Is Bledsoe going into the HOF in his first year of eligibility like Moon?

[Bledsoe4MVP]

well you are sorry - you got that right.

and YOU said DREW made stars from scrubs - now you blame the scrubs for not realizing the greatness that is drew and becoming an all-star.

ANYTHING AT ALL to ensure drew is gold in your eyes.

how sad.

Dallas has a lot great players, when did I ever say this team had nothing but scrubs, quit slandering my comments and misconstruing what I say.

 

[iceberg]

Would you like to have quincy carter or chad hutchinson back? What other BETTER QB was available last offseason.....didn't think so!

you sure do know the banned people quickly, don't you?

but as a matter of fact, if it means you took your superduper drewcrew and went to arizona or something DAMN STRAIGHT.

those were sane arguments for different points of view.

you're just a troll who WE KNOW doesn't believe 90% of what you say, it's just like "porn" for you so you gotta go with it. : )

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

what's up with the drew looking like a munchkin on acid rock - not a very flattering pic of your bed-time hero.

:yousuck: :explode: :bastid:

I hope you get banned for such idiotic remarks

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

you sure do know the banned people quickly, don't you?

but as a matter of fact, if it means you took your superduper drewcrew and went to arizona or something DAMN STRAIGHT.

those were sane arguments for different points of view.

you're just a troll who WE KNOW doesn't believe 90% of what you say, it's just like "porn" for you so you gotta go with it. : )

I know bigneil from bb.com where Im a regular poster as well, and I know he's been banned from various message boards for blatant personal attacks against mods and other users.

Yes you're rigth I get off to talking about Bledsoe and football, I can't fool you!

 

[iceberg]

:yousuck: :explode: :bastid:

I hope you get banned for such idiotic remarks

look at him dude - i don't know if i'm watching willow or a lord of the rings movie and drews bastid child from dwarven parties was a part of it.

 

[iceberg]

Dallas has a lot great players, when did I ever say this team had nothing but scrubs, quit slandering my comments and misconstruing what I say.

then quit saying such stupid things.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=726165&postcount=184

or

I don't ignore the facts, like how bledstudsoe has been a mvp calibur player every year making average players and scrubs look like superstars.

YOU SAID THAT - not me. but it is good to know you're finding that statement as stupid as we all have.

 

[Nors]

Did the addition of Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn have anything to do with the team doing better? How about Keith Davis? Nothing special, but still better than what was there in 2004. I know that is disturbing. Did Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty contribute nothing to the team? What about Jason Ferguson? I guess Parcells just screwed up bringing all these guys into the fold because all he had to do was bring in Bledsoe. Maybe he should have kept Wiley, Carson, Coakley, Frazier, Scott and Dixon. Then he could have drafted Drew some O-line help. That would have really turned around a team that didn't make the playoffs into a team that didn't make the playoffs.

Yes - the 3-4 transformation went well. You would be suprised but a year ago the vast majority were clinging to the 4-3 and status quo here. Lets move on -

Your Bledsoe comments don't make any sense. No comment required.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

look at him dude - i don't know if i'm watching willow or a lord of the rings movie and drews bastid child from dwarven parties was a part of it.

It's symbolic....to illustrate Drew's 'Rock Star/God' status....hence the Bledstud, Studsoe, Bledstudsoe, Godsoe and other monikers.

 

[iceberg]

It's symbolic....to illustrate Drew's 'Rock Star/God' status....hence the Bledstud, Studsoe, Bledstudsoe, Godsoe and other monikers.

he looks like the dwarves that knocked over stonehenge in spinal tap. i've taken dumps that looked more like drew.

 

[Nors]

look at him dude - i don't know if i'm watching willow or a lord of the rings movie and drews bastid child from dwarven parties was a part of it.

Irock:

You are watching a Chevy Chase movie, set in Europe.
I won't spoil the ending for you!

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

then quit saying such stupid things.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=726165&postcount=184

or

I don't ignore the facts, like how bledstudsoe has been a mvp calibur player every year making average players and scrubs look like superstars.

YOU SAID THAT - not me. but it is good to know you're finding that statement as stupid as we all have.

Like i said, taht statement got blown out of proportion, especially since Hostile even got real peeved.....that remark was geared towards the NE and BUF teams bledstud was on not Dallas this year. There are a ton of good players here along with Drew and that's why this team will be a dominant force next season. Especially if we have another good draft and some good free agent signings.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

he looks like the dwarves that knocked over stonehenge in spinal tap. i've taken dumps that looked more like drew.

