Interesting SackSeer (predicting draft prospect passrushing success)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah I lost faith in yours too when you hyped Tavaris Jackson.


Also, regarding Murray, I said he runs high, doesn't have a lot of moves, and gets hurt a lot. Nobody, including the Cowboys coaches, thought he would be as physical as he is based on anything he did at Oklahoma.

I didn't hype him.

I said he didn't turn the ball over and had productive games with limited attempts ie less than 25. I said he needed to work on his mechanics and improve his accuracy.

He never did start after that but for some reason Pete Carrol thinks enough of him to keep him around as a backup in Seattle and hes had an 8 year career to date. That is hardly a failure.

Now compare and contrast that with you saying that you didn't like Murray because as a Texas fan you never feared him when he went in against you. You may have said other things since then but I remember that draft and you saying that.

 

[Zman5]

I think Lawrence is perfectly capable of averaging 7 sacks per year

No other player past 15 years has done that in Dallas besides Ware. So if Lawrence can do that, he would have been a great pick at where we got him.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No other player past 15 years has done that in Dallas besides Ware. So if Lawrence can do that, he would have been a great pick at where we got him.

In all fairness, during that time span the only pass rushers we spent higher picks on were Ekuban, Ware and Spencer. And to be honest, I'll take Spencer's average of 7 per year over 4 years as well.

 

[Zman5]

In all fairness, during that time span the only pass rushers we spent higher picks on were Ekuban, Ware and Spencer. And to be honest, I'll take Spencer's average of 7 per year over 4 years as well.

Ekuban, Ware and Spencer were all 1st rounders. Spears was also a #1 pick. None of them has averaged 7 sacks a year except Ware. It's not easy to average 7 sacks a year. I'm not sure if Lawrence will/can do it. If he does, we got a great value at where we picked him.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Yeah. Lawrence isn't really an explosive athlete. Hopefully that isn't a sign of bad things.

Twice the athelete ware is. But I dont know if he'll do good in the nfl. He is my main thing ill be watching.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His upside is Terrell Suggs. His downside is Victor Butler.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79784&draftyear=2009&genpos=OLB

I think he already has better moves and technique that Butler

 

[Alexander]

interesting to metricize

It is a sad state of affairs that we can now give bean counting a name by making it up. No offense to you, jterrell.

I just laugh when I see more and more of the fruitless effort to boil this game down to statistical nonsense.

Thankfully, it sounds like Lawrence might be okay according to this latest effort of number crunching. What I really want to know is how his 3-cone will help the rest of his teammates overcome their deficiencies.

 

[Alexander]

This is like stumbling into a Star Trek convention.

Picard or Kirk? 3-cone or 10 yard shuttle?

Choose wisely.

 

[dogunwo]

Picard or Kirk? 3-cone or 10 yard shuttle?

Choose wisely.

Picard. 10 yard shuttle. Isn't it obvious?

 

[casmith07]

If I roll my eyes any harder at "explosion index" they might fall out of my head.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is a sad state of affairs that we can now give bean counting a name by making it up. No offense to you, jterrell.

I just laugh when I see more and more of the fruitless effort to boil this game down to statistical nonsense.

Thankfully, it sounds like Lawrence might be okay according to this latest effort of number crunching. What I really want to know is how his 3-cone will help the rest of his teammates overcome their deficiencies.

You and Joe Morgan would get along great.

I think its a sad state of affairs that after seeing the success with the technique in baseball that it is discounted the possibility that similar techniques could be successful in another sport.

 

[CATCH17]

I didn't hype him.

I said he didn't turn the ball over and had productive games with limited attempts ie less than 25. I said he needed to work on his mechanics and improve his accuracy.

He never did start after that but for some reason Pete Carrol thinks enough of him to keep him around as a backup in Seattle and hes had an 8 year career to date. That is hardly a failure.

Now compare and contrast that with you saying that you didn't like Murray because as a Texas fan you never feared him when he went in against you. You may have said other things since then but I remember that draft and you saying that.

Lol I'm not a Texas fan.

What I said about Murray is I didn't think his style would transition to the pros and I still don't think the style he had in college would work in the pros.

He came to Dallas and was a far more physical back then he ever was at Oklahoma.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol I'm not a Texas fan.

What I said about Murray is I didn't think his style would transition to the pros and I still don't think the style he had in college would work in the pros.

He came to Dallas and was a far more physical back then he ever was at Oklahoma.

