Is Cobb an upgrade over Beasley?

[Future]

There aren't 5 players in the league better at beating man coverage out of the slot than Beasley so, no, Cobb isn't an upgrade.

He might allow them to do some different things b/c he's more flexible though.

 

[Kaiser]

Begs the question of why Cobb got 1/3 to 1/4 of the going rate, doesn't it?

Not really, the first guy that signs is always overpaid. The guy who finishes second in the Lottery makes dramatically less. Sammy Watkins got twice as much as Jordy Nelson last year but he isn't twice the WR. Watkins got 9 times as much as Cobb just did, it doesn't make him 9 times better.

I could dig it out, but the Giants overpaying Golden Tate doesn't make him four times the player. They did the same thing with Olivier Vernon and Nate Solder and those were horrible deals also.

 

[Kaiser]

Begs the question of why Cobb got 1/3 to 1/4 of the going rate, doesn't it?

BTW, I wanted to use an Anti-Mickey Spagnola thing and say "If he is so good, why is he underpaid". I couldn't quite come up with it though.

 

[Kaiser]

Tell us about his punt returns over the last four years?

Beasley has 28 punt returns over the last four seasons. If you count his fair catches as zero yards, his average punt return is four inches.

 

[Kaiser]

Just once, I'd love to see Austin come in as the single back, and then motion out to receiver and just fly down the field as fast as he can. I don't even care if he catches the ball or not, just to scare the crap out of a defense and show them
something other than the "same old, same old" we've been running for years.

That would be awesome. You could also put Austin in some kind of slot H Back position with Zeke in the backfield with five guys on the field that can kill you downfield.

 

[Stash]

Not really, the first guy that signs is always overpaid. The guy who finishes second in the Lottery makes dramatically less. Sammy Watkins got twice as much as Jordy Nelson last year but is half the WR. Watkins got 9 times as much as Cobb just did, it doesn't make him 9 times better.

I could dig it out, but the Giants overpaying Golden Tate doesn't make him four times the player. They did the same thing with Olivier Vernon and Nate Solder and those were horrible deals also.

Just wanted to say that I'm happy for your sake that the Cobb deal got done. You were obviously a big fan and proponent and must be happy about the deal. Glad for you and I hope it works out for everyone.

 

[Stash]

That would be awesome. You could also put Austin in some kind of slot H Back position with Zeke in the backfield with five guys on the field that can kill you downfield.

Cobb brings that flexibility of lining up in the backfield as well. The Packers gave people fits using him there as well.

If I could get Duke Johnson or Ty Montgomery with their added flexibility? I could really give defenses something to think about.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What do you guys think?

yes, if healthy....both are good slot WRs, but Cobb maybe able to go outside and has been more effective. it gives the offense and OC more options with the same players on the field and moving them around. he is better in RAC than Beasley.

 

[Stash]

Beasley has 28 punt returns over the last four seasons. If you count his fair catches as zero yards, his average punt return is four inches.

Oh I know, I'm just refuting people claiming that Cobb brings a lot there either. He hasn't done much in returns in four years.

 

[Stash]

yes, if healthy....both are good slot WRs, but Cobb maybe able to go outside and has been more effective. it gives the offense and OC more options with the same players on the field and moving them around. he is better in RAC than Beasley.

He definitely gives you more flexibility. Cobb can line up in the slot, outside, and even in the backfield. If Beasley is on the field, you know where he is and what he's doing.

 

[Kaiser]

Just wanted to say that I'm happy for your sake that the Cobb deal got done. You were obviously a big fan and proponent and must be happy about the deal. Glad for you and I hope it works out for everyone.

Soooo.... you are saying that patience is... a good thing?

 

[Kaiser]

If Beasley is on the field, you know where he is and what he's doing.

Which is a disadvantage to every NFL Coach in the history of mankind...... except Scott Linehan.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Well the market certainly doesn't seem to think so...

Of course it doesn’t. Beasley is much much quicker than Cobb. Beasley gets separation quicker than ANY slot receiver.

 

[Stash]

Soooo.... you are saying that patience is... a good thing?

I guess so, if that's what you're going for?

 

[Kaiser]

If I could get Duke Johnson or Ty Montgomery with their added flexibility? I could really give defenses something to think about.

That is definitely what @AsthmaField has called for since day one.

I still think DT is the second round pick with TE probably the pick in the 3rd. But after that you could definitely take a specialty RB, along with a Safety and project OT.

 

[Stash]

Which is a disadvantage to every NFL Coach in the history of mankind...... except Scott Linehan.

Yep. That guy was as predictable as the sun rising and setting.

But you're talking to a guy who wanted him gone since 2016 if you remember.

 

[conner01]

I say it's a wash

He’s more flexible
Beasley better in short area
Pretty much a wash

 

[Stash]

That is definitely what @AsthmaField has called for since day one.

I still think DT is the second round pick with TE probably the pick in the 3rd. But after that you could definitely take a specialty RB, along with a Safety and project OT.

I think safety has to be up a bit higher, especially if they fail to upgrade in free agency over Heath.

 

[Kaiser]

I guess so, if that's what you're going for?

I'm for having the best possible roster for the 2019 opening game, which means I don't panic in the first week of FA.

 

[Kaiser]

I think safety has to be up a bit higher, especially if they fail to upgrade in free agency over Heath.

I could still see a safety at 58, but I think its pretty much a lock we sign a guy out of Berry or someone like Iloka.

EDIT - I listed Gaethers and the next thing I clicked on was that he had signed with the Colts.