Is it too early to discuss Murray for NFL MVP?

[mldardy]

If you say so! He doesn't have much choice who they play. I think he's the best player in the NFL.

I know that but you aren't or shouldn't win MVP for racking up numbers against two of the worst teams in the NFL and also while playing on a team that won't make the playoffs.
I think he's the best defensive player in the league but definitely not the best player overall in football.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I know that but you aren't or shouldn't win MVP for racking up numbers against two of the worst teams in the NFL and also while playing on a team that won't make the playoffs.
I think he's the best defensive player in the league but definitely not the best player overall in football.

I think he is. I think he deserves it. I also think Rodgers will win it. i don't think a team's record should even figure into the discussion.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I was thinking the same thing because his numbers are absolutely insane. Almost an 11:1 TD:INT ratio and a QBR of 118.

But, Adrian Peterson beat out Rodgers in 2012 and Rosgers had a hell of a season that year as well. 39 TDs, 8 INTs, and 108 QBR.

Actually he beat out Manning (they were the only two players to receive votes) with a lot of Manning's candidacy coming from his team's 13-3 record. Which should point out that a big component of the MVP race has yet to play out. If Murray goes bananas these next 3 weeks and we go 12-4 and get a bye, why not Murray?

On the flip side, the Vikings didn't even win their own division but the narrative of Peterson carrying the Vikings was so strong it didn't matter. Does Murray have that or can he get it?

 

[tyke1doe]

Because you could make an argument that Murray is the 3rd most valuable guy on the Cowboys behind Romo and Dez.

I personally would NOT make that argument, however, it's not an insane argument either...

But the MVP is given annually, which means it's based on the annual contribution of a player.
Romo is more valuable to the team. No question. But Murray's season and what he is doing for the Cowboys makes him more valuable. Romo is the better player, but Murray is the better contributor. He makes Romo better. And if he gets 2,000 yards and gets the Cowboys into the playoffs, I'd say he should be the run-away MVP. Aaron Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers. I don't see what he's doing anything more difficultly than what he does every year. And I don't see his season being better than Murray's. That's why Murray has to be the MVP.
He'll likely get either MVP or Offensive Player of the Year.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think he is. I think he deserves it. I also think Rodgers will win it. i don't think a team's record should even figure into the discussion.

Team record has to factor into it somehow. How valuable are you to your team if your team isn't winning?

 

[tyke1doe]

How is Rodgers the far superior player. He is not. Murray is having an incredible year and just as good as Rodgers. Rodgers isn't setting records for yards or TD passes. He's having a MVP type year but nothing out of the ordinary for a QB. Without Murray running the ball the way he has there is no way we have 9 wins depending Romo to throw the ball 35-40 times a game.

I think this is a very compelling argument. Rodgers is good, no doubt. I think he's a better player than Murray. But he isn't putting up the numbers at his respective position as Murray is at his position.
The MVP is an annual event, which means it's awarded based on what a player does for his team the year of the voting.
Murray is on pace to have the same type of year Peyton Manning had two years ago (or was it last year?) with the Broncos when he broke the record for most passing touchdowns in a single season.
Rodgers, as you said, isn't have an extraordinary year as a quarterback, even though he's the best at his craft this year.

 

[cowboys2233]

If he gets 2,000 yards and the Cowboys make the playoffs, I don't see how they can't give it to him.

Because they will give it to Rodgers. Deservedly so. And yes, Risen Star is absolutely right, Romo is the MVP of this team, no question about it.

 

[Hoofbite]

Actually he beat out Manning (they were the only two players to receive votes) with a lot of Manning's candidacy coming from his team's 13-3 record. Which should point out that a big component of the MVP race has yet to play out. If Murray goes bananas these next 3 weeks and we go 12-4 and get a bye, why not Murray?

On the flip side, the Vikings didn't even win their own division but the narrative of Peterson carrying the Vikings was so strong it didn't matter. Does Murray have that or can he get it?

Who he actually beat aside, Rodgers didn't get it even with a year comparable to this year.

I think Murray has the recognition. If he doesn't, he'll certainly get it if he plays well and Dallas beats Philly and Indy.

 

[LucaBrasi]

Murray has had a great season, but he's not the MVP of his own team. That would be Tony Romo.

As far as RB, Le'veon Bell might be having a more impressive season than Murray. It's close for sure.

 

[cowboys2233]

I think this is a very compelling argument. Rodgers is good, no doubt. I think he's a better player than Murray. But he isn't putting up the numbers at his respective position as Murray is at his position.
The MVP is an annual event, which means it's awarded based on what a player does for his team the year of the voting.
Murray is on pace to have the same type of year Peyton Manning had two years ago (or was it last year?) with the Broncos when he broke the record for most passing touchdowns in a single season.
Rodgers, as you said, isn't have an extraordinary year as a quarterback, even though he's the best at his craft this year.

Um, what? Rodgers hasn't thrown a single interception at home this year. Not a single one. If that's not extraordinary, I don't know what is.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

for me... yes... unfinished business...
mvp will put us on his back even more.....
we need to get in the tournament

but others can discuss all they want obviously....

