Is Dak Prescott the next Tebow?

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I know exactly what kind of response this thread will get.

And that is fine.

But weeks ago when the Elliott suspension looked real, I pointed out we really did not have a big enough sample size without Elliott to make a determination about Prescott's future prospects. A lot of people got angry.

Now, after three games, we have a sample size. It is basically a quarter of a season.

To me, he looks like he has had the benefit of scripted starts since he came into the league. You just can't go from dangerous to inept with the loss of one player.

I don't care about the Sean Lee and Chaz Green arguments.

Look at the player and what he is doing.

I am pretty concerned. To the point that I believe he can't play without Elliott behind him.

The thing that bothers me at this stage is if it is the player or this staff's inability to adjust his game.

I realize it is next to impossible to do this after preseason, as it is set, but it still bugs me.

All I can say is that this season is over.

And we will be left with this QB question at the end.

I'm not sure if he's good enough w Elliot
 

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Put Dak in a Kubiak type system that emphasizes rollouts he’d be much better. Garrett and Linehan want him to run the 90s timing offense or when they get behind the Romo chuck and pray offense.

Dak is not built for ether. Although he showed signs of being somewhat better in the no huddle shotgun in the 2nd half.
 

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His % was so high today, because every pass he threw was under ten yards ... minus the two to Dez I believe

You mean the well thrown TD, where Dak threw the ball “where Dez needs passes to be thrown” and then Dez dropped it?
 

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I know exactly what kind of response this thread will get.

And that is fine.

But weeks ago when the Elliott suspension looked real, I pointed out we really did not have a big enough sample size without Elliott to make a determination about Prescott's future prospects. A lot of people got angry.

Now, after three games, we have a sample size. It is basically a quarter of a season.

To me, he looks like he has had the benefit of scripted starts since he came into the league. You just can't go from dangerous to inept with the loss of one player.

I don't care about the Sean Lee and Chaz Green arguments.

Look at the player and what he is doing.

I am pretty concerned. To the point that I believe he can't play without Elliott behind him.

The thing that bothers me at this stage is if it is the player or this staff's inability to adjust his game.

I realize it is next to impossible to do this after preseason, as it is set, but it still bugs me.

All I can say is that this season is over.

And we will be left with this QB question at the end.
LOL 3 games or "basically a quarter of a season" is a big enough sample size? Of what?

I'm not a Dak apologist but that's just a ridiculous statement.
 

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I'm not worried about Dak. That you played the Tebow and Griffin cards to make your point speaks volumes. At no point did either of them play like Dak.

Defenses are playing the Cowboys much differently without Zeke. Have you seen any adjustment from our coaching staff, or are they just doing what they do in spite of it? They're putting the QB in a bad situation and it shows.
Jerry will turn over the entire coaching staff 10 times before he considers firing Garrett
 

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It’s no secret most QBs play better when there is a great running game behind them. It’s basic football. You take away the Cowboys best offensive threat that Garrett-top’s offense is built around and don’t expect the offense to struggle? The Clapper runs a very conservative, run centric offense. And you take away his most important player. One thing that would help this style of offense is an athletic TE that can force a safety out and stretch the middle a little bit.
 

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His % was so high today, because every pass he threw was under ten yards ... minus the two to Dez I believe
To remind everyone, we're days removed from people pitching hissy fits that the coaching staff didn't adjust to the o-line being banged up and unable to provide a clean pocket for more than a split second. So then we play a game with a bunch of shorter passes to get the ball out of his hands quickly, and people now pitch hissy fits because he didn't take 7-step drops and throw slow-developing deep routes.

Gotcha.
 

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Tebow was inaccurate and his weird throwing motion was a big part of that. Dak is inaccurate but his throwing motion doesn't seem bad. If we actually ran that Tebow offense in Denver, Dak would probably be pretty good. There IS a place for that type of offense in the NFL...just look at Seattle and Houston (with Watson).

Instead, they want Dak to helm this outdated Air Coryell offense
 

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So when do we talk again. Two more games?

Will you suddenly proclaim victory when Elliott returns?

