Is Bledsoe going into the HOF in his first year of eligibility like Moon?

[Nors]

The Bills had a rookie qb for god's sake. Saying that Bledsoe is better than Losman aint saying a whole lot. How did the Pats do when Bledsoe left? They got better, that says it all.

1) Losman was not a rookie - was in 2nd season....

Bills were 3-13 pre Bledsoe, 9-7 Last season with Bledsoe, 5-11 after he left.

Dallas was 6-10 pre Bledsoe and 9-7 pronto with him.


Pats were 1-15 Pre Drew and in SB in 4 years.


I see a trend here -

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

1) Losman was not a rookie - was in 2nd season....

Bills were 3-13 pre Bledsoe, 9-7 Last season with Bledsoe, 5-11 after he left.

Dallas was 6-10 pre Bledsoe and 9-7 pronto with him.


Pats were 1-15 Pre Drew and in SB in 4 years.


I see a trend here -

Most people tend to ignore the facts....it's really mind boggling!

MVP calibur players make everybody around them better, Studsoe has been doing this his entire career!

 

[Hostile]

Most people tend to ignore the facts....it's really mind boggling!

MVP calibur players make everybody around them better, Studsoe has been doing this his entire career!

It's real simple, stop ignoring facts and your mind won't be boggled.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

It's real simple, stop ignoring facts and your mind won't be boggled.

I don't ignore the facts, like how bledstudsoe has been a mvp calibur player every year making average players and scrubs look like superstars.:

 

[Hostile]

I don't ignore the facts, like how bledstudsoe has been a mvp calibur player every year making average players and scrubs look like superstars.:

The squeamish might want to turn away.

Bledsoe4MVP >>> :spanking: <<<Hostile

Let's begin with that last statement.

1. Please show me where Terry Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson looked like superstars in 2005 because of the presence of Drew Bledsoe.

2. Please explain why Peerless Price couldn't replicate his stats of 2002 though his best advocate on the team was Drew Bledsoe.

3. Please detail the meteoric rise of Patrick Crayton from the dregs of hell to superstar due to Drew Bledsoe.

4. Please show me where Jason Witten, already a budding superstar, had a career year under Bledsoe that was more impressive than the year he had with Vinny Testaverde.

5. Please show me where Lousaka Polite became a superstar this year.

6. Please show me where Julius Jones was better in 2005 with Drew Bledsoe than in 2004 with Vinny Testaverde.

7. Please detail for me how this Offensive Line is the best in the NFL, a veritable plethora of superstars because Drew Bledsoe is their QB.

These are the players who were around Drew Bledsoe in 2005. You just opened your festering gob and said he made them superstars. Time to put up or shut up. Bring out your proof.

I am not looking for your opinions on this. I've already deterined them to not be worth the powder to blow them to hell. It needs to be tangible evidence in the form of articles from actual NFL experts detailing scrub to superstar metamorphoses of these players.

One note on this acceleration of scrub to superstar, you cannot use anyone who was a defender on another team who suddenly looked like a superstar because they sacked or intercepted him on a consistent basis. It's plain that wasn't the intent of your blathering so don't try and go there.

Now, back to the first statement that you don't ignore facts. You're either about to become the most respected poster in message board History as you provide a mountain of proof from nowhere, or you're going to look like the world's biggest fact ignoring fool. The ball is in your court.

Don't sing it, bring it.

 

[Nors]

Bledsoe won more games, scored more points than the 2004 team.

In 2004 we were a 6-10 joke. Last year we flat out beat the best and or outplayed the best in Conference. All with serious warts and holes in Oline and lack of running game.
Bledsoe raised the unit in the face of adversity. Was he perfect? No but he was the best QB we've seen since mid to late 1990's. And not an upside down TD/Int QB like VT/QC,CH had been past half decade.


2006 will be interesting to see how far we continue to raise the bar. As he will again win the starting job over Henson and Romo. Though Romo is going to be pushing him some in 2007.

 

[Hostile]

Bledsoe won more games, scored more points than the 2004 team.

In 2004 we were a 6-10 joke. Last year we flat out beat the best and or outplayed the best in Conference. All with serious warts and holes in Oline and lack of running game.
Bledsoe raised the unit in the face of adversity. Was he perfect? No but he was the best QB we've seen since mid to late 1990's. And not an upside down TD/Int QB like VT/QC,CH had been past half decade.


