Is Bledsoe going into the HOF in his first year of eligibility like Moon?

[Hostile]

Similar sure...

But Moon is a couple notches above.

Remind me that 5 years after he retires to invest in some Kleenex. I have a feeling the stock will rise.

 

[Hostile]

Moon won 5 freaking Grey cups in the CFL. That of course was taken into consideration. If he was in the NFL instead during those prime years instead, he would be the ALL TIME passing leader in the NFL.

Bledsoe could not hold Moons jockstrap.

Avoid facts if you want a serious debate.

Couldn't agree more by the way.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Add Dan Fouts as another QB as reference point for Drew's Hall admission point


Nice Super Bowl win with Parcells and Dallas and there is no discussion as its then mute.

If "IF" was a fifth then we'd all be drunk.

BTW Fouts was also a better passer than Bledsoe... A lot better? No. But I think both Moon and Fouts and Tarkenton for that matter are all about 5-10% better which in my world keeps Drew out of the HOF.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Remind me that 5 years after he retires to invest in some Kleenex. I have a feeling the stock will rise.

LOL!

True.

I know one Patriot's fan who'll probably be suicidal. ;

 

[THUMPER]

I think we can finally put the 'Bledsoe being a HOF QB' debate to rest after today's announcement of Warren Moon being inducted into the HOF in his FIRST year of eligability. Love him or hate him, Studsoe most certainly is Canton bound with his gaudy resume.

Now here's why...some key Warren Moon facts and figures:

1) 3-7 career playoff records(sub .500)....Bledsoe is already better in wins with 4(or 5 if you count the 01' AFC Championship)

2) ZERO superbowl appearances....again Bledsoe is better, 2 SB's, 1 Ring(even though it came with him riding the pine)

3) Moon the true definition of a journeyman: 5 years in the CFL, Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks and Chief.....Drew has played for Pats, Bills and now Cowboys

4) 49,325 Career Passing Yards (51,061 including rushing)....Drew is already at 43,447 and should surpass Moon's total easily in 07' barring injury.

5) 291 Career Passing TD's (313 Total including rushing)....Drew is at 244 right now and has never been a passing TD machine. He will at the very least match Moon's total. He's 47 away right now.

6) 9 probowls....beats Drew in this category, but we all know the pro bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest and pretty much meaningless stat.....Mike Vick anybody?

7) 6823 Attempts with 3988 Completions....Studsoe is right behind him in both categories with 6548 attempts and 3749 completions as of TODAY.

Moon had a stellar NFL career and is rightfully deserving of this honor. But many doubters and purists thought that not having a superbowl ring would be the reason Moon wouldn't get in.....not only did he get in, he did it on the FIRST try. No matter what anybody says and even though he didn't win it as a starter.....Drew has that elusive ring on his finger.

Also keep in mind right now Drew is 7th on the all time passer list, and he's primed to pass Testeverde and Tarketon next season. Assuming Brett Favre retires this offseason, Bledstudsoe may even end up #2 all time behind Marino.....and yes I believe he has an OUTSIDE chance of catching Marino if he plays well into his late 30's. But honestly who cares about that if he can win a title or two and ride of into the sunset.

So what do you Bledsoe Bashers have to say now? Especially knowing the HOF caters to the QB position more than anything else? Still want to debate Drew's alleged mediorce career? Or would you like to debate whether he goes into the hall as a Patriot, Bill or Cowboy?

OK, try to stay with me on this folks... it is the Hall of FAME people! Don't you get it yet? It is not a Hall of GREATNESS, but a shrine for the most FAMOUS players & coaches of the NFL.

Stats and championships are NOT the main criteria, FAME is. The selectors are the same people who create a player's fame, the media. They will select players and coaches that they liked, who played for teams they liked and will do their best to overlook guys they didn't like or who played for teams they hated.

