Is Michael Vick going to be released tomorrow?

[Mansta54]

Which is why he went to prison and lost more money than any of us could imagine.

Thank you!!! Dude did his time for the dog deal.. Geez!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are certain things you can serve your time for but leave a bad feeling in people's guts.

Whether you condone dog fighting or not (which I know you don't) you have to understand that a large percentile of people have pets. And they look at their pets like family members.

To me saying "he served his time" just doesn't quite do it for me. If a guy does the time for robbery. I'm not going to trust him around my personal belongings. Are you? I mean I know he served the time, but that doesn't mean he has changed. Just b/c he says the right things, are you going to trust him alone in your house? I doubt it.

I feel that is how a lot of people see criminals. Your a criminal even after you "paid your dues". A pedophile isn't cured by going to jail. They have something wrong in their heads. Same with murderers, and to a lesser extent dog fighting. You have to have an issue to take pleasure in forcing other creatures to fight or be killed, and then still kill them most likely even if they do well.

I am sure you understand where I'm coming from. I know he isn't a pedophile/murderer/robber. I was just using those as similar examples that people will tend to forgive but not forget.

People that put dogfighting in the same realm as rape and murder make me laugh.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Of course it does for that crime.. How many times does he have to be punished for that crime. He cleaned his slate with time served..

He started off with a clean slate. He tarnished it with bankrolling an interstate dog fighting/gambling ring.

He didn't clean any slate with time served. He paid the debt the judicial system gave him for committing the crime. The slate, being erased, still carries the ghost writing of the actions that landed him in jail in the first place.

Fair or not, he's still a convicted criminal. He bears that baggage until he takes the grave same as any other convicted criminal.

 

[Mansta54]

There are certain things you can serve your time for but leave a bad feeling in people's guts.

Whether you condone dog fighting or not (which I know you don't) you have to understand that a large percentile of people have pets. And they look at their pets like family members.

To me saying "he served his time" just doesn't quite do it for me. If a guy does the time for robbery. I'm not going to trust him around my personal belongings. Are you? I mean I know he served the time, but that doesn't mean he has changed. Just b/c he says the right things, are you going to trust him alone in your house? I doubt it.

I feel that is how a lot of people see criminals. Your a criminal even after you "paid your dues". A pedophile isn't cured by going to jail. They have something wrong in their heads. Same with murderers, and to a lesser extent dog fighting. You have to have an issue to take pleasure in forcing other creatures to fight or be killed, and then still kill them most likely even if they do well.

I am sure you understand where I'm coming from. I know he isn't a pedophile/murderer/robber. I was just using those as similar examples that people will tend to forgive but not forget.

I hear you and feel your passion but I strongly disagree with you. He has served his time and lost tons of loot and has had his life turned upside down. Again, he did his time for that crime. For you to want more, then maybe, just maybe you should look at yourself and ask whats wrong with me. Just sayin man, you can't keep punishing the man when he's been punished already...

 

[ajk23az]

Thank you!!! Dude did his time for the dog deal.. Geez!!!

Doesn't make him any less scum though. No need to wish other punishment on him but you can't act like it never happened.

 

[Mansta54]

He started off with a clean slate. He tarnished it with bankrolling an interstate dog fighting/gambling ring.

He didn't clean any slate with time served. He paid the debt the judicial system gave him for committing the crime. The slate, being erased, still carries the ghost writing of the actions that landed him in jail in the first place.

Fair or not, he's still a convicted criminal. He bears that baggage until he takes the grave same as any other convicted criminal.

This says it all. The rest is your personal problem with Vick..

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I agree and he served his time.. Right?

If someone goes and holds human fights to the death, and drowns them for entertainment along with other disgusting things, and gets a year and prison and comes out and gets $6 million dollars, do they serve his time?

 

[Muhast]

People that put dogfighting in the same realm as rape and murder make me laugh.

People who don't realize Murder can apply to animals as well make me laugh. Pick up a dictionary

I didn't say he was like those people. I used those type of people as examples that you may serve your time but that doesn't make it any easier for people to stomach.

