Is anyone else tired of hearing about this oil leak?

[BrAinPaiNt]

They have not had an incident in off shore drilling for many years the overall track record in off shore drilling is actually pretty darn good.

I wish I could tell you it will never ever happen again but equipment fails accidents do happen.

Had this accident happened in shallower waters this well would have been capped much quicker bit different when drilling at 1 mile below.

Last thing you could mandate these companies but they are drilling in international waters along with drilling companies from China and other nations who are not going to be subjected to any mandate.

The incident I spoke about was much shallower than the current incident and it took the same route where they went through trying to kill it, then doing the top kill and some of the other things and still had to wind up waiting for the relief rigs to be done before it was stopped. This whole thing being spread about it being a mile down is the main problem is not supported by history of that other incident that was nowhere as close to being this deep.

Speaking of the mandate...that is why I said it should be the oil companies themselves making the requirements. It is in their best interest in not only looking better from a PR prospective but also it would be much cheaper than what the current situation is right now. They have lost huge amounts of oil, which they are going to pay royalties per estimated barrel already. If they are fined they can be fined per barrel. They lost a number of workers, lost a rig, have had to hire many more workers, get clean up equipment, paying for equipment to try to cap the well and this does not even take into account the number of lawsuits that are going to happen that will span many years due to continuing damage to the local environment.

It would be much cheaper to just make the two relief wells (which is what they will wind up doing) along with the main rig in the future...even if it is self mandated because end the end it will be better for their own reasons even if they don't give a crap about others.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I will say if BP is found to be negligent then they need to pay for that. I think the hard thing now days is finding balance we want these companies following safety regulation and being held accountable when they are negligent.

What I fear is that you will have those who have their own agenda that will want to put such harsh restrictions on the industry that it cripples them

They don't have to be found to be negligent to pay for it...they have already said they will pay for it.

Now we will see if they are a company of their word or will try to get out of it.

Furthermore if these companies were harder on their own restrictions, they would not have to worry about others trying to place restrictions on them.

Kind of like a college or NFL team. Ever see where an NFL team will discipline a player enough that the NFL will not add anything to it. How about when a college gets in trouble for violations and they give themselves a pretty substantial penalty and then the NCAA will let that stand and leave it be. However you will see times when teams/schools do nothing or they try and get away with just giving the slightest of punishments...then the NCAA or NFL increases it.

This is similar to a lot of businesses. If they would do things right, take guidelines and restrictions seriously instead of trying to short cut them to make an extra buck...they would not have to worry about oustiders coming in and placing more restrictions, rules or penalties on them.

But again as I stated in the first of my post...We don't have to wait and see if they are negligent...because they have already pledged to pay for the issue.

 

[zrinkill]

Furthermore if these companies were harder on their own restrictions, they would not have to worry about others trying to place restrictions on them.

I do not believe that for one second.

 

[CowboyWay]

Looks like they are about to get it done. Watching live footage and they are close to getting capped.

I've got my snickers bar. Gonna be a while?????...........

 

[Doomsday101]

They don't have to be found to be negligent to pay for it...they have already said they will pay for it.

Now we will see if they are a company of their word or will try to get out of it.

Furthermore if these companies were harder on their own restrictions, they would not have to worry about others trying to place restrictions on them.

Kind of like a college or NFL team. Ever see where an NFL team will discipline a player enough that the NFL will not add anything to it. How about when a college gets in trouble for violations and they give themselves a pretty substantial penalty and then the NCAA will let that stand and leave it be. However you will see times when teams/schools do nothing or they try and get away with just giving the slightest of punishments...then the NCAA or NFL increases it.

This is similar to a lot of businesses. If they would do things right, take guidelines and restrictions seriously instead of trying to short cut them to make an extra buck...they would not have to worry about oustiders coming in and placing more restrictions, rules or penalties on them.

But again as I stated in the first of my post...We don't have to wait and see if they are negligent...because they have already pledged to pay for the issue.

I know they will pay for it even if they did nothing wrong it still falls on them to make it right as it should be.

Industries even when they set their own standards still are required to meet federal guidelines they still have to get permits by the federal government to grant them the rights and while I am pro drilling I don't think you let any industry completely police themselves.

