5 year vet?



People slobber over Kirk Cousins on this board for some reason and he had some awful moments before this year.

If you think Wentz isn't going to be better than Cousins than you're kidding yourself.

Kirk Cousins is a weak mirage too.

 

[Bleu Star]

I know Cowboys fans are giddy over Dak and rightly so. But Wentz is a good quarterback too and will be a thorn in the side of Dallas for years to come.

That's still TBD.

 

[Bleu Star]

No, he wouldn't. Wentz would still go No. 1. Dak would go No. 2. The last article I read on this still had GMs taking Wentz first.

I'll agree to disagree.

 

[tyke1doe]

That's still TBD.

True. Any talk about the future is pure speculation.

 

[Bleu Star]

True. Any talk about the future is pure speculation.

Based upon what we have seen to this point, Wentz looks pedestrian and definitely like someone that needs much more seasoning at the NFL level.

Dak looks well adjusted and poised to accel beyond our wildest dreams of what we would have gotten out of a 4th round pick.

So, for the Wentz lovers, forgive us about being giddy when considering the now and the future around one Rayne Dakota Prescott.

 

[tyke1doe]

Based upon what we have seen to this point, Wentz looks pedestrian and definitely like someone that needs much more seasoning at the NFL level.

Dak looks well adjusted and poised to accel beyond our wildest dreams of what we would have gotten out of a 4th round pick.

So, for the Wentz lovers, forgive us about being giddy when considering the now and the future around one Rayne Dakota Prescott.

But you can't divorce the fact that Dak has the better team. I personally think the Cowboys would be just as good, probably 9-3, with Wentz. I give Dak the nod because he's more careful with the ball, and his running ability (combined with his "girth") has helped him and the offense. I would give Wentz the nod when it comes to the deep ball, and Dak has missed a few of those.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

But you can't divorce the fact that Dak has the better team. I personally think the Cowboys would be just as good, probably 9-3, with Wentz. I give Dak the nod because he's more careful with the ball, and his running ability (combined with his "girth") has helped him and the offense. I would give Wentz the nod when it comes to the deep ball, and Dak has missed a few of those.

Dak may have missed early on, but he's getting better at it, while Wentz is consistently throwing it into double coverage and getting it picked. The only thing Wentz has over Dak at this point is height and velocity of his throw, problem is he hasn't found a way to put a bit of touch on his closer passes. He seems to be sending fastballs for every throw.

 

[tyke1doe]

Dak may have missed early on, but he's getting better at it, while Wentz is consistently throwing it into double coverage and getting it picked. The only thing Wentz has over Dak at this point is height and velocity of his throw, problem is he hasn't found a way to put a bit of touch on his closer passes. He seems to be sending fastballs for every throw.

But that can be a product of him pressing too much because he doesn't have the same team around him. No one thinks Ben Roethlisberger is better than John Elway, but John Elway stunk his first year, and that's because he was green as grass and he didn't have a team around him. Conversely, Big Ben thrived and led the Steelers to a 15-1 record because he had an extremely good defense surrounding him.

Fortunately for him, the environment he joined helped him progress as a quarterback. I expect the same from Dak. If the Eagles assemble a team around Wentz, I expect him to flourish. But he can't wait; otherwise, he'll become a Jim Plunkett.

 

[Bleu Star]

But you can't divorce the fact that Dak has the better team. I personally think the Cowboys would be just as good, probably 9-3, with Wentz. I give Dak the nod because he's more careful with the ball, and his running ability (combined with his "girth") has helped him and the offense. I would give Wentz the nod when it comes to the deep ball, and Dak has missed a few of those.

Again, I will agree to disagree. I'm not impressed with Wentz (regardless of who's around him).

 

[tyke1doe]

Again, I will agree to disagree. I'm not impressed with Wentz (regardless of who's around him).

Fair enough.

 

[joseephuss]

Elway?
Aikman?
Peyton Manning?
Luck?
Cam?
Winston?

Cam didn't play that poorly his rookie season. He actually did alright for a rookie. Better than he is playing this year.

 

[Bleu Star]

Dude will need a lot of instruction and correction to make it in this league. Can you teach accuracy? Perhaps you can if you correct his mechanics. Anyway, he's an Eagle & I don't care about that clown.