Moon was much more famous and liked by the media than Bledsoe. Even though Drew has never been in trouble and was well liked in New England he never got the notoriety that Moon did. Moon was the first truly great black QB (I would go with James Harris personally but he didn't have as many great years as Moon). That was enough IMO for him to be a first-ballot inductee.

Also, he was an outstanding QB with incredible talent who put up huge numbers year after year.

The bottom line is that the most popular players will get in if they have any kind of stats to back them up (see Lynn Swann) while some truly great players who weren't as popular are overlooked either because they weren't popular with the media or played for teams the mediots don't like (see the Cowboys).

So stop sweating over whether or not a player DESERVES to be in the Hall of FAME, the only real criteria is whether the mediots like the guy or not, there is no other "formula".

 

[gbrittain]

Add Dan Fouts as another QB as reference point for Drew's Hall admission point


Nice Super Bowl win with Parcells and Dallas and there is no discussion as its then mute.

I would agree if he win a Superbowl, it is a done deal.

 

[Nors]

Moon won 5 freaking Grey cups in the CFL. That of course was taken into consideration. If he was in the NFL instead during those prime years instead, he would be the ALL TIME passing leader in the NFL.

Bledsoe could not hold Moons jockstrap.

Actually only his NFL body of work is considered.


Doug Williams broke all the barriers for Black QB'S in late 70's. ESPN just did a piece now on it. He also won a Super Bowl with Commanders - first for a black QB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I would agree if he win a Superbowl, it is a done deal.

Hey, if Bledsoe wins a SB he should get very serious consideration for the hall. I fully agree. BUT I'm not betting the house that it's going to get done under the Parcells/Bledsoe watch.

I remember a specific person telling me how "special" this season was going to be... well if being out of the playoffs is "special" I guess it was.

BTW I told that "person" that the Cowboys would be 9-7. Not an incredible stroke of brilliance on my part but certainly more accurate than his prognosis.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Actually only his NFL body of work is considered.


Doug Williams broke all the barriers for Black QB'S in late 70's. ESPN just did a piece now on it. He also won a Super Bowl with Commanders - first for a black QB.

But he wasn't that talented... that's the difference.

 

[Hostile]

OK, try to stay with me on this folks... it is the Hall of FAME people! Don't you get it yet? It is not a Hall of GREATNESS, but a shrine for the most FAMOUS players & coaches of the NFL.

Stats and championships are NOT the main criteria, FAME is. The selectors are the same people who create a player's fame, the media. They will select players and coaches that they liked, who played for teams they liked and will do their best to overlook guys they didn't like or who played for teams they hated.

Moon was much more famous and liked by the media than Bledsoe. Even though Drew has never been in trouble and was well liked in New England he never got the notoriety that Moon did. Moon was the first truly great black QB (I would go with James Harris personally but he didn't have as many great years as Moon). That was enough IMO for him to be a first-ballot inductee.

Also, he was an outstanding QB with incredible talent who put up huge numbers year after year.

The bottom line is that the most popular players will get in if they have any kind of stats to back them up (see Lynn Swann) while some truly great players who weren't as popular are overlooked either because they weren't popular with the media or played for teams the mediots don't like (see the Cowboys).

So stop sweating over whether or not a player DESERVES to be in the Hall of FAME, the only real criteria is whether the mediots like the guy or not, there is no other "formula".

Great post. What defines fame more than anything else? Impact.

 

[Nors]

LOL!

True.

I know one Patriot's fan who'll probably be suicidal. ;

Five years from now? Suicidal? No that will be a Cowboy fan in the Sand and a Bills fan at the artic circle lamenting Henson and Losman out of the NFL already!

 

[Hostile]

Five years from now? Suicidal? No that will be a Cowboy fan in the Sand and a Bills fan at the artic circle lamenting Henson and Losman out of the NFL already!

You finally got off another funny one. I wonder if you'll beat this one to death like the other funny one?

Oh and it wasn't 5 years from now, it was 5 years after he retires. You probably didn't realize there's a 5 year wait for the HOF after retirement. It's a football detail.