 

[mldardy]

Because they will give it to Rodgers. Deservedly so. And yes, Risen Star is absolutely right, Romo is the MVP of this team, no question about it.

Murray is just as much the MVP. Risen Star isn't right and he makes blanket statements and when someone challenges him on it he never comes back to back his statements up. Give a break with this Risen Star is right crap.

 

[tyke1doe]

Because they will give it to Rodgers. Deservedly so. And yes, Risen Star is absolutely right, Romo is the MVP of this team, no question about it.

But the MVP isn't solely based on who is most important to your team, but whose contribution has been most valuable for your team. Without Murray's running, Romo is pressing again and throwing interceptions, and everyone is talking about how he's the incarnation of Murphy's Law.
Make no mistake, Romo is more important to these team than Murray is. But based on this season, Murray's contribution is greater than Romo's. Remember, the Cowboys could have beaten the Cardinals had they had a competent backup quarterback. I think the Cowboys could have beaten the Commanders if we had just stuck with the running game.
I think Murray's contributions are worthy of an MVP.

 

[mldardy]

Um, what? Rodgers hasn't thrown a single interception at home this year. Not a single one. If that's not extraordinary, I don't know what is.

Extraordinary year meaning he's not going to throw for 50+ TD passes or 5000 yards or have some astronomical numbers. In this era of QB/passing padding stats Manning, Brady, Brees, hell Nick Foles only had 2 INTs have had years better than what Rodgers is having this year. And no I'm not saying Rodgers hasn't been very good he has but his numbers don't stand out that much to make him head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

[tyke1doe]

Um, what? Rodgers hasn't thrown a single interception at home this year. Not a single one. If that's not extraordinary, I don't know what is.

Why did you qualify at home? Does the league now differentiate interceptions at home vs. interceptions on the road?

Even so, we don't celebrate quarterbacks who never throw interceptions, although that bares mention. We celebrate quarterbacks who throw for the most yardage and throw for the most touchdowns.
Similarly, we celebrate running backs who run for the most yardage and score the most touchdowns.

Again, if the Cowboys (whom few outside of homers gave a chance to make the playoffs much more win the division) make the playoffs and Murray runs for more than 2,000 yards (which will put him in a rare class), if a player other than he gets the MVP, it will be a crime.

 

[cowboys2233]

Extraordinary year meaning he's not going to throw for 50+ TD passes or 5000 yards or have some astronomical numbers. In this era of QB/passing padding stats Manning, Brady, Brees, hell Nick Foles only had 2 INTs have had years better than what Rodgers is having this year. And no I'm not saying Rodgers hasn't been very good he has but his numbers don't stand out that much to make him head and shoulders above everyone else.

He has a QB rating a full ten points higher than the 2nd place guy, a guy named Tony Romo. And much of that has to do with his ridiculous TD-int ratio. 32 touchdowns to only 3 ints is...insane.

 

[cowboys2233]

Why did you qualify at home? Does the league now differentiate interceptions at home vs. interceptions on the road?

Even so, we don't celebrate quarterbacks who never throw interceptions, although that bares mention. We celebrate quarterbacks who throw for the most yardage and throw for the most touchdowns.
Similarly, we celebrate running backs who run for the most yardage and score the most touchdowns.

Again, if the Cowboys (whom few outside of homers gave a chance to make the playoffs much more win the division) make the playoffs and Murray runs for more than 2,000 yards (which will put him in a rare class), if a player other than he gets the MVP, it will be a crime.

No, they don't count differently. But it's a pretty impressive bullet point, he hasn't thrown a single interception in home games this year. Why exactly aren't you recognizing how great of an accomplishment that is, this late in the year? And a great talking point when the voters are debating.

 

[cowboys2233]

Why did you qualify at home? Does the league now differentiate interceptions at home vs. interceptions on the road?

Even so, we don't celebrate quarterbacks who never throw interceptions, although that bares mention. We celebrate quarterbacks who throw for the most yardage and throw for the most touchdowns.
Similarly, we celebrate running backs who run for the most yardage and score the most touchdowns.

Again, if the Cowboys (whom few outside of homers gave a chance to make the playoffs much more win the division) make the playoffs and Murray runs for more than 2,000 yards (which will put him in a rare class), if a player other than he gets the MVP, it will be a crime.

Who is this "we" you're referring to? I place a tremendous amount of emphasis on QB rating because it takes both production and efficiency into account. It almost sounds like your primary basis for awarding Murray the MVP is based on ignorance. Good logic.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

He has a QB rating a full ten points higher than the 2nd place guy, a guy named Tony Romo. And much of that has to do with his ridiculous TD-int ratio. 32 touchdowns to only 3 ints is...insane.

That is crazy good.

 

[perrykemp]

Um, what? Rodgers hasn't thrown a single interception at home this year. Not a single one. If that's not extraordinary, I don't know what is.

<IF> Rodgers gets the MVP it will be based on his 10-1 TD-INT ratio. The rest of his numbers are nice, but not otherworldly.