Is coaching to blame for the inability to play 60 mins of D?

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This is becoming a habit. Lead well into the 4th quarter, and then a loss.

The Commanders game was in the W column, and it was lost during the last few minutes of the game. The Seattle game too. The Giants game could well have been lost if the Giants had won the OT coin toss.

Are the coaches doing what they should be? Are they making it clear to the players that they have to concentrate on their assignments all 60 minutes and not just the first 56 or 58 minutes?
 

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It is not the Defenses fault period. If we were as aggresive on Offense as we are on Defense, the opposition wouldn't be left with that hope in the fourth quarter. It is really getting tiredsome to watch in the fourth Q we play to keep the lead instead of to crush hope. Call a Spade a Spade.
 

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4lifecowboy said:
It is not the Defenses fault period.



The defense does deserve PART of the blame, whether you like it or not.


Period.
 

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4lifecowboy said:
It is not the Defenses fault period. If we were as aggresive on Offense as we are on Defense, the opposition wouldn't be left with that hope in the fourth quarter. It is really getting tiredsome to watch in the fourth Q we play to keep the lead instead of to crush hope. Call a Spade a Spade.

I disagree. Did the defense play a better game than the offense? Of course. Did they play a part in the loss? Yes they did.

Lets face it the game was a defensive battle, and the Cowboys defense gave it up when they had a chance to shut the door.

I like our defense and think (hope) they will learn to shut the door on teams. Lets not forget about San Diego, Washington and Seattle.

Am I blaming the D for the loss not entirely, but to act as if it is ok to let teams go down and score when the game is on the line is ok since the offense did not perform as they should is bogus in my opinion.
 

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Come on we were inside the twenty twice due to turnovers and came away with 3 points. When we don't capitolize on gimmes like that, that puts pressure on the D to be perfect, they shouldn't have to be. They played beyond good enough for us to win.
 

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4lifecowboy said:
Come on we were inside the twenty twice due to turnovers and came away with 3 points. When we don't capitolize on gimmes like that, that puts pressure on the D to be perfect, they shouldn't have to be. They played beyond good enough for us to win.

I never said they did not play good enough to win, they did. You can not escape the fact that Matt Hasselbeck went right down the field like he was playing a swiss cheese defense when he HAD to.

That may be acceptable to you, to me it is not.
 

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RedskinsOne said:
This is becoming a habit. Lead well into the 4th quarter, and then a loss.

The Commanders game was in the W column, and it was lost during the last few minutes of the game. The Seattle game too. The Giants game could well have been lost if the Giants had won the OT coin toss.

Are the coaches doing what they should be? Are they making it clear to the players that they have to concentrate on their assignments all 60 minutes and not just the first 56 or 58 minutes?


Maaaaan, go to your own board and ask questions. Oops, thats right, its dead thats why you stay on ours.. You luv the "STAR", don't ya?????
 

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RedskinsOne said:
Is coaching to blame for the inability to play 60 mins of D?
You mean the same defense that allowed Filthy to score 3 points, the Gints to score 13 points and the Seabags to score 10 points (defense never made the field for the final 3 points) for a total of 26 points for 3 games isn't good enough for you? I would suggest that scoring a few more points would cure many ills.
 

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The point I'm making is if you give a team hope things like that will happen. This is the NFL and this was the #1 ranked offense coming into the game.
 

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4lifecowboy said:
The point I'm making is if you give a team hope things like that will happen. This is the NFL and this was the #1 ranked offense coming into the game.

I really am not picking on the defense.

Lets put it this way if Dallas say had put up 40 points on the Cardinals yet they were losing by 1 with two minutes to go I would expect the offense to bail out the D and do what they have been doing all day long and at least score a field goal to win the game.

That is how the NFL goes. When the game is on the line...
 

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RedskinsOne said:
This is becoming a habit. Lead well into the 4th quarter, and then a loss.

The Commanders game was in the W column, and it was lost during the last few minutes of the game. The Seattle game too. The Giants game could well have been lost if the Giants had won the OT coin toss.

Are the coaches doing what they should be? Are they making it clear to the players that they have to concentrate on their assignments all 60 minutes and not just the first 56 or 58 minutes?


What's interesting is that the Commanders also won two close games at the last minute (Dallas and Seattle) and lost two close games (Denver and Kansas City) basically in the waning minutes.