Please quit bashing Drew, it hurts my feelings a lot. Lets just call a truce and be pals. :thankyou: :grouphug:

 

[iceberg]

Like i said, taht statement got blown out of proportion, especially since Hostile even got real peeved.....that remark was geared towards the NE and BUF teams bledstud was on not Dallas this year. There are a ton of good players here along with Drew and that's why this team will be a dominant force next season. Especially if we have another good draft and some good free agent signings.

if he does it he does it. if he USED to do it then what good is he?

either way, you lose. backup what you say or quit saying such stupid things. : )

 

[iceberg]

Please quit bashing Drew, it hurts my feelings a lot. Lets just call a truce and be pals. :thankyou: :grouphug:

no can do man - right now i'm afraid the pic is gonna take a bite out of my knee.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

no can do man - right now i'm afraid the pic is gonna take a bite out of my knee.

You are one sick puppy!

:shoot2: :spanking:

 

[Hostile]

First of all that statement wasn't really about the 05 cowboys, I was talking about the 'scrub' Bills and Pats teams Drew saved from the dregs of the NFL. There was a lot of talent in Big D before Drew got here. But lets take a deeper look that this since you want to focus on just this past season.....

Yet, he didn't play with the Bills or Pats in 2005 did he?

You said he turns scrubs into superstars. So where's your evidence? It's real simple.

1) Terry Glenn's Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1254
- Glenn has had a tumultuous NFL career, mired by injury. But notice how his 4 best season came with Studsoe: 96', 99', 00, and 05'....also is it any coincidence his career was revitalized this year with the reunion of Bledstud?

Revitalized? By all means take a look at his stat sin 2004 with Vinny before he got hurt. The revitalization was happening prior to Bledsoe.

he's clearly not a scrub. You need to show me where he's a now a Superstar because of Drew. That was your contention. Or have you already forgotten?

Keyshawn's Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1265

No real difference, but Keyshawn has never been a true #1 receiver anyway and has had success with journeymen like vinnie T and brad johnson.

In other words, Drew didn't make him any better.

Yes, most of us already realized that. When will you get it?

2) Peerless had a great season in 02 with Drew, then decided to try and play #1 receiver in Atlanta...that didnt work, Vick got hurt in 03 and sucks as a passer anyway. How was he supposed to get playing time here in Dallas with Keyshawn, Glenn and Crayton on the Roster? Also wasn't Quincy Morgan still here when he was signed? Bottom line it wasn't a good fit that's why he was released despite showing flashes of what he is capable of doing (the 50 yard reception at philly on MNF)

No, Quincy Morgan was not still here, but Bledsoe didn't turn that scrub into a superstar either. Again, you fail to affirm how he turned a scrub into a superstar.

3) I wouldn't call 22 receptions for 341 yards meteoric, but he certainly showed improvement and if he was injured for five games, he likely would have had over 500 yards receiving if you extrapolate those numbers. Look at Lee Evans in Buffalo, he had the chance to be a star but that went right down the toilet after Drew was released.

By your own admission once again, there was no metamorphoses.

4) Witten's numbers: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396134

As you can see he had 21 less receptions and 223 yards, yet he still had the same amount of TD's and the same average catch per yard.

Why is this...simple T Glenn wasn't injured the whole season and found his old chemistry with Drew, that's why Witten wasn't as a huge a factor as even I thought he would be. He was Vinnies #1 target as opposed to Drew's #3. Had he been Drew's #1 target, Witten's numbers would have been staggering based on the projection.

Once again, you fall way short of the target you put out there. It's a theme.

5) Considering Polite played in 13 more games than he did last year, I'd say that's an improvement, but by no means is he a superstar nor did I say drew made him one. Don't be surprised if his numbers get even better in 06 though as he continues to develop.

The point remains he wasn't transformed into a superstar, which was your contention.

6) JJ: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974

He had more total yards but he wasn't better, he is still an injury prone player and Barber got a lot of carries as well. Had he played the whole season healthy and been a true #1 back he would have a great season I imagine.

Yet again, you fail to show where a transformation happened.