I have nothing with placing regulation on the industry but I do think there are many who are anti drilling who will use this to put pressure on stiff regulations that makes it virtually impossible to do the job that needs to be done.

 

[Doomsday101]

3 Mile Island all over again I'm afraid. If we had just made the necessary corrections in our Nuclear Plant Engineering and continued to move forward, I believe we would be much better of today. Maybe the need for such deep drilling would not have been necessary. Who knows?

No doubt about it. Realistically that is the only clean energy out there that can handle the energy requirements this country needs and uses. People talk about wind? Yet to produce the energy that 1 nuclear power plant produces you would need the land the size of Connecticut filled with wind turbines to produce the same about of energy

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I do not believe that for one second.

Really does not make a difference in what you believe. Because if they were tighter on their own restrictions and followed through on the restrictions they made instead of cutting corners...it would most likely keep incidents from happening and giving others legitimate excuses to place more on them.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I will say if BP is found to be negligent then they need to pay for that. I think the hard thing now days is finding balance we want these companies following safety regulation and being held accountable when they are negligent.

What I fear is that you will have those who have their own agenda that will want to put such harsh restrictions on the industry that it cripples them

BP's negligence in this matter was reprehensible. There were several warnings that there was a major issue and they ignored them because they were behind schedule and over-budget.

BP should be crippled in this case. I mean look what they wanted to do AFTER it happen. They wanted to let it spew for months while drilling relief holes rather than doing something drastic to completely shut it down now. Their thought was "screw the environment, I want the oil".

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know they will pay for it even if they did nothing wrong it still falls on them to make it right as it should be.

Industries even when they set their own standards still are required to meet federal guidelines they still have to get permits by the federal government to grant them the rights and while I am pro drilling I don't think you let any industry completely police themselves.

I have nothing with placing regulation on the industry but I do think there are many who are anti drilling who will use this to put pressure on stiff regulations that makes it virtually impossible to do the job that needs to be done.

But again it goes back to what I was saying and you made a good point of it when talking about 3 mile island.

If the companies don't screw up, if they are strict with their restrictions and guidelines (whether they made them or not they have to enforce them) then chances are the accidents (if you want to call them that as I don't know if you can call negligence an accident) would not be happening. But once it does, it opens up the way for those that are against it to change things.

Your 3 mile island example is perfect. If not for that accident, we would probably be more nuclear now and better off for it with the exception of where to send the waste.

Even if outside entities are placing restrictions on you but you don't follow those and they don't enforce them because you are paying them off...it is still the responsibility of the company to do things the right way and if they do they won't wind up getting in trouble.

 

[Wimbo]

The incident I spoke about was much shallower than the current incident and it took the same route where they went through trying to kill it, then doing the top kill and some of the other things and still had to wind up waiting for the relief rigs to be done before it was stopped. This whole thing being spread about it being a mile down is the main problem is not supported by history of that other incident that was nowhere as close to being this deep.

Speaking of the mandate...that is why I said it should be the oil companies themselves making the requirements. It is in their best interest in not only looking better from a PR prospective but also it would be much cheaper than what the current situation is right now. They have lost huge amounts of oil, which they are going to pay royalties per estimated barrel already. If they are fined they can be fined per barrel. They lost a number of workers, lost a rig, have had to hire many more workers, get clean up equipment, paying for equipment to try to cap the well and this does not even take into account the number of lawsuits that are going to happen that will span many years due to continuing damage to the local environment.

It would be much cheaper to just make the two relief wells (which is what they will wind up doing) along with the main rig in the future...even if it is self mandated because end the end it will be better for their own reasons even if they don't give a crap about others.

BP - Here is what you are talking about... must see TV:

[youtube]GHmhxpQEGPo[/youtube]

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

BP's negligence in this matter was reprehensible. There were several warnings that there was a major issue and they ignored them because they were behind schedule and over-budget.

BP should be crippled in this case. I mean look what they wanted to do AFTER it happen. They wanted to let it spew for months while drilling relief holes rather than doing something drastic to completely shut it down now. Their thought was "screw the environment, I want the oil".