Also, the Giants lost a nail-biter (against us) and won one, against Denver.

I think that's the way of the league, especially the NFC East.
 

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gbrittain said:
I really am not picking on the defense.

Lets put it this way if Dallas say had put up 40 points on the Cardinals yet they were losing by 1 with two minutes to go I would expect the offense to bail out the D and do what they have been doing all day long and at least score a field goal to win the game.

That is how the NFL goes. When the game is on the line...

In that scenario I would say the offense did they're part, and the defense didn't perform to the standards they are setting this year.

But i do understand your point, it is a team sport, i was just responding to title of the thread. IMO it's the offense that needs to be "coached up".
 

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RedskinsOne said:
This is becoming a habit. Lead well into the 4th quarter, and then a loss.

The Commanders game was in the W column, and it was lost during the last few minutes of the game. The Seattle game too. The Giants game could well have been lost if the Giants had won the OT coin toss.

Are the coaches doing what they should be? Are they making it clear to the players that they have to concentrate on their assignments all 60 minutes and not just the first 56 or 58 minutes?

The problem is not the 'D', it is Bledsoe. In our three losses, he's missed open receivers that could have won the game or threw an int that gave the game away. He was brought here to improve our qb play and yet his mistakes in crunch time have led to three losses just as Vinny did last year. In the games that Bledsoe has played well in, they were against teams that had bad defenses or in the case of Philly, were in a defensive slump;see the first half of the KC game and in the Dallas game. Philly has now fallen into the bottom half of the NFL defensively, which shows that what Bledsoe did to them, others had done also. In the last two weeks, we've averaged 13 points a game. That doesn't sound like a qb upgrade from what we had last year and the year before to me.
 

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4lifecowboy said:
Come on we were inside the twenty twice due to turnovers and came away with 3 points. When we don't capitolize on gimmes like that, that puts pressure on the D to be perfect, they shouldn't have to be. They played beyond good enough for us to win.

You're absolutely right, the Seahawks tried to give us the game, yet our offense failed us even though Marion Barber and Tyson Thompson had good games. The person who didn't have a good game was Bledsoe. He's the one throwing the ball and making the decisions where to throw it. He's the one holding the ball and getting sacked when he could have checked down to secondary receivers and he's the one who threw the pick to a double-covered Terry Glenn. He basically won the game for the Seahawks.
 

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gbrittain said:
I never said they did not play good enough to win, they did. You can not escape the fact that Matt Hasselbeck went right down the field like he was playing a swiss cheese defense when he HAD to.

That may be acceptable to you, to me it is not.

Our defense held a team that one of the most explosive in the NFL in their own field to 10 points and shutdown an elite RB in Alexander. They can't do everything, Bledsoe has to do his part and play like a first round qb is supposed to.
 

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You mean the same defense that allowed Filthy to score 3 points, the Gints to score 13 points and the Seabags to score 10 points (defense never made the field for the final 3 points) for a total of 26 points for 3 games isn't good enough for you? I would suggest that scoring a few more points would cure many ills.

Exactly.
 

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kartr said:
Our defense held a team that one of the most explosive in the NFL in their own field to 10 points and shutdown an elite RB in Alexander. They can't do everything, Bledsoe has to do his part and play like a first round qb is supposed to.

I agree Bledsoe along with some others on the offensive side had a bad game. Defense did as much as anyone could have expected.
 

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tyke1doe said:
What's interesting is that the Commanders also won two close games at the last minute (Dallas and Seattle) and lost two close games (Denver and Kansas City) basically in the waning minutes.

Also, the Giants lost a nail-biter (against us) and won one, against Denver.

I think that's the way of the league, especially the NFC East.

Of course as we all know, the Skins Denver and KC losses were clearly due to bad officiating.
 

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To win consistently in the NFL a team needs balance. Case and point.....Ind Colts, Baltimore Ravens.

Colts has had the most explosive offense over the past 3 yrs but could never make the big dance because of it's pourous D. It's incredible offense can not compensate it's Defense's inability to stop anyone........

Raven is the exact opposite. They can field a pro bowl team on D but can't score any points (sounds familiar?) with it's incompetent QB and WR...guess what? No playoffs.

Simply put. NFL is too tough of a place to win consistently until you can develop balance on the team.
 
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