2006 will be interesting to see how far we continue to raise the bar. As he will again win the starting job over Henson and Romo. Though Romo is going to be pushing him some in 2007.

Tell Bledsoe4MVP. He's under the delusion Bledsoe created superstar caliber players out of scrubs.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

The squeamish might want to turn away.

Bledsoe4MVP >>> :spanking: <<<Hostile

Let's begin with that last statement.

1. Please show me where Terry Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson looked like superstars in 2005 because of the presence of Drew Bledsoe.

2. Please explain why Peerless Price couldn't replicate his stats of 2002 though his best advocate on the team was Drew Bledsoe.

3. Please detail the meteoric rise of Patrick Crayton from the dregs of hell to superstar due to Drew Bledsoe.

4. Please show me where Jason Witten, already a budding superstar, had a career year under Bledsoe that was more impressive than the year he had with Vinny Testaverde.

5. Please show me where Lousaka Polite became a superstar this year.

6. Please show me where Julius Jones was better in 2005 with Drew Bledsoe than in 2004 with Vinny Testaverde.

7. Please detail for me how this Offensive Line is the best in the NFL, a veritable plethora of superstars because Drew Bledsoe is their QB.

These are the players who were around Drew Bledsoe in 2005. You just opened your festering gob and said he made them superstars. Time to put up or shut up. Bring out your proof.

I am not looking for your opinions on this. I've already deterined them to not be worth the powder to blow them to hell. It needs to be tangible evidence in the form of articles from actual NFL experts detailing scrub to superstar metamorphoses of these players.

One note on this acceleration of scrub to superstar, you cannot use anyone who was a defender on another team who suddenly looked like a superstar because they sacked or intercepted him on a consistent basis. It's plain that wasn't the intent of your blathering so don't try and go there.

Now, back to the first statement that you don't ignore facts. You're either about to become the most respected poster in message board History as you provide a mountain of proof from nowhere, or you're going to look like the world's biggest fact ignoring fool. The ball is in your court.

Don't sing it, bring it.

First of all that statement wasn't really about the 05 cowboys, I was talking about the 'scrub' Bills and Pats teams Drew saved from the dregs of the NFL. There was a lot of talent in Big D before Drew got here. But lets take a deeper look that this since you want to focus on just this past season.....

1) Terry Glenn's Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1254
- Glenn has had a tumultuous NFL career, mired by injury. But notice how his 4 best season came with Studsoe: 96', 99', 00, and 05'....also is it any coincidence his career was revitalized this year with the reunion of Bledstud?

Keyshawn's Career Stats: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1265

No real difference, but Keyshawn has never been a true #1 receiver anyway and has had success with journeymen like vinnie T and brad johnson.

2) Peerless had a great season in 02 with Drew, then decided to try and play #1 receiver in Atlanta...that didnt work, Vick got hurt in 03 and sucks as a passer anyway. How was he supposed to get playing time here in Dallas with Keyshawn, Glenn and Crayton on the Roster? Also wasn't Quincy Morgan still here when he was signed? Bottom line it wasn't a good fit that's why he was released despite showing flashes of what he is capable of doing (the 50 yard reception at philly on MNF)

3) I wouldn't call 22 receptions for 341 yards meteoric, but he certainly showed improvement and if he was injured for five games, he likely would have had over 500 yards receiving if you extrapolate those numbers. Look at Lee Evans in Buffalo, he had the chance to be a star but that went right down the toilet after Drew was released.

4) Witten's numbers: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396134

As you can see he had 21 less receptions and 223 yards, yet he still had the same amount of TD's and the same average catch per yard.

Why is this...simple T Glenn wasn't injured the whole season and found his old chemistry with Drew, that's why Witten wasn't as a huge a factor as even I thought he would be. He was Vinnies #1 target as opposed to Drew's #3. Had he been Drew's #1 target, Witten's numbers would have been staggering based on the projection.

5) Considering Polite played in 13 more games than he did last year, I'd say that's an improvement, but by no means is he a superstar nor did I say drew made him one. Don't be surprised if his numbers get even better in 06 though as he continues to develop.

6) JJ: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492974

He had more total yards but he wasn't better, he is still an injury prone player and Barber got a lot of carries as well. Had he played the whole season healthy and been a true #1 back he would have a great season I imagine.