Does it make a difference? You still said that you didn't 'fear' him and that was your initial take. Too bad

I don't care how you have come to rationalize how you came to be wrong since then. I thought it was funny when you said he was a fumbler and couldn't run inside back then too.

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He is a poor mans Percy Harvin. Very poor.

He has no moves and he beats teams to the edge with his speed. He won't do that in the NFL.

He is nothing like Felix.

The guy has no clue how to run between the tackles, he puts the rock on the ground, and he is constantly hurt.

He has NEVER been the same since his early college injuries.


This is why we need a real GM. Disgrace. Go try and fix the CBA Jerry cause you suck at drafting. Wow

We couldve got Will freaking Rackley. Wow. How stupid can you be.

Lol Jerry just said they had him rated as a first rounder. What an idiot.

I included that one because it turns out that Murray was the best back to come out of that draft.

No it's about tools and physical ability.

You can still play against basically air (big 12 defenses) and have the ability to play at the next level.

I just don't like his physical ability at all as a RB. He will not be a full time RB in this league and there is no validating a pick for this guy for our team.


He fumbles, he gets hurt, he hasn't been the same back since he has gotten hurt, and he is not effective whatsoever between the tackles.

He is needs to be in a zone scheme to have any kind of success as a runner.

The guy should've been a slot receiver at Oklahoma.

We reached and we made a pick that we will struggle to get use of.

I do like him as a returner but a returner in the 3rd? No thanks.

All of that was from the thread right after the pick was made.

 

[dogunwo]

Does it make a difference? You still said that you didn't 'fear' him and that was your initial take. Too bad

I don't care how you have come to rationalize how you came to be wrong since then. I thought it was funny when you said he was a fumbler and couldn't run inside back then too.

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I included that one because it turns out that Murray was the best back to come out of that draft.



All of that was from the thread right after the pick was made.

Wow, severe and excruciating ownage right there. That hurt me. That was a beatdown.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Ekuban, Ware and Spencer were all 1st rounders. Spears was also a #1 pick. None of them has averaged 7 sacks a year except Ware. It's not easy to average 7 sacks a year. I'm not sure if Lawrence will/can do it. If he does, we got a great value at where we picked him.

I think people don't really understand how tough it is to get sacks in this league consistently especially once teams start focusing on you. I think we all were too spoiled by Demarcus Ware. But the fact is, there are/were only a handful of guys you knew year in and out that they would give you atleast 10 sacks a year and Ware was one of them. But by no means is that the bar for DE pressure. Especially if you're defensive line is good enough to generate pressure from all 4 guys.

 

[Alexander]

You and Joe Morgan would get along great.

I think its a sad state of affairs that after seeing the success with the technique in baseball that it is discounted the possibility that similar techniques could be successful in another sport.

Baseball is an individual sport. I also don't see something completely made up like "explosive index".

 

[Hoofbite]

Twice the athelete ware is. But I dont know if he'll do good in the nfl. He is my main thing ill be watching.

Twice the athlete?

Hard to imagine how he'd fail with that sort of ability.

 

[Hoofbite]

Baseball is an individual sport. I also don't see something completely made up like "explosive index".

I didn't even see the explosive index at first but they're lumping 40 time in with broad jump and vertical?

Not sure what to think about 40 time being included. If you're measuring explosiveness with vertical and broad jump, it doesn't seem 40 time would capture the same quality. Sudden movements versus sustained speed.

Certainly could have a player who starts the 40 like a champ and has low top-end speed. Compared to a guy with slower starts but higher top-end speed, I'd call the first player more explosive if both guys had an identical 40.

 

[casmith07]

We couldve got Will freaking Rackley. Wow. How stupid can you be.

LOL.

 

[CATCH17]

Does it make a difference? You still said that you didn't 'fear' him and that was your initial take. Too bad

I don't care how you have come to rationalize how you came to be wrong since then. I thought it was funny when you said he was a fumbler and couldn't run inside back then too.

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All of that was from the thread right after the pick was made.

I was wrong about Murray because of what myself and others couldn't project him to be off of what he did in College and that was being a physical NFL back vs a college guy who was a 1 cut to the outside and try to take it to the house guy.

Who also got subbed out anytime they wanted to run him between the tackles.



Also, for every one of these I have several players I was right about. I called Tyron Smith before he was even a draft prospect. I called Earl Thomas over Eric Berry when everyone was on that hype as well. Everyone misses on players and I missed on Murray for things that I couldn't project based on anything he did at Oklahoma.

Also... It's not like he's some superstar runner or anything. The guy is good but not anything special and till this day still gets hurt a lot.