Is Drew Suffering from Vinnitestervitis?

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Over the last couple of games it seems that Drew has been off the mark on several throws. Is it possible that Drew's arm is starting to wear down as the season progresses ala VT last year? Drew is no spring chicken his accuracy does not seem to be the same as it was in the first half of the season. Since I haven't been able to watch the last few games I can only go by what I read/hear. Your thoughts?
 

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theblackbear says so :lmao2:

With Drew 7-3

Last year at this point with Vinny. 3-7

I would say

NO
 

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Less decent protection, I'd say no. Vinny's arm is no comparison to Bledsoe. He doesn't even have to be set to gun it.
 

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kojak_DD said:
20-7 WIN

7-3 NFC east.

Says it better.....

Defense and Marion Barber say it best. Bledsoe had very little to do with the win today.
 

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Bledsoe has been having the best season of his career thus far. I think falling off of that pace for a couple of games is a far cry from what we saw from Testaverde last year.

Also, what do the last 4 games have in common? Outside of the AZ game, Drew has had to deal with more pressure than in the previous 6 games. So he's missed a couple of open guys. Not by much, but sure, he's missed them. Particularly, he's missed Witten at least once in each of the past 2 games. It didn't matter today, because we scored on that first drive anyway. It cost us a 1st down in Philly.

But he had almost no running game vs. Philly, and he still completed 70% of his passes, threw a TD, had that 58-yarder to set up another score, and one extremely boneheaded play. The Cowboys did have a running game today, they came up with 26 1st downs, converted on 6 out of 12 3rd downs, controlled the ball for 36 minutes, and won going away.

Through 10 games, the man has 2300 yards, 14 TD, 7 INTs, a 65% completion rate, and about a 95 QBR. What's not to like?
 

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Asklesko said:
Defense and Marion Barber say it best. Bledsoe had very little to do with the win today.

Thats bascially my point. We are winning by other means. Good teams find ways to win. One bad game from Bledsoe doesn't define a season.
 

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I will say that Drew drops back slower than cold syrup. Not to mention his delivery is slow as well. Add in the fact that he has to tap the ball on the azz before he throws it and if he senses any smell of pressure he proceeds to do the Bledsoe version of River Dance in the pocket getting happy feet and throwing erratically.

Other than these few things, he's doing just fine.
 

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kojak_DD said:
Thats bascially my point. We are winning by other means. Good teams find ways to win. One bad game from Bledsoe doesn't define a season.

We may be winning by other means but that wasn't his point. His point was Bledsoe hasn't played as well the last few games and he's right.

Irrespective of the how the rest of the team has played, Bledsoe has come back to earth a little.
 

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His protection is worse and he is getting more pressure. Some people just are not smart enough to realize that that would affect ANY QB.
 

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Sarge said:
We may be winning by other means but that wasn't his point. His point was Bledsoe hasn't played as well the last few games and he's right.

Irrespective of the how the rest of the team has played, Bledsoe has come back to earth a little.

yeah, pathetic pass protection will tend to do that for QB's

David
 

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I wasn't really questioning how Drew was playing, as much as I was questioning whether it appears that hisarm is starting to get tired and he isn't able to get the same velocity and accuracy that he had at the beginning of the year. It was evident with VT last year when towards the end of the season he was unable to make certain passes.
 

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Sarge said:
We may be winning by other means but that wasn't his point. His point was Bledsoe hasn't played as well the last few games and he's right.

Irrespective of the how the rest of the team has played, Bledsoe has come back to earth a little.

It's that simple. In addition, I can't see us with him 2 years into the future like some can. He will only get slower and less mobile over time (can he?).

One truly disappointing part of his game is the fact that he gets antsy in the pocket when he knows defenses are getting close to him. Pressure is a part of every QB's life but how Drew responds to pressure makes me very nervous.

Then again, if Drew is given TIME he will make the big throws as he's shown this year already. However, it's when he isn't in the most comfortable situations that he starts to look antsy. There is no such thing as salvaging a play or buying more time when it comes to Drew so a lot of things have to be working in order for him to be effective.

I say next year is his last as a serious starter by default. If we do our homework and have a real young prospect in at QB by the end of the 2006 season, we will be in good shape.
 

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burmafrd said:
His protection is worse and he is getting more pressure. Some people just are not smart enough to realize that that would affect ANY QB.

You said it for me!! Thank you!
 

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The poor line play excuse is just that, an excuse. There are hundreds of ex-qbs selling cars or insurance who'd look like all pros if they weren't rushed. Knowing how to deal with the rush is what separates quarterbacks from those guys though.

I'll give Bledsoe a pass on this game though because of the reports of being knocked loopy.

It is an indication on where Parcells feels Romo and Henson are if they left Bledsoe in groggy knowing there was another, bigger game in four days.
 

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1) They are concentrating their rush up the middle to keep him from getting set and stepping up into the pocket.

That's when he's the best.