 

[Nors]

Great post. What defines fame more than anything else? Impact.

Can someone post the NFL Hall of Fame's criteria for induction/selection?


Thanks!

 

[Hostile]

Can someone post the NFL Hall of Fame's criteria for induction/selection?


Thanks!

Can you?

 

[Nors]

You finally got off another funny one. I wonder if you'll beat this one to death like the other funny one?

Oh and it wasn't 5 years from now, it was 5 years after he retires. You probably didn't realize there's a 5 year wait for the HOF after retirement. It's a football detail.

Yeagh, I get that Bledsoe will play at least another 2-3 years. More if healthy still.

5 and out for The fire and ice boys!

 

[Hostile]

Yeagh, I get that Bledsoe will play at least another 2-3 years. More if healthy still.

5 and out for The fire and ice boys!

Hey MW, Nors gave us a tag team name. I think we should return the favor. Any ideas?

 

[Nors]

Can you?

Hos - thanks for clarifying you don't know the criteria.


"Impact" saga was getting old. I'll do the legwork and post the exact criteria.

Gracias

 

[Hostile]

Hos - thanks for clarifying you don't know the criteria.


"Impact" saga was getting old. I'll do the legwork and post the exact criteria.

Gracias

There is no criteria, that was the point. There's not an imaginary line that some stat gets you in. If you understood the gamer of football, it would help.

Raise your hand if you need assistance.

De nada.

 

[iceberg]

I think we can finally put the 'Bledsoe being a HOF QB' debate to rest after today's announcement of Warren Moon being inducted into the HOF in his FIRST year of eligability. Love him or hate him, Studsoe most certainly is Canton bound with his gaudy resume.

Now here's why...some key Warren Moon facts and figures:

1) 3-7 career playoff records(sub .500)....Bledsoe is already better in wins with 4(or 5 if you count the 01' AFC Championship)

2) ZERO superbowl appearances....again Bledsoe is better, 2 SB's, 1 Ring(even though it came with him riding the pine)

3) Moon the true definition of a journeyman: 5 years in the CFL, Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks and Chief.....Drew has played for Pats, Bills and now Cowboys

4) 49,325 Career Passing Yards (51,061 including rushing)....Drew is already at 43,447 and should surpass Moon's total easily in 07' barring injury.

5) 291 Career Passing TD's (313 Total including rushing)....Drew is at 244 right now and has never been a passing TD machine. He will at the very least match Moon's total. He's 47 away right now.

6) 9 probowls....beats Drew in this category, but we all know the pro bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest and pretty much meaningless stat.....Mike Vick anybody?

7) 6823 Attempts with 3988 Completions....Studsoe is right behind him in both categories with 6548 attempts and 3749 completions as of TODAY.

Moon had a stellar NFL career and is rightfully deserving of this honor. But many doubters and purists thought that not having a superbowl ring would be the reason Moon wouldn't get in.....not only did he get in, he did it on the FIRST try. No matter what anybody says and even though he didn't win it as a starter.....Drew has that elusive ring on his finger.

Also keep in mind right now Drew is 7th on the all time passer list, and he's primed to pass Testeverde and Tarketon next season. Assuming Brett Favre retires this offseason, Bledstudsoe may even end up #2 all time behind Marino.....and yes I believe he has an OUTSIDE chance of catching Marino if he plays well into his late 30's. But honestly who cares about that if he can win a title or two and ride of into the sunset.

So what do you Bledsoe Bashers have to say now? Especially knowing the HOF caters to the QB position more than anything else? Still want to debate Drew's alleged mediorce career? Or would you like to debate whether he goes into the hall as a Patriot, Bill or Cowboy?

my god - why do some people insist on pimping bledsoe every chance they get?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hey MW, Nors gave us a tag team name. I think we should return the favor. Any ideas?

LOL!!!

Actually Nors is part of a "gang"... Tunacan, Bledsoe4something... Need a 'cool' group name. Hmm.

I don't know if Nors could ever take being "cool".