Is Michael Vick going to be released tomorrow?

[dcfanatic]

I just don't understand the want to hate on people you do not even know and are in no way effected by.

Is this the reason you think Adolf Hitler wasn't such a bad guy?

 

[Hoofbite]

Is this the reason you think Adolf Hitler wasn't such a bad guy?

**** it.

This thread is a mess. Don't want in.

 

[Solution]

Animal cruelty is unacceptable.

Apparently, so are second chances.

 

[silverbear]

Ahh, I believe he served his time for that....

I wonder, how would you react if a paroled pedophile moved in next door to you?? I mean, he served his time, right??

Speaking strictly for myself, anybody who abuses animals for fun and profit is a lowlife piece of garbage, and that doesn't change just because he got caught and thrown in jail...

I will never have a kind word for Michael Vick, he'll always be a serial animal abuser in my eyes...

You've got a big heart, buddy, but you shouldn't waste your time sticking up for Vick...

 

[silverbear]

I hear all of that but thats NOT what I was talking about. My point was that VIck served his for the crime he did...

Which is why he's not in prison any more... but if you're suggesting we should all FORGIVE him for what he did, well, I'm not interested in climbing on that bandwagon...

 

[silverbear]

And it goes beyond that. People are talking about what he did as being inhumane

Not "inhumane", I think the word you should be employing here is "sadistic"...

Killing dogs for fun is sadistic... Vick is a sadist...

 

[silverbear]

No I don't think Vick is scum

Man, I'm trying real hard to understand your argument here...

Yes, Vick served his time; does that REALLY mean that all is forgiven, and we'll all just forget about the past?? Does that magically wash away all the sick, sadistic things he did??

Think of it this way-- scholars who have studied serial killers have come to the conclusion that most of them started out abusing animals... IOW, if you abuse animals, you have no respect for life, and that often turns into no respect for human life...

So, I ask you, are you so confident that Vick has been redeemed magically by his time in jail that you'd be content if he bought the house next to yours??

but to compare him to a child rapist is silly..

Not if you truly understand the point being made-- it appears that you, like the rest of us, would want nothing to do with a child rapist in your neighborhood, even after he got out on parole... so clearly, there are SOME crimes that you would consider unforgivable (which is why the original poster chose such a heinous crime for his example)...

So, it you can't completely forgive the child molester, then it doesn't make sense that you're willing to completely forgive the animal abuser... IMO, they're similar sociopathic activities, the only difference is in the degree of the offense... both involve the torment of the defenseless for sick "fun"...

I consider all child molesters to be irredeemable, and I consider all animal abusers to be irredeemable... child molesters are worse, but both are bad...

No matter how long Michael Vick lives, he will never be able to achieve redemption for his sadistic, inexcusable behavior...

And no, I'm not saying he should be back in jail, as you have repeatedly noted he has done his time... but I don't want to hear "forgive and forget" for that piece of crap...

In conclusion, if you don't think that a man who killed dogs for fun and profit is "scum", what the hell DOES it take for you to call a man that?? I'll even go a step further than that, anybody who has even attended a dog fight is scum...

 

[Teren_Kanan]

I'm with fuzzy on this one, seriously.

Vick did something bad. He got throw in jail for a year and lost millions of dollars. I personally feel his debt is paid. Do I think he's a "Changed" person? No. Do I think he'll ever dog fight again? No.

The point Mansta does a bad job of getting across is the fact that Vick paid his debts. Do you have to like him? No. Mansta isn't saying people should like Vick, or even think that he's not a ******, nor is he defending what was done. He's just pointing out that wishing more punishment on him is kind of silly. That is all he's saying. Some will hate vick, some won't, either way he's paid his debt and no more punishment should be received for that crime.

Anyone who brought the rape/murder thing is grasping at straws. I applaud him for not really dignifying those posts with a response.

And again I'll agree with Fuzzy. People who drive drunk are WAY worse than Mike Vick will ever be, even if they don't HIT anyone. Putting the life of another human being at risk like that is infinitely worse than killing a dog cruelly. This is coming from someone who'd gladly risk his life to save any of his animals. I love my puppies, they are my family.


Now back on topic. At no point in his professional career has Mike Vick ever been a good Quarterback. I've simply never understood the hype. The only thing he had going for him was lost after his prison term.

Released, not released, I'm more interested in the Browns backup QB, and I don't even know who the **** that is.

 

[silverbear]

I just don't understand the want to hate on people you do not even know and are in no way effected by.

You don't understand why people who love their dogs might hate a man who would, if given the opportunity, steal that dog and let his pit bulls kill it??