7) The offensive line is not the best in the NFL.....far from it and I have never claimed otherwise. Larry Allen and Marco Rivero's better days are behind them, yet they were still effective with Studsoe. Flozell might never be the same after this latest injury. The musical chairs at center isn't helping things, and Petitti is going into his 2nd season. Despite all the problems they still came out and battled for their leader like true gridiron warriors. Bledstud has an uncanny knack of inspiring players to be at the top of their game like him.

In other words you failed on all 7 questions and failed to provide evidence yourself that any player on the Cowboys was transformed from scrub to superstar due to the presence of Drew Bledsoe.

That is about what I figured.

Also the whole point of my statement about Drew turning average players into superstars, goes with what nors said as well:

You've sure kissed his butt a lot today. I hope you got a dinner out of it.

Bills were 3-13 pre Bledsoe, 9-7 Last season with Bledsoe, 5-11 after he left.

I don't care about the Bills. They have nothing to do with your failure to show scrub to superstar ascensions.

Dallas was 6-10 pre Bledsoe and 9-7 pronto with him.

You'd have a point if he was the only player added to the roster from 2004 and we had the exact same injuries.

Pats were 1-15 Pre Drew and in SB in 4 years

I don't care about the Patriots either. By the way, Bill Parcells has more history with that metamorphoses than Drew Bledsoe does. Look at the Patriots after Bill left for evidence.

You can't ignore those concrete facts and figures as well....

I've told you already I'm not a troll Hostile, and I'm not here just to promote Bledstud and not talk about anything else to do with Cowboys football. But I hope I gave you some concrete facts regarding some of your questions.:fight: :war:

What concrete facts? The ones that backed me up? In case you're still mind boggled let's review. You failed to show where even one player on the 2005 Dallas Cowboys rose from scrub to superstar. Can you show me even one? I mean right now this is about as miserable a failure to prove a point that I have ever seen.

 

[blindzebra]

Anthony Henry was hurt a chunk of the year

Ware, Canty and Spears were sporadic since they were rookies

Glenn and Ferguson were solid, but they are past their prime as well

These weren't the reasons this team won 3 more games and should have won even more.....it was because the offense was ignited by Studsoe's gritty play and commanding leadership.

Offensive FDs went from 296 to 318

Defensive FDs went from 297 to 256

Edge defense.


Total yards Offense went from 5197 to 5202

TY Defense went from 5285 to 4814

Edge defense

Touchdowns offense went from 33 to 38

TDs defense went from 49 to 35

Edge defense

Sacks allowed went from 33 to 50

Sacks for went from 36 to 37

Minus 17 in sacks allowed, hmmm.

Passing yards offense went from 3428 to 3341

P Y defense went from 3521 to 3083

Vinnie threw for more yards and the defense gave up a lot less.

Rushing yards offense went from 1769 to 1861

R Y defense went from 1764 to 1731

Bledsoe had a better running game than Vinnie

Passing TDs went from 19 to 23

P TDs allowed went from 31 to 18

Plus 4 for us, 13 less against us...DEFENSE.

INTs against went from 23 to 17...3 INTs came from Henson, Crayton and Key.

INTs for went from 13 to 15.

Edge Bledsoe by 1 INT.

 

[Hostile]

Like i said, taht statement got blown out of proportion, especially since Hostile even got real peeved.....that remark was geared towards the NE and BUF teams bledstud was on not Dallas this year. There are a ton of good players here along with Drew and that's why this team will be a dominant force next season. Especially if we have another good draft and some good free agent signings.

When did I get peeved?

I've been laughing my butt off because you opened your mouth and inserted your foot. I find that really funny. You blew the statement out of proportion because you can't even come up with 1 instance to even come close to backing up the assertion and we both know it.

 

[Nors]

http://www.profootball-reference.com/teams/dalindex.htm

Offense in 2005 with Bledsoe

15th in NFL Points scored
25th in NFL Points in 2004 With VT/Henson

Defense in 2005 With new 3-4

12 in NFL Points allowed
27 in NFL Points allowed in 2004

Offensively and defensively a vastly improved football team!

 

[iceberg]

http://www.profootball-reference.com/teams/dalindex.htm

Offense in 2005 with Bledsoe

15th in NFL Points scored
25th in NFL Points in 2004 With VT/Henson

Defense in 2005 With new 3-4

12 in NFL Points allowed
27 in NFL Points allowed in 2004

Offensively and defensively a vastly improved football team!

what scares me is you believe this crap.