Is Bill Parcells the NFL's best coach?

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JackMagist;1178149 said:
No Bill Parcells is not the NFL's best caoch. He may very well be the best team builder in the NFL but he is mediocre at best as a gameday sideline coach and game planner. We do much better since he has turned over the play calling to someone else on both offense and defense.

He's coming up with these plans, though. He has a hand in palycalling. And we consistently do things noone else is able to do, particularly on defense. And this is just year 2 of the 3-4. It seems to me the plans are pretty good, although the execution may not be. And that does fall on coaching to an extent. But preparation is soemthing I can't imagine is a problem. Who else consistently does what we do, with taking away what the other team wants to do? Little Bill used to, but he's lost the hosses to do that with. I honestly don't know that there's a better gameplanner in the NFL.
 

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JackMagist;1178149 said:
No Bill Parcells is not the NFL's best caoch. He may very well be the best team builder in the NFL but he is mediocre at best as a gameday sideline coach and game planner. We do much better since he has turned over the play calling to someone else on both offense and defense.

I dunno ... Bill did a magical job getting that 2003 team to the playoffs with Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting ... and he called the plays that season.

Judging playcalling and game planning is tough and often overrated considering so many coaches are involved in it. But remember one thing ... this little streak we're on began after the Giants game when Parcells said he would become more involved in the planning. Things have been working much better ever since.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1178130 said:
Parcells is obviously is a very good coach.

But he's not the same coach as he was with the Giants. I would have liked to see that coach...coach the Cowboys.

Give him Taylor, Carson, Banks, Burt, Marshall and many of those Giants players in their prime and he would be the same coach.
 

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LD Fan;1178154 said:
I think he is the best GM, he is unmatched at assembling talent. This roster was almost completely devoid of NFL talent when he got here. Now it is loaded.

I don't think he's the best sideline or game preparation coach right now. Top 5 yes. No matter how you cut it, this team is more talented than 6-4. I would probably put Tony Dungy or Jeff Fisher at the top right now.

Parcells isn't the GM.
 

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NorthTexan95;1178159 said:
I dunno ... Bill did a magical job getting that 2003 team to the playoffs with Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting ... and he called the plays that season.

Judging playcalling and game planning is tough and often overrated considering so many coaches are involved in it. But remember one thing ... this little streak we're on began after the Giants game when Parcells said he would become more involved in the planning. Things have been working much better ever since.

^^^^I think this "streak" had more to do with this Moxican by the name of Romo more than anything.

Bill deserves major credit for sacking Bledsoe and the gameplan Sunday.

Besides the Colts Game the Boys have been extremely inconsistent...so you will have to forgive me if I am not popping the Champagne and feeling all warm and fuzzy inside about our situation right now.

Parcells is greatness and I JUDGE him by what he does after the Regular Season...

Right now, as I said, it is hard to judge who is and who isnt as alot of it has to do with your personell.

- Mike G.
 

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I'm not saying Bill Parcells is the best coach in the league but you can't accurately state who the best coach is. That question is always the flavor of the month.

You can't just look at one season ... you can't just look at wins and losses.
 

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Stautner;1178169 said:
Give him Taylor, Carson, Banks, Burt, Marshall and many of those Giants players in their prime and he would be the same coach.

I'm not talking about the winning...I'm talking about the sometimes it seems like lack of fire compared to when he coached the Giants. Real or not I don't know...But that's how it seems to me.
 

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mickgreen58;1178172 said:
^^^^I think this "streak" had more to do with this Moxican by the name of Romo more than anything.

Bill deserves major credit for sacking Bledsoe and the gameplan Sunday.

Besides the Colts Game the Boys have been extremely inconsistent...so you will have to forgive me if I am not popping the Champagne and feeling all warm and fuzzy inside about our situation right now.

Parcells is greatness and I JUDGE him by what he does after the Regular Season...

Right now, as I said, it is hard to judge who is and who isnt as alot of it has to do with your personell.

- Mike G.

Ok. I'll go with that. Let's bring this question back up in February. Right now it's not worth our time.
 

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overall he probably is the best overall coach, if not then top 3. IMHO it's a no brainer if you factor the state of ill repair our team was when he arrived. without a doubt the best GM talent evaluator. he had us in position to win every game but 1 (NYG) this year to date (and even that one we should have been winning at the half after being totally outplayed). last year, as dismal as that went, we lost 3 games by FGs misses... that's a playoff spot.

i questioned his gameday coaching when Drew as playing but it's clear now that his coaching was greatly hampered by our QB... the fact he made that switch against Jerruh and most experts cements it.
 

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Stautner;1178170 said:
Parcells isn't the GM.

I know that. :fight: But he has OBVIOUSLY made the personnel and draft decisions. There's no other way to explain the talent assembled since he's been here since prior to that we sucked at building a roster.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1178177 said:
I'm not talking about the winning...I'm talking about the sometimes it seems like lack of fire compared to when he coached the Giants. Real or not i don't know...But that's how it seems to me.