7) The offensive line is not the best in the NFL.....far from it and I have never claimed otherwise. Larry Allen and Marco Rivero's better days are behind them, yet they were still effective with Studsoe. Flozell might never be the same after this latest injury. The musical chairs at center isn't helping things, and Petitti is going into his 2nd season. Despite all the problems they still came out and battled for their leader like true gridiron warriors. Bledstud has an uncanny knack of inspiring players to be at the top of their game like him.

Also the whole point of my statement about Drew turning average players into superstars, goes with what nors said as well:

Bills were 3-13 pre Bledsoe, 9-7 Last season with Bledsoe, 5-11 after he left.

Dallas was 6-10 pre Bledsoe and 9-7 pronto with him.

Pats were 1-15 Pre Drew and in SB in 4 years

You can't ignore those concrete facts and figures as well....

I've told you already I'm not a troll Hostile, and I'm not here just to promote Bledstud and not talk about anything else to do with Cowboys football. But I hope I gave you some concrete facts regarding some of your questions.:fight: :war:

 

[joseephuss]

Bledsoe won more games, scored more points than the 2004 team.

In 2004 we were a 6-10 joke. Last year we flat out beat the best and or outplayed the best in Conference. All with serious warts and holes in Oline and lack of running game.
Bledsoe raised the unit in the face of adversity. Was he perfect? No but he was the best QB we've seen since mid to late 1990's. And not an upside down TD/Int QB like VT/QC,CH had been past half decade.


2006 will be interesting to see how far we continue to raise the bar. As he will again win the starting job over Henson and Romo. Though Romo is going to be pushing him some in 2007.

Did the addition of Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn have anything to do with the team doing better? How about Keith Davis? Nothing special, but still better than what was there in 2004. I know that is disturbing. Did Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty contribute nothing to the team? What about Jason Ferguson? I guess Parcells just screwed up bringing all these guys into the fold because all he had to do was bring in Bledsoe. Maybe he should have kept Wiley, Carson, Coakley, Frazier, Scott and Dixon. Then he could have drafted Drew some O-line help. That would have really turned around a team that didn't make the playoffs into a team that didn't make the playoffs.

 

[joseephuss]

3) I wouldn't call 22 receptions for 341 yards meteoric, but he certainly showed improvement and if he was injured for five games, he likely would have had over 500 yards receiving if you extrapolate those numbers. Look at Lee Evans in Buffalo, he had the chance to be a star but that went right down the toilet after Drew was released.

Lee Evans did not go down the toilet.
catches yards avg. TDs
48 843 17.6 9 2004
48 743 15.5 7 2005

You have to expect some drop off when you are building a team for the long haul by starting a second year QB. I don't know if Losman will amount to anything, but Buffalo had to look long term with their franchise.

 

[iceberg]

Most people tend to ignore the facts....it's really mind boggling!

MVP calibur players make everybody around them better, Studsoe has been doing this his entire career!

that explains the massive improvement we had in the line, huh?

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Lee Evans did not go down the toilet.
catches yards avg. TDs
48 843 17.6 9 2004
48 743 15.5 7 2005

You have to expect some drop off when you are building a team for the long haul by starting a second year QB. I don't know if Losman will amount to anything, but Buffalo had to look long term with their franchise.

Evans numbers could have been great this year with Studsoe still throwing to him, as would the Bills playoff chances been significantly better....

You don't look long term when your on the brink of greatness after Bledstud led your team to six straight must win games. Why does everybody think Bledsoe is so old? The guy is 33 years old, when he was released from buffalo he was 32? He still has plenty of gas left in the tank and will prove it the next few seasons!

 

[blindzebra]

Did the addition of Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn have anything to do with the team doing better? How about Keith Davis? Nothing special, but still better than what was there in 2004. I know that is disturbing. Did Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears and Chris Canty contribute nothing to the team? What about Jason Ferguson? I guess Parcells just screwed up bringing all these guys into the fold because all he had to do was bring in Bledsoe. Maybe he should have kept Wiley, Carson, Coakley, Frazier, Scott and Dixon. Then he could have drafted Drew some O-line help. That would have really turned around a team that didn't make the playoffs into a team that didn't make the playoffs.

Exactly.

The reason we made the playoffs in 2003, DEFENSE.

The reason we went 6-10 in 2004, DEFENSE.

The major reason we went 9-7, BETTER PLAYERS ON DEFENSE.