If your work hired a former rapist or murderer you wouldn't feel at ease about it. Don't lie to yourself. If your work hired someone who killed animals for fun you probably would immediately think the guy was weird before even knowing him. Would you not? You can't honestly tell me that wouldn't seem "off" to you.

 

[Mansta54]

Doesn't make him any less scum though. No need to wish other punishment on him but you can't act like it never happened.

This is your opinion and you're certainly entitled...

 

[Mansta54]

If someone goes and holds human fights to the death, and drowns them for entertainment along with other disgusting things, and gets a year and prison and comes out and gets $6 million dollars, do they serve his time?

Sorry dude but thats a real dumb analogy.. For killing humans you're not serving 1yr.. You've gotta do better then that.. C'mon man!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If someone goes and holds human fights to the death, and drowns them for entertainment along with other disgusting things, and gets a year and prison and comes out and gets $6 million dollars, do they serve his time?

If Galactor the Supreme, ruler of the known universe, creates a massive battle armada to compete with Recyclops the Overlord's space blob which destroys several human colonies on the planet Zagrax and is not punished then should he not instead be forced to spend time ether chained on the prison planet, Genji Minor?

 

[ajk23az]

This is your opinion and you're certainly entitled...

So what your saying, if ANYONE serves their jail time for ANY crime they committed, their slate is clean?

 

[Mansta54]

If Galactor the Supreme, ruler of the known universe, creates a massive battle armada to compete with Recyclops the Overlord's space blob which destroys several human colonies on the planet Zagrax and is not punished then should he not instead be forced to spend time ether chained on the prison planet, Genji Minor?

Exactly!!!

 

[Muhast]

I hear you and feel your passion but I strongly disagree with you. He has served his time and lost tons of loot and has had his life turned upside down. Again, he did his time for that crime. For you to want more, then maybe, just maybe you should look at yourself and ask whats wrong with me. Just sayin man, you can't keep punishing the man when he's been punished already...

Yet people wanted T.O to lose his job for less reason than I want Vick to. They hated him for talking to much and standing on the star and disrespecting the game. Is that anymore justifiable than my stance?

Vick gave a lady herpes and didnt tell her. Had to settle in court. Flicked off his own teams fans after a loss. Had multiple marijuana run ins. Goes to jail and STILL doesn't learn to stay away from trouble. I'm sorry for not having sympathy for him. I hate when people have a gift and blow it.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Sorry dude but thats a real dumb analogy.. For killing humans you're not serving 1yr.. You've gotta do better then that.. C'mon man!!!

My point being is you shouldn't get 1 year for killing animals, along with even if it was 20 years he still doesnt completely serve the crime. Hundreds of lifes were lost to gain money and for fun, its freakin' disgusting.

 

[Mansta54]

So what your saying, if ANYONE serves their jail time for ANY crime they committed, their slate is clean?

Why wouldn't it be?

 

[ajk23az]

Why wouldn't it be?

By your definition, is wiping the slate clean acting like it never happened?

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This says it all. The rest is your personal problem with Vick..

No, it's a pragmatic view of society. I have zero problem with the guy.

If the judicial system's actions were that cut and dry with regard to public reputation no one would have ever coined the phrase "the court of public opinion". Like I said, wrong or not, he's going to be judged for it for a very long time.

In a perfect world, the public perception of him would be that he has paid his debt.

This thread alone proves that we do not live is such a sterile environment. You may champion the cause as vociferously as humanly possible, but the fact of the matter will not change that his actions left a deep mark on those who followed the events leading to his incarceration.

 

[Mansta54]

Yet people wanted T.O to lose his job for less reason than I want Vick to. They hated him for talking to much and standing on the star and disrespecting the game. Is that anymore justifiable than my stance?

Vick gave a lady herpes and didnt tell her. Had to settle in court. Flicked off his own teams fans after a loss. Had multiple marijuana run ins. Goes to jail and STILL doesn't learn to stay away from trouble. I'm sorry for not having sympathy for him. I hate when people have a gift and blow it.

I hear all of that but thats NOT what I was talking about. My point was that VIck served his for the crime he did...

 

[Signals]

I agree and he served his time.. Right?

Wrong! He was/is serving his time. He's on parole.. Remember?