I agree ... Parcells does display less "fire" than he did with the Giants. Sometimes I wish he would display more fire. That doesn't mean he doesn't have that fire inside him. It could mean he's learned to control himself.

Also, the man is much older now. If he acted on the sidelines like he did with the Giants I'm afraid he would have a heart attack!
 

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NorthTexan95;1178173 said:
I'm not saying Bill Parcells is the best coach in the league but you can't accurately state who the best coach is. That question is always the flavor of the month.

You can't just look at one season ... you can't just look at wins and losses.

I agree.

That is why I was asking the original poster what his timeline was...this season, last year...last couple years?

Great Coach, but as of right now this very second looking at his tenure here in Dallas, I have to say the guy hasn't gotten us where I thought we would be.

Hopefully that will change this year.

This isnt a Bash Big Bill Post, I am just stating an honest opinion here..which I am sure most will disagree with it because the Colts game is still so fresh in memory ;) .
 

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NorthTexan95;1178173 said:
I'm not saying Bill Parcells is the best coach in the league but you can't accurately state who the best coach is. That question is always the flavor of the month.

You can't just look at one season ... you can't just look at wins and losses.

but you can have an opinion.
 

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mickgreen58;1178185 said:
I agree.

That is why I was asking the original poster what his timeline was...this season, last year...last couple years?

Great Coach, but as of right now this very second looking at his tenure here in Dallas, I have to say the guy hasn't gotten us where I thought we would be.

Hopefully that will change this year.

This isnt a Bash Big Bill Post, I am just stating an honest opinion here..which I am sure most will disagree with it because the Colts game is still so fresh in memory ;) .

I'm with you on that, I thought he'd work his magic quicker than this. The 1st year fluke set us back probably 2 years.
 

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ConcordCowboy;1178177 said:
I'm not talking about the winning...I'm talking about the sometimes it seems like lack of fire compared to when he coached the Giants. Real or not i don't know...But that's how it seems to me.

He still shows fire at times, but he also is a lot older - perhaps he has changed a little over the years as we all do. Still, I don't think his lack of fire is a significant issue. I think he is doing a quality job, but it's taken a while to assemble the pieces. In fact, we still could use a few new and improved pieces. I admit that at times I've had complaints about him (Parcells), but considering he is in different circumstances with different players and coaches surrounding him than in New York it's impossible to say he has lost it a little.
 

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LD Fan;1178181 said:
I know that. :fight: But he has OBVIOUSLY made the personnel and draft decisions. There's no other way to explain the talent assembled since he's been here since prior to that we sucked at building a roster.

All NFL coaches are involved in draft and FA decisions - as is the GM. The GM typically defers to the coaches on talent and concerns himself with whether an acquisition makes financial sense. Make no mistake, however, Jerry Jones is right in the middle of these decisions as well.
 

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Stautner;1178191 said:
He still shows fire at times, but he also is a lot older - perhaps he has changed a little over the years as we all do. Still, I don't think his lack of fire is a significant issue. I think he is doing a quality job, but it's taken a while to assemble the pieces. In fact, we still could use a few new and improved pieces. I admit that at times I've had complaints about him (Parcells), but considering he is in different circumstances with different players and coaches surrounding him than in New York it's impossible to say he has lost it a little.

Which means he's not the same coach as he was with the Giants...Which is what I said in my original post.

Is it a big deal? I don't know time will tell.
 

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riggo;1178114 said:
i think winning a game in the playoffs may be a prerequisite for consideration as best coach in the league.

i agree that parcells has put together a good team. no offense, but, this is a stretch.

so his past doesnt factor in?

I mean your precious gibbs gets all his respect from his past.

Parcells hasnt had two losing seasons in Dallas, but gibbs is going to have two losing seasons in three years with his own handpicked guys, his old coaches and his own handpicked new coaches.

No parcells has not won a playoff game here yet, but there is no doubt this franchise is on the way up, we are young and talented everywhere and have 9 draft picks for next april.

I believe parcells, Cowher, Schottenheimer and Bellichick are the best coaches in this league and I believe you can rank them in any order and it is ok, because they are all as savy and stick to their beliefs no matter what. And the next two to me would be Mike Holmgren and Andy Reid.
 

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He was the best coach in the league this past Sunday.


And if he continues to string these kind of performances together through February 4th, he'll be the undisputed king.
 

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NO...he's certainly not.

If we are sitting here at 5-5, he's just another guy who has improved some talent but is nearing retirement.

We're 6-4, and this question is being asked???

LIke the team in general, great props for winning a huge game, but a ridiculous question in my mind.

Take his career out of it, and going only on the team we've seen this year and the fact that he put it together, I'm not sure I'd even have him in my top 5.

Win the superbowl with this team, and it's still unlikely he'll get coach of the year....it's a very talented team that has underachieved till last Sunday...imo.
 
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