:eek::

This is nothing new for defenses going against Drew over the years and it's how they have effectively defensed him.

2) Defenses are removing the quick release routes where Drew gets his 1st reads..

..they are rolling coverage to Witten and Key to stop the quick passes to the TE and flanker slants.

This makes Drew hold the ball longer as he goes thru his reads and result in allowing the defense to attack the pocket.

:confused:

Those passes were working earlier in the year as our OL was playing better at pass protection and had less injuries, etc. and we had a healthy Julius Jones the defense had to respect out of the backfield.

Now..remove the healthy OL with Flo's injury, remove a healthy Julius Jones and dial in the defense doing everything it can to rush the middle and cover like crazy the short and intermediate passing routes and..

..that's why it's gotten to make Bledsoe look less effective.

This is the chessmatch we have been forced to play.

Al Johnson is not the best center in the NFl and he's got limits which have been documented. I don't think Dallas is as high on him as they would publically say, but b/w him and Guerode, he's the better answer.

The center controls the pass rush from the middle and he's just not dominating there. Fortunately, he's got LA and Rivera there next to him, but those two guys are helping out with the new OT's we have who are struggling.

So the center is the key here. If play doesn't improve from Johnson, I suspect Guerode might get his chances to play center in December.

Also, with the concentration of the passing defense on the short routes, because we lack speed at the WR positions, other than Terry Glenn..the defenses can choose to double cover him and take him away from Bledsoe on his progression reads and that makes it very hard for Bledsoe.

Add to this, we are often keeping our backs in to help with the defensive pressure, then the defense doesn't have to worry about that and it only adds to them using their LBers to either blitz or drop into short coverages to clog the short passing lanes.

This is Bledsoe's problem. But it's not strictly his problem. It's the whole offensive problem..not just him.

It's the whole way things have evolved over the last 3-4 games for us.

Teams have gotten lot's of film on us. They have seen Al Johnson can be overpowered in the middle and that the G's are helping the outside T's with their assignments in the passing game.

So an defensive coordinator would see that the middle is the place to go and the quickest route to upsetting Bledsoe's timing and stepping up into the pocket and causing indecision from the QB.

Drew isn't mobile, so that makes it even easier to play him.

We all knew this the day they signed him.

Troy Aikman had the same problems his last year's in Dallas. They would zone-blitz the heck out of the center of the line and he'd get beaten up with the rush or his accurracy faded as his progressions broke down.

Once Mark Stepnoski left the team as center, Aikman steadily regressed as did the offense.

Now, how do we change that..?

I suspect what they will have to start to do is to start rolling Bledsoe out of the pocket some on quick flare passes and move it some left and some right and keep the defense guessing where the passing attack pocket is going to setup.

This will put pressure on the OT's to contain their man to make this work, but it can be done. Also using the screen pass more with a healthy Julius Jones should get some good plays, too...with the defense trying to clog the middle so much.

Also, if the running game returns to form as it did vs. Detroit, then that goes a long way to opening up the quick slants and other weapons such as RB's out of the backfield downfield in pass patterns and playaction for Drew to have more time to throw.

I think Sean PAyton is going to have to recognize this and is going to need to recreate some matchups with what weapons we have to shake up defenses and help the offense out of this and shift things again to where we are dictating matchups more..as we were in the early season.

The return of Crayton would help alot, but failing that, getting Peerless Price on the field more in 3 WR sets to spread out the defense more on early downs instead of 2nd and 3rd and long would be a quick solution.

Being willing to move the backs out of the backfield on quick swing passes to force the Lbers to cover and not just sit on the inside passing routes and/or blitz from everywhere would also force the defense to man-up and take them out of their defensive plans.

Moving Witten back outside to WR as we did early in the season at times caused huge mis-matches that worked well and should work again if called at opportune times.

And lastly, we have to throw some more deep balls regardless if they are successful or not. The defense has to be forced to cover the entire field, not just a third of it like they are doing right now. Price with his speed, Glenn with his and also I'd get Thompson motioned out of the backfield and running routes down the sidelines to atleast take a safety or LBer with him to get more one-on-one matchups for Witten and Glenn downfield.

We have the weapons.

Bledsoe knows how to use them. But we have to be willing to change a few things and dictate the playcalling more than just trying to run the ball 30+ snaps a game.

Denver's defense is said to be smallish upfront. So I'm assuming that we want them to see the film of the Lions and get ready to stop the run on Thursday.

But what I'm hoping for, is that we use the pass to setup the run and keep Denver off-balance with passes on 1st down and 2nd down and try to run for short yardage on 3rd downs instead of the reverse we've been doing.

:clubbed:

The chessmatch goes on.

We'll see.
 

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You can't expect a FA QB to come to a developing team like this and throw for 300 yards every week. Bledsoe was a little off against the Lions but it's not his arm wearing down at all. It's more of a case of them never getting into much of a rhythm, largely in part to the Lions jumping offsides every other play or getting pressure when they weren't offsides.
 
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