The chairman or CEO tried to minimize things (the PR game) after the spill multiple times and after each time he had to come back and change his stance after the clear evidence was overwhelmingly against what he previously said.

I mean I want to give him kudos for admitting the problem and saying they are responsible but it still leaves a bad taste in your mouth when they initially tried to make it seem much less than it was for PR reasons.

Also we have had an interview with a worker that said the day of the accident, or day before, he saw some workers arguing with a "company Man" or "higher up" from BP saying they had to go forward. The workers were arguing about safety issues and the pressures valves but were cut off.

Then there is another report coming out now that said one of the workers that was killed in the accident was so scared/worried about the safety issues on the rig that the last time he went home he set up his will, got his things in order, talked to the wife about being worried about the rig, told her what to do and how to do some things.

It is pretty obvious there were worries from different workers on the rig that were overuled by higher ups or company men. Sadly one guy that was worried about it lost his life.

But then again...one of the BP guys said something like, I felt like my life ended so I guess that makes it better.

 

[joseephuss]

No doubt about it. Realistically that is the only clean energy out there that can handle the energy requirements this country needs and uses. People talk about wind? Yet to produce the energy that 1 nuclear power plant produces you would need the land the size of Connecticut filled with wind turbines to produce the same about of energy

First I will say that I am for nuclear energy. Do you really consider it clean energy? I don't because of the byproducts it produces, but I agree that it can handle our energy needs and then some.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm tired of this thread.

 

[Doomsday101]

BP's negligence in this matter was reprehensible. There were several warnings that there was a major issue and they ignored them because they were behind schedule and over-budget.

BP should be crippled in this case. I mean look what they wanted to do AFTER it happen. They wanted to let it spew for months while drilling relief holes rather than doing something drastic to completely shut it down now. Their thought was "screw the environment, I want the oil".

I'll wait until the independent review on what happened come out before dealing with the hear say at this stage where everyone is pointing fingers at everyone. Not saying what you mentioned is true or untrue

 

[TwoCentPlain]

To all those who are in favor of nuclear power:

Great stuff, most efficient, cleanest, etc. One problem though: radioactive waste. Where are you going to put it? Nevada doesn't want it anymore. Those living in Nevada now are questioning why they have to honor a deal signed by people a generation ago.

Without a place to put the waste, nuclear power is useless.

I guess you could bury the nuclear waste at the Mexican border. Butta-bing, no more illegal immigration problem. No one would be crossing the border then.

 

[Doomsday101]

But again it goes back to what I was saying and you made a good point of it when talking about 3 mile island.

If the companies don't screw up, if they are strict with their restrictions and guidelines (whether they made them or not they have to enforce them) then chances are the accidents (if you want to call them that as I don't know if you can call negligence an accident) would not be happening. But once it does, it opens up the way for those that are against it to change things.

Your 3 mile island example is perfect. If not for that accident, we would probably be more nuclear now and better off for it with the exception of where to send the waste.

Even if outside entities are placing restrictions on you but you don't follow those and they don't enforce them because you are paying them off...it is still the responsibility of the company to do things the right way and if they do they won't wind up getting in trouble.

In principal you may be right but reality is they are looking to make money that is how a business stays in business if you are not turning profits you don't last long. Since that is the case I think there should be meaningful and constructive regulation to oversee that things are being properly done. Having checks and counter checks can be a good thing.

 

[ologan]

BP - Here is what you are talking about... must see TV:

[youtube]GHmhxpQEGPo[/youtube]

Well Rachel,will you be the first to garage your gas powered vehicle and switch to a bicycle?

 

[Doomsday101]

First I will say that I am for nuclear energy. Do you really consider it clean energy? I don't because of the byproducts it produces, but I agree that it can handle our energy needs and then some.

I think it is pretty clean energy and with newer technology being used much of the waste can be reprocessed and used.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html

 

[hairic]

As it turns out, this exact situation happened last year. Drilling deep under the ocean, drilling platform blew, no relief wells drilled, and an oil leak that couldn't be stopped for over two months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montara_oil_spill
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6886728.ece

 

[Wimbo]

Well Rachel,will you be the first to garage your gas powered vehicle and switch to a bicycle?