I am suggesting the possibility that yes, he might be Tim Tebow.
And honestly, until he wins a game without Elliott, there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

What? So if Dak throws 5 TDs and scores 40+ points yet we lose because of the defense, you'd still think Dak is Tebow?
 

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He could have bounced back after Atlanta.

Didn't.

Philadelphia.

Didn't.

Now?

All I can say is that it is frustrating.

I am not going to blast the second year player because he can't live up to his amazing production to this point.

I just want to know what the hell is going on.

And if it all boils down to Ezekiel Elliott, we need a new QB.

I really don't think it's Zeke per se. Dak has played better than now even when Zeke wasn't having a great day. I think it's that Zeke is only offensive player that defenses fear. He is the only explosive player we have on offense.

Even when he isn't running well, what Zeke does though is, he changes how the defense plays us. That helps the WRs get open.

In this crappy scheme, you need top shelf talent. We don't have anyone on offense beside Zeke.
 

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I really don't think it's Zeke per se. Dak has played better than now even when Zeke wasn't having a great day. I think it's that Zeke is only offensive player that defenses fear. He is the only explosive player we have on offense.

Even when he isn't running well, what Zeke does though is, he changes how the defense plays us. That helps the WRs get open.

In this crappy scheme, you need top shelf talent. We don't have anyone on offense beside Zeke.

It is crazy how we can’t seem to break anything. Our receivers can’t break tackles!

We don’t run any type of misdirection like the eagles, who blew the game open when Celek was wide open on a misdirection play.

It honestly seems like we have 5 pass plays in our play book. I see very little motion and creativity.

Oh and we are incredibly slow, and it doesn’t help that we roll out there with three tightends every other play like this was the 1950’s!!
 

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He’s not seeing the field. That’s obvious. He’s overly cautious and not throwing until he knows some one is open, instead of throwing them open. Which is a problem for two reasons: our receivers don’t get wide open and the pass rush is destroying our line

He’s had way more good games than bad in his young career. So he deserves a little leeway

I’d love to see him with a different coach. Cause it looks like he’s going into a weeden\cassel like shell.
 

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Tim Tebow.

Robert Griffin.

The precedent is there.
Posted this several times prior to the season and was roasted. I just have never seen "it" with this kid and it includes last year. He lived off of the run game and two safeties in the box all year. He's a decent QB with some leadership qualities but he is not the new Wilson. The kid doesn't have what "it" takes to put a team on his back. It's not a knock it's just reality.
 

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Ok but the fact that they have done both doesn't negate the inadequacy of our coaching staff. And you don't need to see the W's and L's to know what a good and bad coaching staff is. Players and coaches can overcome for a time, but time does have to make way for reason
Honestly are y'all on some emotional stuff when reading or what? Who said it negates the inadequacy of the coaching? Its just annoying to hear people give one side all/majority of the praise when winning with none of the blame when losing and vice versa. I say that as someone who won't be crying about a coaching staff change.
 

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To remind everyone, we're days removed from people pitching hissy fits that the coaching staff didn't adjust to the o-line being banged up and unable to provide a clean pocket for more than a split second. So then we play a game with a bunch of shorter passes to get the ball out of his hands quickly, and people now pitch hissy fits because he didn't take 7-step drops and throw slow-developing deep routes.

Gotcha.
If these aren't the same people doing what you said you have no point
 

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I sure as hell hope this is a slump, because if we don't have a qb, then I am frightened to think what our future looks like.
 

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Honestly are y'all on some emotional stuff when reading or what? Who said it negates the inadequacy of the coaching? Its just annoying to hear people give one side all/majority of the praise when winning with none of the blame when losing and vice versa. I say that as someone who won't be crying about a coaching staff change.
not to make argument, but are you sure it is ONLY everyone else on "some emotional stuff" when reading posts?

as far as blame goes, I think I was clear, this team can win some games despite our poor coaching and they have just like I am sure they lost some despite the coaching. All I am saying, and you sound like you are in agreement, is that we need a coaching change and that means across the board change. Get a good coach and let him bring in his own entire staff. We have a lot of positives in talent/abilities to build on, but until we get a coaching staff who can get the most out of this team in playing abilities, preparation, and adjustments to game situations; we are just gonna continue on this rollercoaster ride we been seeing for WAY too long.
 
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