My dog is just the right size for that kind of thing, she goes about 50 pounds... so when I read about Vick putting other, non-fighting dogs in with his pits for "training", I can close my eyes and imagine it being my dog...

Yeah, I hate Michael Vick, in the same way I hate anybody who takes part in fighting dogs... and I don't know them either, but I know they couldn't possibly have enough redeeming value for me to overlook their sadistic hobby...

Of course, you don't care about animals at all, you've freely admitted as much, so I wouldn't expect you to understand guys like me... and I most assuredly don't understand where you're coming from, to me it sounds like you're woefully lacking in humanity...

What's kind of funny about that is you have adopted this "morally superior to thou" pose in this forum, while it seems that your morals are actually somewhat deficient...

Either that, or you're just deliberately playing the contrarian, which I have often though when reading your posts...

 

[silverbear]

Not like that I haven't. Whateva man, I'm done.. You're entitled to your opinion but FACT is, Vick served his time for the crime he committed. If you or anyone else don't want to acknowledge that or feel that it was enough, thats on yall.. He did his time!!!!

It's not enough... all is not forgiven, and it never will be... when Vick dies, many years from now, you can bet that his obituary will include some reference to his criminal past...

 

[silverbear]

Not from all people will he carry a societal indignation, only some.

I think you'll find most people feel contempt for Ookie Mexico...

 

[silverbear]

Thank you!! You're a BOYZ fan, I still gots mad luv for you tho..

You're still my boy, too, Mansta... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

So says the guy named after a dog. I never said that I condoned it. Really my opinion is that I only care about the vigilantism of others not about what people do with their own possessions.

IOW, you have more of a problem with folks who hate dog fighters than you do with those who actually fight the dogs...

To which I can only respond as I did when you first expressed that asinine philosophy-- my dog is not a "possession", she's a living creature and a part of the family...

And yes, by definition, if you don't care what people do with their own dogs/possessions, then you ARE condoning dogfighting...

 

[silverbear]

I plant trees. I pay my dues.

Oh, that's different... never mind...

 

[Trendnet]

To which I can only respond as I did when you first expressed that asinine philosophy-- my dog is not a "possession", she's a living creature and a part of the family...

I wonder... if you your son bit your daughter, enough to draw blood, your son would be in a hell of a lot of trouble... grounded, spanking, no dinner, what have you.

but if your dog bit your daughter, enough to draw blood... you'd be quick to get rid of that part of your family.... no?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

THis would not shock me at ALL. Who pays 5M for a backup QB? I think the Eagles had been trying to rehab him and trade him at some point....especially if Kolb panned out. But Vicks stock just dropped through the floor...so why keep a piece that you will NEVER be able to trade and pay that piece 5M?

 

[THUMPER]

http://twitter.com/1livestew/status/18082278629

I have a really solid source that says MV7 will be released from the Eagles tomorrow! Oh boy, we shall see!

Maybe Vick will be throwing passes to Terrell Owens in the backyard this year.

 

[Solution]

@Silverbear

To say he is irredeemable is to declare a total lack of conceivable forgiveness for the man. If you are religious a person (I am not, but it is likely most posters are), than you knowingly contradict many religious fundamentals with such a few point. But as we are all decent human beings (we are cowboy fans, after all), I feel that the capacity to forgive is a function of our humanity, and fundamentally a moral endeavor (if not a necessity).

If someone where to murder a loved one of mine, I may never be able to forgive that person. In this sense I understand how you cannot forgive Vick for his transgressions. HOWEVER, despite your inability to forgive or my theoretical inability to forgive, we would be "inhuman" (as you call vick) to not at least recognize that the right thing to do is to forgive - despite our capacity to do it or not.

Abbreviated version: Forgiveness may be impossible for some individuals, but it is without question always the correct course of action. (If you intend to argue me on this, I'm afraid a brick wall might be more moralistically malleable.)

 

[dbair1967]

Gee...another day, another Mike Vick thread.

Not really sure why such a lowlife, washed up loser warrants so much day to day attention in CZ, but for the record:

1) Vick is garbage. He's always been garbage. He probably always will be garbage. He cant help himself. He hangs out with thugs, always has, probably always will. He's always in trouble, always has been, probably always will be.

2) Vick is not, never was and never will be a good QUARTERBACK.

3) He is about as insignificant as an NFL player can be today, and if the Eagles get smart and release him, he probably wont ever be heard from again in the NFL.

He's the epitome of a loser.

 

[Muhast]

Anyone who brought the rape/murder thing is grasping at straws.
People who drive drunk are WAY worse than Mike Vick will ever be, even if they don't HIT anyone..

You say Comparing it to rape and murder is grasping at straws and then try to compare drunk driving with it? Lol. Ok.