Interesting that he's contradicting his own agenda, he's trying so hard to pimp Bledsoe and Romo, he's forgetting the 3-4.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

that explains the massive improvement we had in the line, huh?

I'm sorry but I could have swore that before Flozell went down this line was looking pretty dam good....ZERO sacks in the first philly game, giving Drew tons of time to pick apart Oakland, San Diego, NY, etc...actually maybe Flozell was the true MVP of this team and I should eat my words about Bledstud???

 

[iceberg]

>>>2) Peerless had a great season in 02 with Drew, then decided to try and play #1 receiver in Atlanta...that didnt work, Vick got hurt in 03 and sucks as a passer anyway. How was he supposed to get playing time here in Dallas with Keyshawn, Glenn and Crayton on the Roster?

dorkso4mvp - crayton was out QUITE awhile wasn't he last year?

and YOu said drew made hero's out of scrubs. now it's "conditional"?

didn't you get banned once already? i seem to remember someone else wanting to hold bledsoe's johnson for him during various events.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Exactly.

The reason we made the playoffs in 2003, DEFENSE.

The reason we went 6-10 in 2004, DEFENSE.

The major reason we went 9-7, BETTER PLAYERS ON DEFENSE.

Interesting that he's contradicting his own agenda, he's trying so hard to pimp Bledsoe and Romo, he's forgetting the 3-4.

Anthony Henry was hurt a chunk of the year

Ware, Canty and Spears were sporadic since they were rookies

Glenn and Ferguson were solid, but they are past their prime as well

These weren't the reasons this team won 3 more games and should have won even more.....it was because the offense was ignited by Studsoe's gritty play and commanding leadership.

 

[iceberg]

I'm sorry but I could have swore that before Flozell went down this line was looking pretty dam good....ZERO sacks in the first philly game, giving Drew tons of time to pick apart Oakland, San Diego, NY, etc...actually maybe Flozell was the true MVP of this team and I should eat my words about Bledstud???

well you are sorry - you got that right.

and YOU said DREW made stars from scrubs - now you blame the scrubs for not realizing the greatness that is drew and becoming an all-star.

ANYTHING AT ALL to ensure drew is gold in your eyes.

how sad.

 

[iceberg]

Anthony Henry was hurt a chunk of the year

Ware, Canty and Spears were sporadic since they were rookies

Glenn and Ferguson were solid, but they are past their prime as well

These weren't the reasons this team won 3 more games and should have won even more.....it was because the offense was ignited by Studsoe's gritty play and commanding leadership.

what's up with the drew looking like a munchkin on acid rock - not a very flattering pic of your bed-time hero.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

>>>2) Peerless had a great season in 02 with Drew, then decided to try and play #1 receiver in Atlanta...that didnt work, Vick got hurt in 03 and sucks as a passer anyway. How was he supposed to get playing time here in Dallas with Keyshawn, Glenn and Crayton on the Roster?

dorkso4mvp - crayton was out QUITE awhile wasn't he last year?

and YOu said drew made hero's out of scrubs. now it's "conditional"?

didn't you get banned once already? i seem to remember someone else wanting to hold bledsoe's johnson for him during various events.

Look man I'm not going to beef with you! Yes Crayton was out, and just when Peerless started to groove a little (remember the game at philly) they decided to release him. Also the guy couldn't even dress because Parcells had to play Copper on special teams.

I already told you I didn't say Dallas specifically was loaded with 'scrubs', there was a lot of talent here before bledsoe.

Also I'm not bigneil for the 100th time and haven't been banned, is it so hard to fathom that Studsoe is already a legend in some circles and has many loyal fans worldwide????? Why do you have such a problem with him, in fact why do COWBOY fans have such a problem with the leader of their team?

Would you like to have quincy carter or chad hutchinson back? What other BETTER QB was available last offseason.....didn't think so!

 

[joseephuss]

Anthony Henry was hurt a chunk of the year

Ware, Canty and Spears were sporadic since they were rookies

Glenn and Ferguson were solid, but they are past their prime as well

These weren't the reasons this team won 3 more games and should have won even more.....it was because the offense was ignited by Studsoe's gritty play and commanding leadership.

Bledsoe is amazing. He is the reason that opposing teams went from scoring 25.3 points a game in 2004 to 19.3 points a game in 2005. Truly impressive.